*HP HDX DRAGON Owners Lounge, Part 1*

Thanks for trying it out! At least it's not just me. It does make be feel uncomfortable knowing that when on battery, we cannot get the most out of the Dragon.

Maybe 2.0 has some insight (ok, Probably is more like it!)

I'll keep looking at it. I even run RMClock which is supposed to control things better than the OS, and it behaves in a similar fashion.

Could it be a BIOS issue???

 

CPU-Z does not affect the fan controller or else.
The programs are known to me only to HW Monitor and 3DMark06.
The latter change several energy settings of the active profile.

 

dv7t was not trying to control the fans. She was helping out to determine if she could get the Dragon to operate at Maximum speed when on battery. We found when on AC (plugged in) it was fine, but when on battery, the clock speed is always low (1.2 - 1.6Ghz or even less, depending on your CPU).

I think she just mentioned she runs HWMonitor, etc...She was using CPU-Z to read her CPU speeds...

 

The best is having battery not possible anyway. For the GPU will also clocked up to 383 MHz

 

^ what he said

 

not sure...wouldn't think so(i should be specific and say that i don't think there is a difference between all our dragon bioses regarding this)...let me state again that I have F40E...and you lan?

 

I think I'm at F36.

 

so that rules out F40E and F36. i doubt that all the in betweens are different.

 

I agree. I got the measurements from Western Digital for the 750GB and 1TB drivers, converted to inches. If my measuring tape is correct, the drives will fit with just under 1/4" to spare.

As for the cooling, I have never heard of a HDD overheating in a laptop. I'm not saying that it's not possible, but it's not on the list of highly probable.

 

well one thing i think should have occurred is for the hdd covers to have vents. seriously, would there be any harm to it? i have seen this on other hp computers of lesser caliber and above. seems to just be a random design thing. having a vented hdd cover would have been cool (no pun intended).

that being said, the dragons temps probably will not reach it but still...point stands.

 

I had understood this very carefully. Just wanted to EDIT: RickiBerlin "indicates CPU-Z does not affect the fan controller or else."

because Quote: DV7 "to make sure that cpu-z was not somehow affecting things, as when i start hardware monitor when the fans are already medium / high and it switches to low for some reason the instant I start it ..... i shut down cpu-z, but i was still not able to playback the 1080p vid without it freezing, when on battery, and it plays perfectly when plugged in. .. not one hitch. "

Amazing that you, the Max CPU under Batteries only just noticed.
When T8300 AC max x12 = approximately 2, 4 GHz (x13 or approximately 2, 6 GHz Intel Dynamic Acceleration for Core 0x1)

and under Baterie max x 8 = about 1, 6 GHz

Like I said, the Max GPU performance Baterie mode is also reduced.
This can not even deal with the elimination of Powermizer.

AC without overclocking GPU Max = 500/799/1250
Battery GPU Max = 383/301/766

 

i would understand if the cpu and/or gpu were reduced on battery, but not if i choose to select high performance mode and make sure that the processor is set to same as on a/c power. this does not compute. LOL

i can get my other laptops (new and old) to run on full cpu speed on battery if i set it to the right scheme.

i would think that the venerable dragon could at least do the same as the cheapos i have and everything in between.

 

I have wondered about that. I mean, I have seen that on a lot of other HP models, but none of my previous 17" models (DV7-1240US & DV9620US) had vents on their HDD covers. Maybe it's something that they don't do for the larger models. Now I am curious lol. Next time I go into a store, I am gonna be lifting up HP models trying to look for vented HDD covers. The store security will think I am looking for security devices to disable lol

 

If you feel adventurous you could get out the Dremel and make some vents.

 

LOL True. But I am not THAT adventurous. Hell I am happy that i got the new wifi card in without blowing anything up lol

 

This computer also has weakened his own. For "ordinary consumer" is this great setting. otherwise the battery would be empty after 10min. for others it is a circumcision of the possibilities. so for me. just like PowerMizer.

they play the left post* from my time in full screen mode and in hd.
They are focusing on visual and clay. If possible, please do not blink or breathe!!!!
when there is only one swallow in reproducing, then they have just met PowerMizer

* http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5538386&postcount=8400

 

i think i understand most of what you are saying, but do not understand what your link is about.

i watched the rihanna music video in hd and it's no better than any other good hd. is there something i missed here or are you really trying to tell us you like rihanna a lot?? i am not a fan of her or her music,btw.

 

'm not a fan of rihanna. just wonder why in this forum not notice the disturbance by PowerMizer. (apart from Pinballmann)
Just thought I ask you once.
maybe I'm too fussy. when I have to run the system smoothly to 100%.
forget my previous post!

 

well i am just trying to understand the point of the video. it was not only in your last post, but a couple before that as well.

are you trying to recreate something by telling us to use the video as a test point?

if so, it runs great on my dragon, on a/c and on battery.

 

It is not a unique video.
It is very clean in tone and image.
The dragon should be able to play without any disturbance.
by PowerMizer however, incidents still occur.
they are not overwhelming. not a bright or dark image.
it's like a short swallow the kites.
If you notice something, then it is not on video.

