*HP Envy 15 Owners Lounge! PART 1*

Yeah the envy just received a refresh. Also the coupon that people used has expired on the 16th. =(

 

Where did you get the idea that T510 has an IPS display? The T510 with discrete graphics allows for the selection of a 1080P (FHD) screen, but it appears to be a standard LED-backlit wide gamut TN display. The only place you'll find IPS is on a few 12-inch tablet models. (Unfortunately....)

 

I could have sworn it was IPS.

 

How I wish that were true. I'd order a T510 immediately -- in spite of my pending Envy order -- if it were true.

 

You've got to realize HP is a Chinese company. If you don't read, write, or speak Chinese it will be hard to get the details. Unfortunately, that seems to apply to their service reps as well, who have been given most of the general details but not all of the small very technical details. I'm sure it's the same situation for Dell in China.

 

I was under the impression that HP was an American company? ;;

 

"hello i give you $150 fo you mbp right now yes or no." lol thats a classic. are you gunna be using the envy in class? lol

 

Haha, hell no. I go to USC school of pharmacy and we have theater type seating. No way would any laptop above 10" be comfortable.

And besides, I do pay attention in class, so having a laptop makes that impossible haha. xD

 

yeah ill always take my laptop to class when i need a break hehehe

 

Haha, I'm really anal about keeping my laptops pristine. Don't think I'll be able to do that with the cramped areas and no protection. =P

Not that I don't want to bring it to class ^^;;

 

thats the plan with the envy. Nothing bothers me more than a shiny touch pad.]

now if only it would ship...

 

Just took a look at the other options from Asus. They either have awesome specs and low resolution screens, or they're perfect but no USB 3.0 T.T;;

Edit: Or missing a LOT of ports... Esata for one... =P

Envy is the best choice! haha...

 

Please don't take this the wrong way but what are you talking about?

HP is the largest IT company in the world, # 9 on fortune 500 US, #32 on fortune 500 globally, gross revenue of 114B in 09 with 300,000+ employees and operations in 170 countries. PC's are part of the personal systems group (PSG) which includes basically everything on hp.com site both business and personal and all of that is less than 30% of their revenue and has one of the lowest profit margins.

They are a US founded (1930's) US based and US managed company. Just because they have partnerships and investments in chinese subcontractors who assemble products for the PSG (computers) it does not make them a 'Chinese company'. All HP's designs, drawings and specs are fully translatable to and from any lanuage so they are transportable to any factory or vendor worldwide for accurate assembly and / or manufacturing.

Sorry for spewing. Being an HP stockholder I get all those facts and more in each quarterly report. If you want to learn more about who your buying from just check out the 'about us' links....

That being said I am just as frustrated as everyone with how poorly the information flow has been with regards to the Envy line. But it definately has nothing to do with, as you stated: "HP is a Chinese company. If you don't read, write, or speak Chinese it will be hard to get the details."

 

So what if HP is the largest IT company in the world ? So was GM. They went bankrupt. The inherent issue with HP's outsourcing model is that they are no longer relying on Tier 1 notebook manufacturers like Asus , Compal or Qandra ..instead , many of HP products are being made by Tier 2 or 3 China based companies..because of margins..HP has a tendency to go for the cheapest ...

In China, one either manufactures products UP to a Standard (Apple, Sony , Lenovo) , or DOWN to a price.

No wonder HP products are so unreliable


http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_laptop_reliability_1109.pdf

 

Okay which of these is further along?

"Item dropped to Factory"
or
"Item in production"

 

item in production

 

i bought a HP Bluetooth Laser Mobile Mouse - HDX Series for 49.99 lastnight with my coupon, and its FREE with the coupon including next day shipping... and unlike my Envy, it already shipped and is on the way to my office...

oh I wish my laptop came that quickly..

 

I can certainly understand everyone's frustration with delays. I also want my computer sooner than later. From my perspective the $50 coupon is a reasonable gesture.

Look around...how many i7 notebooks really compete with Envy? Very few options really. I will keep my eye out for options while I wait.

- Sony F series: i7 & Bluray, cheaper build, weaker graphics, and certainly no USB3, heavier
- Lenovo W510: i7, generic looking, but good build quality and easier to modify, high gamut screen option, relatively weak graphics card at moment. More expensive. heavier, took almost all i7 models off the internet with no update on status!
- Dell XPS16, expensive if configured as i7, major throttling issues
- Alienware & Asus: gamer focused, heavy, gaudy
- You can go lighter with better battery life as long as you don't mind a weak processor (Mac & Dell Adamo, etc.)
- You can go mainstream, but inexpensive & cheaply built, lesser graphics, i7 (look to HP's own quad series)
- We can wait for Dell and HP to refresh their business notebooks. Good build quality, but will be heavier and probably more expensive.

As far as I know HP & Dell are some of the few large American PC manufacturers left.

- Lenovo (Chinese Owned)
- Asus (Taiwanese Owned)
- Sony (Japanese Owned)

 

Looks like HP has made more spec changes to the Envy 15. The price is now back to $1299, but the base processor has been downgraded from the i5-520m to a i5-430M. The i7-620m is now gone as well.

Still no shipment delay notice on my order, still "Order in production (Estimated to ship on January 19, 2010)"

 

Interesting. It's crazy how many perturbations this system is going through.

 

Hello all,

Can someone tell us the typical dialogue with the customer rep to get the credit ?

from what i am reading after getting the delayed email, just called can say you are angry and needed it by certain date. Do we need to threaten them to cancel ( even tho i dont want to cancel )?

Or how can we get 100 dollars off versus the 50 dollar store credit? it appears some people get 100 off by trying to choose the change harddrive option. and the angry delayed people get 50 dollar credit.

