HP 8510p available!

Hi Jin,

Here are mine, using Speedfan 4.34 Beta 40 (I should upgrade to the latest beta!) and running in Power Saver mode, with winamp, utorrent, firefox, background apps open:

HDD 31c
GPU 50
Core 0 48
Core 1 47
Temp 1 40
Temp 3 39
Temp 4 17
Temp 5 20
Temp 6 0

The only names I changed were Temp 2 to GPU and HD0 to HDD. Rest are as is :\ Strange our names/numbers are so off haha.

PS: I determined my Temp 2 sensor was the GPU by gaming and watching it fly up to 80, whereas nothing else ever went past 60

Edit: Yeah Destiny...I really don't know about my temps haha. Unless something seems off I just kind of ignore them...with school keeping me so busy I never had time to install CPUID or Everest Ultimate to test out whether my Speedfan is accurate or not. I'm done for the semester in two weeks though. We'll see then!


Edit edit: hey Jin, or anyone else with Speedfan...can you go to the SMART tab and do an in depth analysis of your HDD? My Cycle Load Count is supposedly into the "WATCH OUT" range (90) but I dunno...it seems perfectly fine. I've read about people with HDDs that have poor cycle load counts at the end of their life, but my drive was new in September!

 

Here's my results:
Raw Read Error Rate: Very good
Throughput Performance: Normal
Spin Up Time: Good
Start/Stop Count: Very good
Reallocated Sector Count: Very good
Seek Error Rate: Very good
Seek Time Performance: Normal
Power On Hours Count: Very good
Spin Retry Count: Very good
Power Cycle Count: Very good
GSense Error Rate: Very good
Power Off Retract Count: Very good
Load Cycle Count: Very good
Reallocated Event Count: Very good
Current Pending Sector: Very good
Offline Uncorrectable Sector Count: Very good
Ultra DMA CRC Error Rate: Very good
Load Retry Count: Very good

All of the attributes of your hard disk have normal values. This is good.

The overall fitness for this drive is 90%.
The overall performance for this drive is 90%.

Here's my new temp before and after (system wasn't completely at idle, utorrent, firefox, and HWMonitor were up) I was so happy with the results of cleaning everything out I made a thread on it. Now my fan isn't a pain either. It's on it's lowest setting instead of med to med-high:

Before: 53 - 58 - 58 - 49 - 28 - 60 -65 - 62 - 59 - 59 - 41 - 34
After: 44 - 46 - 46 - 36 - 25 - 47 - 50 - 49 - 47 - 47 - 30 - 34

Temperatures I'm most concerned about:

CPU Core 1 and 2 went from 59 to 47, roughly 20% drop
GPU Core went from 41 to 30, roughly 27% drop

 

And that is how it should be
Read this thread http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=124420
for using RM Clock. It is really good thing.
When gaming I am running high performance on 1.00V instead default processor value of 1.275 or sthing close to it and the difference is increadible.
When in power saver mode, doing some office etc my CPU never goes above 52C, it usually sits around 46-48C

Funny is that my GPU never goes above 42C even when heavy loaded/gaming while o/c. I am not concerned yet it is just your temps seem to high for me?

So do you still want me to take some pics and write up the guide how to open the laptop to clean the fan and the radiator??

 

Nah. I actually wrote one up myself on cleaning out everything (it's under possible fix). Really happy with the changes. I couldn't believe how much dust was in there. It was 2ish millimeters thick and it looked like it was charred on one side.

 

Hello, guys.
Regarding the harddrive. I already had mine replaced (after 2 months), because it started producing really weird sounds. Even the new drive was parking far too frequently to be normal.
To resolve the problem, i used hdparm application ported to Windows with these parameters:
hdparm -B 253 /dev/hda
It tells the drive not to be using aggresive methods for saving power (aka. parking heads after 5 s of idling - this is not OS dependant!!!).
The only downside is, that after everytime you power off hard drive (shut-down, sleep, hibernation,...), the default settings are loaded again...
I simply created new task (in Vista), which is triggered on every user logon.

Regarding temperatures... Mine are weird. Speedfan shows 8 temperatures (9 with HD0), for which I have no idea what they mean. Core temperatures are around 40 °C (RMClock or Hardware monitor shows the Core temperatures of 56 at the same time...), one temperature likes to climb to and over 80 °C, Hardware monitor's GPU temperature stays cool at about 30-40°C, which can't be true... I have no idea what is going on.
If I start Vista in power saving mode, the fan stays at low power for about an hour of normal work. But when the temperatures rise, they never go down again. In balanced power mode, the fan is working at mid revs all the time.
BIOS is F.0F (i had to reinstall Vista after updating BIOS, 'cause Vista BSODed with message BIOS is not fully ACPI compliant...).
Next mission is to follow Ackeron procedure and clean the dust out.

edit: forgot to mention the specs:
C2D T7500, 2 GB RAM, HD2600 256MB, 120 GB Seagate Momentus 7200
Vista Pro - 32bit

 

Hmm...aggressive HDD power saving might be what's causing my cycle load count to drop so quickly. Someone told me that it's a measure of wear/tear on your drive, so if thats true and my HDD is always parking it might make sense.