The video is just one example. The error occurs in all areas of the GPU clock change. Most of the erratic beats down and then an immediate high.

But do it now quickly forget again!
Surely this topic here are already some annoyed. (by me), for example, 2.0

It is very easy complicated and 2.0 since it has its difficulties.
My translation does not make it that easy.

PS: AC or Battery regardless

 

That line must have translated completely wrong. It makes no sense. Unfortunately along with a few other words.

I believe I do know what you’re talking about and I have disabled PowerMizer completely. I set my own frequencies depending on what I am doing.

Look here for when it was brought up and what I did with the inputs from 2.0 & RickiBerlin:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=4830277&highlight=powermizer#post4830277

I am not sure if all noticed the hiccups when PowerMizer would jump the frequencies up and down but I did. This stopped that from happening (on battery and power) and also gave control back to me. I have looked for a while for a solution like this for the CPU to no avail.

 

I just read this interesting article on IE9 and thought I would share.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-fights-back-with-internet-explorer-9/?news=123

 

Yes, I know comptrekie and I'm proud of you.
But it is not for you, strange that it bothers anyone else in this forum?
Also has 2.0 Powermizer back on.
I've already got a second HDX and the first completely rebuilt.
The PowerMizer errors are not always the same.
ok, for you, me and Pinballmann no problem. (PM is off)
But why does it bother anyone else in this forum??
Germany was able to help many.
German have better eyes and ears?? sorry!
This hdx errors for me is the greatest.
through him I have a Elevated gpu voltage in idle work. And that bothers me still.

 

Those new 195.55 Nvidia drivers Hovercraftdriver posted the other day are the best drivers so far. Better than the DOX 185.55 I was using.

They're not beta, per se. They install just fine.

Games run great on them. COD4, COD4 MW2, Crysis, etc.

Will try Dragon's age and L4D2 sometime this weekend perhaps.

Also going to try the new Adobe Flash beta with GPU acceleration.

 

Yeah, I still have those issue with flash videos with powermizer on. I don't watch full screen vids often enough to worry about it. And supposedly the new flash with GPU acceleration will sort out those issues.

LOL @ German eyes and ears. Yes, they are best.

 

I've tried to get that whole thing sorted out before with HDX, TX2500 and DV5 on batt. I concluded that, that be the way it is. Both on Intel and AMD.

 

brief ....
it did not really do anything with the full-screen mode.
I wrote this only because you can give-rise to the errors.
Occur, however, he is doing at any time. There are many things to which one perceives him.
For example: choppy scrolling in web pages, media player dropouts during playback (with music visualization "), music and visual disorders in play etc. ..
it is not a flash problem.

Should I prefer to write in German? That would be easier for me!

 

Well, Rihanna is looking particularly yummy in that video. Thanks for that.

Yeah, GPU-z log is the same as last time, starting clocks on high and then a few seconds later dropping to medium clocks then low clocks, then jumping up to top clocks again about 30 seconds later.

And when I turn powermizer off, the issue is resolved.

I mentioned flash because I mostly watch flash videos (movie trailers, game trailers). That's where I notice the issue most. Haven't had any issues with media player or in games.

 

Glad to hear it. Between getting ready for a major bid proposal at work and readying house for Thanksgiving visitors, I really haven't had a chance to check them out too much.
And man, am I missing DA:O!! Played about 6-8 hours last weekend and fired it up for an hour after I installed those drivers. It's definitely the cRPG I've been Jones'n for sometime for.

 

World's first ever 3D Gaming Notebook revealed:
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/...ng-notebook-with-nvidia-3d-vision-technology/

(I can only run 3D Vision in anaglyph mode on the HDX (with the trick I explained some pages ago), but the above runs the full color thing with shutter glasses)

 

Unfortunately, they (195.55) do not run the 3D Vision stereo driver/service.

 

ricki, i think there are a few word translations only that are an issue. the one that keeps coming up is "swallow". that word just doesn't make sense.

i believe if i translated from german to english you would get the word "schlucken".

Ich bin mir sicher, dass Sie nicht bedeuten, zu sagen, "schlucken". das ist, was sagst du zu halten.

 

Then there is this comparison is not in English. This refers to a sudden drop in performance. Followed by an immediate "maximum performance".

in German "schlucken" or better "verschlucken"
in English "swallow" or better "????????????"

"Verschlucken" literally--> for example when drinking fluid getting into the esophagus.

but you can in German.

 

Thank you!
On the German side only under Beta.
've Installed 195.55 and so far everything chic.
BlueRay ok (via QuickPlay), temperatures are extremely low even under load.
At present, experiments with Powermizer "on"

T8100 PM "on" 186.81 - 500/799/1250 = 7901 3Dmark06
T8100 PM "off" 186.81 - 650/1040/1625 = 8666 3DMark06

T8300 PM "on" 186.81 - 500/799/1250 = 8129 3DMark06
T8300 PM "on" 195.55 - 500/799/1250 = 8208 3DMark06

T9300 PM "on" 186.81 - 500/799/1250 = 8309 3DMark06
T9300 PM "on" 195.55 - 500/799/1250 = 8325 3DMark06

T9300 PM "off" 186.81 - 650/1040/1625 = 9837 3DMark06
T9300 PM "off" 195.55 - 650/1040/1625 =? Tomorrow!