Sorry but i want to call them with all my ammo for the best results.

 

Hi Everyone.

At the suggestion of a fellow forum member (thanks AnXioz), I will be running the 1) 3DMark06 2) 3DMark Vantage tonight and will be posting the results.

Didn't have a lot of time on it last night, should have some more time tonight.

 

Well, I was able to receive a 50 dollars off for the delay. simply just call them up and explaining to them that the coupon would be totally useless for me. the CSR has to speak with her manager, and eventually they are willing to offering me an additional 50 dollars for the entire order thus 1252.25 - 50 = 1202.25 shipped. they also told me that the 50 dollars coupon is still good until 1/31/2010, and advise me to use it before then.

overall it took me less than 20 mins for the entire conversation.

 

That is pretty good. I have spent a total of 3+ hours on the phone handling the return and re-order. Though I did call and speak to someone not outsourced and asked about the $500 coupon last week and they compared it to the EPP discount and credited me with the balance! All within 15 minutes! If it wasn't such a great machine, I would have taken my business elsewhere.

 

same with you.

waiting for the letter and ready to show my "anger"!

 

What's the number everyone's calling? Is it the 1 (800) 474-6836 number from the order page? I'm at a client's site so I don't have a lot of time to go around trying to find the right place to get annoyed that it was supposed to be built and shipped yesterday and I have no communication about it yet.

On a lighter note, the $100 Sony USB Blu-Ray drive I ordered arrived in New York two days ago (silly USPS just updating it today...) so I should have a Blu-Ray drive for whenever my Envy finally arrives...

 

you probably will get a shipment delay sometime later today, because I got my delay notice on the 19th when my shipdate was 18th

 

to upgrade to the i7-820qn is now $650 im pretty sure it was $550 when i upgraded

 

I guess they stepped down to the lower i5-430 with less Turbo.. I swear intel's processor naming convention is getting more confusing.. luckily Tom's Hardware's got us covered..

Tom's Hardware Arrandale Lineup

 

LOL @ the i7-620M & i7-620LM & i7-620UM really is that necessary? did they run out of numbers? oh intel....

 

that because they lower the price of the machine and the starting config is with a lower quality processor making the starting price cheaper.

 

ah yeah...good point its going to be weird knowing that everyone of these machines has different guts week to week. They're all highly personalized!

doh nevermind! forgot the warranty was in there...its only $100 more expensive, as to be expected...

 

I love how the 620M is an i7, and the 540M is an i5, but they're almost identical except for clock speed. I suppose the 620M has another meg of cache, but seriously...

 

I find it funny how the Core i7, Core i5 and Core i3 lines were supposed to be clear cut, High end, main stream, lower end(budget) and with all those models they've introduced in that Toms hardware table, it seems they are just blurring the lines too much, and its almost like a sneaky ploy to charge more for an i7 label when its actually an i5 or slower... weird..

 

1MB cache is quite a big difference.

 

That table almost looks like a joke

 

They should take the road that Lexus did and start a lower end company called Toyota. After that if they still have too many products, they can start a company called Scion. =P

 

Yes. But changing it from an i5 to an i7? The Q is the ONLY clue that it's a quad core. It's just silliness.

 

It's actually faster than i7 920xm. wPrime is multithreaded benchmark.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-620M-Notebook-Processor.23043.0.html

 

random question: does an external HD monitor look the same whether its hooked up to HDMI or vga? this is in reference to a cheap acer x213h monitor.

 

Envy 15 has no vga port.

 

I know but my gateway does. So i just want an idea if things will look better with the hdmi port vs my old laptop. my acer monitor has dvi/hdmi/vga inputs.

 

Is there ANY available coupons to use to order the HP Envy 15???

 

Intel's pricing makes sense for the most part, but HP's pricing is ridiculous. I'd gladly pay the $107 that Intel has between the i5-520M and the i7-620M, but not much more. If I knew that the envy Arrandale builds had switchable graphics, I think the i7-620LM would be the best choice for me.

The price gap (both Intel and HP) that makes the least sense to me is the i5-520M to i5-540M. No offense to those that chose the 540. I just don't think that minor upgrade is worth the price they list for my needs.

 

btw,

Should I do this
410GB 5400RPM SATA Dual Hard Drive (SSD 160GB + 250GB 5400RPM)
or
320GB 7200 RPM then buy a 160gb SSD and stick it in there?

 

i7 720QM > 17 820QM

Is it really worth the $400 upgrade? Jeesh... Thought it was like $300 last night.

What's up with HP and their ever changing prices???

tsk tsk tsk

 

The 320GB drive is a 2.5" drive. I believe you can only install 2 1.8" drives, not 2 2.5" drives. So, if you go with the 320GB, you would need the 1.8" bracket and 2 brand new drives if you want to have 2 drives installed.

Or, just upgrade to a 2.5" internal SSD and use the 320GB drive as an external drive.

 

So there is no way I can
ssd+7200 RPM HD of any kind?

Because I don't want the 5400 rpm HD, i"ve had it before on my mbp (i hate apple now), and it was HELLA slow.

Heck, even when I had my MBP, 99% of the time I was booting up in bootcamp windows xp sp3

 

Good luck finding an "open market" 160gb SSD for a comparable price. Newegg still has them for around $475. Heck, for that price you might as well just go for the dual SSD option.

I got the dual SSD option for the 550 upgrade and it seems to be a good bargain. I'm getting ~480mbs transfer speed with all my programs installed which is pretty sick . Even though they are Gen 1 drives, they are RAIDed so trim doesn't matter anyway.

 

Awesome! This will be the first HD5830 results published online
Finally something interesting to come out of this thread