Then again I never hear a thing from my HDD--and I had a bad Samsung drive that parked heads every 8 seconds so I know what to listen for :\

As to the temps, do you have the latest Speedfan beta? The release version displays incorrect information.

As to the differences between programs...well, I dunno. I personally don't believe the GPU can stay at 40-50c even under load, considering how hot the air coming out of my fan can get. I tend to side with Speedfan's 80c load assessment, which makes much more sense to me.

Temp 2 is the GPU on my Speedfan. Regarding the other ones, they should all be similar when using the latest Speedfan. Jin and I have some weird ones that are off but frankly I don't know what any of those are haha. I just stick to HDD CPU GPU :\ (I've also got 9 temps though)

Regarding the fan + the temps not going down, that's very odd. I experienced that very same problem at release, but never after bios F.0C. Fan in power saver is pretty quiet, and not much louder in balaced mode, although it does go up a notch or two. Perhaps try F.0C? I'm still using it, haha.

 

NeoTO: Here's a link to my little guide about cleaning everything out: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=237806

How old is your laptop?




I didn't know power saving negatively affected HDDs. I would think the opposite. Then again, I don't really use any kind of power saving feature (i.e. I don't undervolt, etc.)

 

OK... I didn't really think it is possible what jin07 described... But after RMClock alerted me yesterday saying CPU code overheat detected (100 °C!!!!), I opened my laptop immediately. There was (as is jin07's case) mm or two of dust (it looked just like a filter). The difference is obvious now... The fan doesn't come on while in power saving mode, in balanced mode the fan is heard but is much much quieter than before. 8510p rocks again

The laptop is 4.5 months old. I'm wondering when the first people will start returning they 8510ps after they cook themselves to boiling point...

I have Seagate ST9120823AS harddrive, for which even Mac users were telling it produces weird sounds like marble bouncing of a hard surface (something to do with the heads parking). I can upload the sound I recorded before I used hdparm to set AAM settings on the drive. If the drive is parking heads every 5s, it parks heads 720x in an hour, so 500k is reached in 700 working hours (3 months of idling). I rather see, my battery lasts 5 minutes less and my hard drive doesn't park the heads at all while in normal operation.

I installed Speedfan beta and it is showing the right temperatures now. Thanks! I read on one of the forums, that Temp5 is in reality fan speed, but is wrongly interpreted as temperature. It may be right, because the fan speed really changes as this temperature changes. It may be also a temperature, which is used to drive the fan...

 

I have a infrared gun avaiable at my lab. When I will get a minute I will try to take the keyboard off and check the GPU with infrared gun to see if it does get hot or not and if my temps are really off. Personally I dont believe it get as hot as in Aceron's notebook. Myabe its just badly applied paste??

 

I hope so...that would be great One of the reasons I wanted the HD 2600 was the high overclockability potential. I may not OC now but in the future I might have to to play newer games... and with my GPU getting that hot already its kinda blah I guess my thinking is ...most 8600m GT GDDR3's run in the 70s and above under load, and the Asus G1s 8600 runs at like 90-100, so I dunno.

 

It's kind of odd that your GPU runs so hot while nothing else does. Even with dust in my laptop, I didn't get ideal GPU temps of 50. Was it always like this? I gather you aren't OCed when you mention your worries about OCing in the future. Eh...have you checked for dust anyway. I don't think that's the problem, but I remember your temps were much lower than everyone elses. Maybe badly applied thermal paste?

 

No idea I'm in the middle of finals to no time to do any laptop surgery atm but I'll be checking the dust situation out after. Not OC'd no. And I dunno...I mean, my cores hit 60 when gaming, so I know they're pretty normal. HDD seems much lower than everyone else's but who knows. It's just the GPU ya. Installing another temp monitor will likely narrow things down...We'll find out soon enough :O

 

How come your cores are only 60 when gaming?? What type of games? My go well above 70, or close to 90 when not undervolted :/

 

Just one more question.. Is warranty void if the keyboard and the fan are removed for purpose of removing dust? In my situation, screws are not secured or blocked in any way.

 

Don't think so considering they were the ones who told me how to open up everything to clean my laptop out.

