HP Envy 15? i7 meets 4830+15" screen!

Oh right. I got carried away and forgot that the DDR3 vs. GDDR3 discussion was for the GPU RAM. But thanks for answering my question anyway.

And yeah, it says the 6GB are in 3 slots, so it is 3 x 2GB with 1 free slot.

 

its the Mghz that affects system memory performance. although i dont think that makes much difference at all. maybe not even noticable. but i read somewhere the 15 will use 1333Mghz

actually it said in the data sheet 3 x 2gb

 

yeah it sucks that i7 doesnt have an igp solution.

 

Oh, I read you very well, and I saw exactly what you said, here:

and here:

Which are information you have no way of knowing without detailed specifications, if not patently false.

I'm a grad student in computer architecture, and I have read plenty of white papers in these areas. And some of the things that you have posted are completely baseless and simply do not stem from reality.

 

And then I said we shall see (benchmarks, real-world test, etc)

The card itself may not be up to 50% slower, just the memory. Using a 128 bit bus it is going to need better memory than DDR, and GDDR3 memory would fit the bill (it's the least they could throw in there, really), therefore crippling the card at the bus.

The new-ish GTS 260m would have been a much better choice, IMO. GDDR5 on a 128 bit bus should perform near GDDR3 on 256.

I will not debate this with you. If DDR3 worked as well as the better, more expensive GDDR3 more companies would be using it

 

come on fella's cant we all just get along

 

Not until this thing comes out... until then we are all doomed to bicker with each other over how little we know about it.

 

GDDR3 is better in certain cases, if the specific implementation bears out; it does have advantages in certain situations, and can sometimes provide better bandwidth due to switch modes and better implementation of row buffer etc; I would be the first to say that. But most importantly, it is more widely adopted because it was on the market much earlier, and had much larger market inertia. It wasn't until recently (2nd gen DX10 gpus) that DDR3 became compatible to wide segments of GPUs in the market, and became widely used in implementation for VRAM.

I see that you don't have facts on your side, and are therefore refusing to discuss further.

Whether GTS 260m would be a better choice would be entirely debatable, since you are trading compute throughput (264 GFLOPS in the GTS 260m, vs 786 GFLOPS in 4830) for bandwith (which would be slightly less than twice that of 4830 in terms of mean of probability distribution, give or take a few 100 MHz of deviation).

 

And I urge that everyone to wait util the exact specifications are known, before judging what the actual memory bandwidth would be, and certainly what the actual performance would be. It's after all to be out in a few days' time.

As here, sleey is still keeping on his rant of non-sense, still to this moment claiming that DDR3 on the 4830 would be 50% less bandwidth than a GDDR3 implementation, something he simply has no way of knowing, without the actual specifications. He is simply pulling hot air out of his behind, no doubt about it. He's said it not once, or twice, but keeps on giving misinformation even though he's well aware that it's baseless; there is a simpler word for what he's saying, that is "lying through his teeth".

Edit:
I don't really care about what people think about the Envy 15 or the Radeon 4830, it's just another laptop or GPU after all. But I'm not in the habit of standing by, while someone deliberately trying to misinform people in this forum trying to make an educated decision on what they would purchase.

 

Well it's only 6 more days before we can actually start to configure/order the thing. Of course I know I'll be waiting on some actual reviews before I pull the trigger.

 

i was hoping a review would come out before then so i wouldnt have to wait but i guess no such luck

 

Then you will wait for another month or so?

 

Any news on the screen resolution?

 

Seems to be full HD 16:9 -> 1920 * 1080.

 

That's nice. Can't wait to read some reviews. If this is any good and not a time bomb then I will buy for sure.

 

i just had a suspicion... if the fans for the cpu and vga are on the bottom which they normally are... won't the battery slice "block" the incoming air?

 

According to the pictures the air vents are on the sides, not on the bottom. Although I'm very concerned about the heat problem, since I like to leave mine running for days. Other than that it is a perfect laptop for me, it has exactly everything what I need.

 

Available 10/18 right?

Usually there is a review floating around somewhere this close to launch. Oh well, guess we will have to wait

 

Pretty much along the same line of thinking as sleey0

 

I just read this whole thread.

I'll be keeping an eye out for this laptop.

 

Have you seen this? This black model looks awesome
http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/beats/envy_15.html

 

Yeah, it was posted earlier. Looks pretty sweet but the shiny plastic just doesnt do it for me. I would rather see the Envy 15 in a black aluminum personally

 

Yeah, I agree. Didn't like the shiny plastic too but its pretty cool in black anyway.

 

I am curious to see what HP is going to offer for the laser etching on the Envy 15? They had that flower design on the demo laptops that we have seen earlier but that didnt look the greatest to me. If HP has one that I like, I wont have a problem getting it on the laptop. If not, I will just have them leave it plain and then have it laser etched myself!