 

My cores are around 50's right now on power saver mode, light internet and other stuff. Cores go up in the 90's when 3d rendering while on high performance.

 

Cores into the 90s is way not normal IMO...they shouldn't go past 70c ever. SO PERHAAAAAAAAAPS the other programs are getting the cores/GPU mixed up, and only Speedfan correctly shows the GPU and CPU temps...

HA HA that would be funny. I'll test next week after finals

 

Speedfan shows the cores usually around 15C lower than everest, hwmonitor. eg showing 40c on cores right now, although the others show 55

 

Are you using the latest 4.34 beta 40 or later? That was a bug they fixed. Core temps are now displayed correctly.

 

Alright I'm done school...now to play with my 8510p!

Um have any of you have success with installing SP1 from Windows Update? I can't get it to show up no matter what I do...I've tried installing all the available ones, recommended optional or otherwise to get SP1 to show up after, but no luck. I tried rebooting and spamming check for updates. I don't THINK we have any drivers that conflict with the update, do we?

Anyway as a last resort I'm just downloading the standalone...but man 500mb DL sucks

 

Might want to check out the Vista SP1 thread. I haven't heard of any problems installing it directly related to having an 8510p.

 

Yeah I scoured it for help/info...Saw someone with an 8710p who was having trouble installing, but he could at least see the update! Oh well, guess I'll do the standalone since it's done dling now.

 

I couldnt see it on Win Update as well. I guess it is not avaiable like that as it is a big one ~500Mb.

 

Well I'm installing it right now as I setup my new LCD so we'll see what happens :O

 

Update: I had to cancel it because of all the reports that under certain circumstances SP1 breaks VPN connectability.

Not quite sure what I'm going to do at this point. I'll install some monitoring software to finally settle the temp questions now though ha ha

 

You could always switch back to XP.....

 

Yeah...been thinking about it now that I'm done school. Only downside is I can't find my old XP Pro CD

 

Why not ask HP to send you one? It will only cost $5.

 

Lol I live in UK and called UK support asking for downgrade to XP Pro. Guess what A week later 3 disk arrive, with drivers, XP Pro SP2 and something called Multiple user Interface Pack fro XP Pro SP2? dont know what this last one is but I havent paid a penny for all this

 

Just upgraded to SP1...no problems, no VPN issues, no crashing. BUT incredulously Vista is now using 100mb MORE ram. Before it was barely acceptable, but now I've had it. Almost half my two gigs just for the OS with none of my own programs running? Terrible.

Going to call HP today or tomorrow and get an XP CD. Sorry Vista, you blew it.

edit: OOPS oh yeah I forgot that SP1 undoes all the tweaks and stuff ....BLAH so annoying. Still going to phone and get XP.

 

Finally loaded up other temp monitoring programs too btw.

Aaand surprise surprise, just like you guys they show the same temps as speedfan for CPU/HDD, but GPU is way way off.

Speedfan says my GPU is 45c right now (power saver), but HWmonitor says it's 16c.

Interestingly enough HWmonitor shows a temp sensor with a value of 45c, but it doesn't know what it is. So who's right? I dunno!

 

That is a huge variance in temp. At this point I think those programs are just messing with you. If you need any help installing XP Pro feel free to ask. The only thing to remember is to only get the video driver and possibly the .NET framework when you install the video drivers. Well that is if you install them from HP. The ATI HDMI audio causes conflicts. Trust me, you do NOT want to do multiple clean installs because of this.

 

Haha...yeah. Thanks Jin, I'll be sure to bug you whenever I get the CDs.

I actually blew an hour and re-tweaked Vista and it's even better than before in terms of resource usage. But I have yet to really test any of the SP1 specific fixes. Start up and shut down time do seem faster though. Also updated my GPU drivers.

As an aside there's a new 8510p BIOS update but it doesn't seem to do much:

- Fixes an issue where an attached external
display is blank when a specific security
software package is installed.

 

Golf clap for the amazingly useful BIOS update. Then again I don't think there are any big problems with the 8510p right now.

Random thought: I need a new mouse. My old logitech (about 5-6 years old) doesn't feel that comfortable for extended use. I wish the Nano felt good, but I palm my mouse making the Nano feel bad. I was thinking about the VX Rev or the Microsoft 7000. Do you have any preference Ackeron?

 

We might as well switch to IM considering how many of our posts are directed to one another haha.

Anyway I may not be the best person to ask about mice, as I currently use


(Mine's blue of course). Although I've actually been keeping an eye on sales too, in case a really good deal comes out. I'll probably be buying Logitech though.

Anyway most of my friends use Logitech MX1000, G5 or MX518. They all love their respective mice, although there seems to be quite the debate re: G5 vs MX518 and which is better. I don't know much about the VX Rev myself...looks like it could be good, but out of my budget

 

deathadder mouse is the best i've ever owned.

 

Yeah I was thinking about Razer mice, but I think I'm going to get a wireless mouse and I don't really game.

Um. Just to throw in a little 8510p related stuff, the new BIOS update installed successfully. I'll test out how XP SP3 works on my 8510p once it comes out.

 

I am using this one:
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/168&cl=gb,en

Its a MX610, but in a right handed version. Dunno why they dont have it on their website any more. I love it, anyway. Very accurate, responsive and battery time is excellent! A bit big if you are looking for a 'laptop' style mouse but definatelly worth buying.

 

I'm not really looking for a laptop mouse per se, just a really comfortable one. The logitech MX 500 I have now doesn't seem to cut it for long use. I don't like having my index fingers on top with my pinky on the side. I'd rather have it slope down so that my first two index fingers are on the mouse buttons and my ring finger and pinky are off to the side. I'm going to go to best buy tomorrow and try some out.

 

Vista is not XP. RAM usage is not a problem, thats how Vista runs - it preloads stuff into your RAM instead of having to read it off the disk. When one of your programs needs RAM, it dumps the preload. If you are running zero programs, then what is the problem of Vista using the RAM? Whats the point of having 2gb of RAM if you arent going to use it? Its doing what its supposed to be doing

 

If you read my edit you'd see I didn't realize all my tweaks had been undone by SP1, so the system a) seemed much slower and b) was using quite a bit more RAM.

I fully realize Vista is not XP, but I'm sure you can appreciate my frustration when SP1 initially seemed very blah for my system performance. Post-tweaking however, everything is back to normal.

(As an aside, if you searched for all my posts you'd see I'm an advocate of Vista in the Windows subforum )

 

What guide did you use for tweaking Vista up???

 

I googled Vista tweaks and read the first page of results, using those I thought were good/safe. I also used the NBR Vista guide:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=166532

 

A question to 8510p owners: are the speakers symmetrically located?

Here is the reason why I am asking.

A friend of mine got a HP 6910p. We were quite disappointed to see that although the "speaker grill" covers symmetrically the entire front edge of the laptop, the left speaker is actually near the middle of the front edge and not at the left end as expected. The right speaker is located at the right end as expected. As a result, when using the 6910p, the perceived location of the source of the sound is not at the center of the laptop, but somewhere on the right side of it.

I think the location of the hard disk in the front left corner prevented HP from putting the left speaker at the left end of the front edge. See this bottom view of a 6910p as published in Andrew's review.
On a side note, I find it quite annoying that HP put a symmetrical speaker grill to induce the customers to think that the speakers are symmetrically located, while they actually are not.

Now, in lungboy's review of the 8510p I found this bottom view of the 8510p and I saw that the hard disk is located in the front right corner. Does this imply that the right speaker of the 8510p is not located at the right end of the front edge, and that an asymmetry analogous to the one in the 6910p arises?

I hope my question was understandable. Thank you for your feedback!

 

I'm not sure if the speakers themselves are symmetrical. The speaker grill is symmetrical, but I can't see the speakers behind it. Plus, I rarely use them, I usually use earphones or my 5.1 set. If this is some major concercn for you, then I'll find out where they are.

 

Just confirmed that the 8510p has the same speaker setup as the 6910p, but reversed. Played some music and swapped back and forth between each channel to test. Left speaker is at the extreme side of the big grill, right speaker is more towards the lid latch.

This concurs with the description you pointed out about the HDD, as the 8510p's is on the right side so the right speaker has been moved over.

Personally, I never use the built in speakers but I could see how that might be a pain if you use them full-time.


Switching back to my previous topic, just tested file transfers with SP1 and maaan they were so slow at first. Started off at like 30mb/sec and dropped down to 5mb a few times. I started freaking out but then suddenly they went from 30mb to 20 to 60 to 30...hah. Beats my previous 15mb/sec pre-SP1. Gogo Vista!

 

Sticking with Vista I'm guessing?

 

Still going to call HP and get my XP CDs. I've always wanted to revert to XP just to see "how fast" this thing is compared to my old laptop. Eliminate the variables as it were

 

It's also a pretty good time to get a fresh copy of XP since SP3 is coming out. I'll probably reinstall XP myself once I get SP3. I basically have my list of programs set. I've also heard it's a good idea to reinstall every so often. I bet I could reduce loading times if I reinstalled (right now about 40ish). Then again I'm also lazy, so I might just install SP3 like I normally would, still unsure.

 

Ackeron, how do you test your transfer speeds?

I need to finish the Witcher and fresh copies of XP and Vista will be a matter of hours