 

god this thing looks good in black

 

I am diggin the black as well, just not the gloss.

 

satin black aluminum please

 

*drool*

 

Do you leave it on all night while stressing the CPU or GPU? If it's mostly idle, then temps won't be very high due to the low idle power consumption.

 

i recomend a cooling pad for home use anyway.

 

I would usually leave it to download something thru the night, nothing so much like stressing. Although, occasionally I could leave it decrypting some stuff. I've been reading this forum for quite a while and I saw few times people complaining about their laptops gettin fried (never thought this could happen before). It would be quite active during the day however, I do some surfing, some programming, HD video watching, some gaming, little bit of everything. So it's just this thing that I'm concerned about this laptop - can it go heavy duty, or is it just a shiny fancy toy for businessman.

 

If you get a 8400M or 8600M you will believe hahahahaha

But seriously a laptop cannot burn itself by heat. It throttles if it is under too much heat, and lowers consumption, could BSOD, or simply warn you, but it wont burst into flames.

 

how about the rumours about mac book that even when idle the places where you rest your palms while typing reach over 40 degrees celcius? I suppose i7 would be way hotter than... Unless (holding fingers crossed) the've come up with some really good cooling (as good as it can be in such a small space).

 

my motherboard melted on me but that was because the AC went out and the ambiant temp got up to 114 degrees fareheit. its my fault because i didnt have a cooling fan and i had left it running. but it is amazing how the ambiant temp will affect it. 20 degrees ambiant temp raise will cause the notebook temp to raise alot atleast that much or more because cooling efficency decreases.

 

Do you think that it is worthwhile to buy a new laptop with "top-of-the-line" hardware, when with the release of Windows7, that hardware's lifespan will be reduced?

Here is what i mean... DirectX11 will be released along with Windows7. Currently, the most advanced GPUs that are *available* for a mobile platform do not support DirectX 11. (Nvidia = 10, ATI = 10.1) The Nvidia 300m and ATI Mobility 5000 series will surely support DirectX 11. Additionally, ATI will be releasing the Mobility 5000 series early 1st Quarter of 2010. There is no word of when Nvidia will be releasing the 300 series, let alone its mobile equivalent. (if it is even going to be based on the 300 architecture, like the current 200 series is not)

I understand that it will take a while for DX11 to truly take off, probably 1.5 - 2 years even. But when that does happen, DX10 hardware will definitely start to show its age. Since I plan on owning whichever laptop i purchase for at least the next 4 years, I was thinking that waiting a season for a DirectX11 compatible GPU to become available might be the right call.

FYI, DirectX 11 will add the following new pieces of functionality:
GPGPU Support
Tesselation
Improved Multithreading
Compute Shaders

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

 

DX10.1 is not even fully implemented on all games, a DX11 is far from being standard, but for 4 years, perhaps...no idea what comes in the future (DX12? ATI 7000HD? GT500? hahaha)

 

I expect GPGPU functionality to take off quickly because it seems to be all the rage nowadays in graphics technology...

 

i think most devs will skip 10.1 are there any other 15" laptop with equal or better gpu's than the envy15? besides AW ofcourse.

 

Clevo, but IMO, those rigs are fugly, and have such short battery life that they just wont work for me.

 

meh the new m15x only comes with a 240 to start with.

 

but you can upgrade it to a 260m. But that thing is H00J, and doesnt have an HDMI out. No HDMI was a total dealbreaker for me.

 

the things over priced for what you get. I loved the new m17x, and I loved the fact that is was more inline with the pricing of similar laptop. But the new m15x is ridiculous.

 

Well the m15x is clearly much less portable considering it's dimensions and weight plus the short battery life the first users who got it are reporting over on the aw section. I was actually hoping to get it at first and liked it's unique look, but the weight, size, and battery life are what've tipped me over to the envy.

 

exact same situation here, the battery life and size is what really killed it for me.

 

I'm thinking about envy not just because battery life, but because to my knowledge it's one of the two available i7 laptops which have 2 HDD bays - and that's a must for me. The alternative so far is only one - 17'' Clevo/Sager. I only hope the cooling of envy is ok and it won't fry the hands while typing.

 

Maybe there will be (or already is) an ASUS refresh that will feature an i7 and have the two HDD bays (like the G51VX-A1). Unfortunately I doubt you'd get the same level of battery life - that slice idea on the Envy is a pretty smooth move.

 

yeah the slice is brilliant on hp's part. I'm still hoping for certain options for this beast. If I get them I'm sold.

 

New ASUS G51J looks quite good, except one big disappointment - RAM expansion up to 4GB SDRAM? Are they kidding?

 

battery life isnt a big deal for me but portability is. im just really hopeing they offer an upgrade to the 4860.

 

asus keeps doing that and it pisses me off.