Until now, the driver looks good.

 

Cool, looks good. By the way, I guess display dimming has issues (including mine). So if folks like a dimmed display, might want to stay away. However, some report it works fine on their machine.

Also, I believe the English translation you are looking for is "choking".

 

Dimming works on mine.

LOL.

 

Actually, I think hiccups may be the appropriate word that he is trying to get to.

 

I have no mobile settings in the NVIDIA Control Panel.
However, Work under Vista.
Detailed explanations of the settings are found in the Nvidia Control Panel Help on "mobile" to.
Funny way there are also "Powermizer. This, however, could be turned off in XP the last time. (in a legal way)

The German word also means "hiccup"

 

cool, this news I had not previously read!!
So from her just now. Fun ---> http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5540065&postcount=8438

:wub: :laugh: :rolleyes2:

 

2, since you are on here, can you tell me and lancorp, about your findings on the battery and cpu ramping down issue as posted and as we know it at least to be a fact with our hdx's?

 

I did not mean to imply that a larger /thicker HDD would over heat, just that it could. Meaning that one should check the temps if a larger HDD is installed. If I seem a little overly sensitive to temps it could be due to my design work I used to do for industrial computers.

 

Couldn't figure it out. Started looking into last year with the TX2500. Then noticed it on the HDX. DV5 has the same issue. Seems everyone's got the issue with different notebooks. So it must be by design.

Funny thing is, when I first had the TX2500, before BIOS upgrade, it would run full speed on batt.

 

Give 186. 91 (Windows Update) a try! They also work with 3D Vision. One LV2Go user wrote on their forum:

WOW this one is realy fast:

i've tested CSS in high details, 1440x900, AA off and AF x2:
Dox 185.85 122fps
Nvidia mobile 186.81 116fps
Nvidia 186.91 130fps.

I don't have CSS so cannot confirm, but the driver works great for me.

 

Sorry for partial repetition!

EDIT:

On the German side only under Beta.
've Installed 195.55 and so far everything chic.
BlueRay ok (via QuickPlay), temperatures are extremely low even under load.
At present, experiments with Powermizer "on"

T8100 PM "on" 186.81 - 500/799/1250 == 7901 3Dmark06 3689/3495/1881
T8100 PM "off" 186.81 - 650/1040/1625 = 8666 3DMark06 4093/4070/1869

T8300 PM "on" 186.81 - 500/799/1250 = 8129 3DMark06 3662/3510/2128
T8300 PM "on" 195.55 - 500/799/1250 = 8208 3DMark06 3726/3495/2168

T9300 PM "on" 186.81 - 500/799/1250 = 8309 3DMark06 3751/3509/2249
T9300 PM "on" 195.55 - 500/799/1250 = 8325 3DMark06 3737/3504/2288

T9300 PM "off" 186.81 - 650/1040/1625 = 9837 3DMark06 4670/4394/2235
T9300 PM "off" 195.55 - 650/1040/1625 = 9878 3DMark06 4648/4411/2293 End test temp 57 C (no-up in test ") fan speed 3
T9300 PM "on" 195.55 - 650/1040/1625 = 9892 3DMark06 4659/4421/2289 End test temp 58 C (no-up in test ") fan speed 3

Until now, the driver looks good.

Best known to me driver.
Temperatures are a dream!
Warning: 650/1040/1625 used by me only for the test. However, this can cause hardware damage to other already!
In my case, this value runs without graphical errors.
195.55 playing with me again QuickPlayTV without error and jerk at 215/110/465.
195.55 idle temp 42 C at PM "on"
195.55 idle temp 46 C at PM "off"

EDIT:

Errors due to automatic GPU frequency change (by Powermizer) somewhat smaller.
200 MHz up to 500 MHz of about 90000 microseconds latency peak "= hiccups
500 MHz down to 383 MHz is usually no latency peak "= no hiccups
383 MHz down to 275 MHz is usually no latency peak = no hiccups
275 MHz down to 200 MHz about 90000 microseconds latency peak "= hiccups

The frequency adjustment is as usual very arbitrary. Most of this makes little sense. (rotates continuously in a circle)

In my PM is "off" for ever (only for new drivers to test it may briefly on)

All applications run with me at 215/110/465 perfectly fluid (QuickPlayTV and BlueRay, MediaCenterTV, flash videos, in fact all the videos and HD and Use)

All the results on Windows Vista HP SP2 32 bits!"

 

Sorry, I understand this sentence correctly? Do you have something to Powermizer Dword "2222"?
If so, then this is not good!
Please Watch this setting (2222) GPU-Z, the values of the GPU frequency!
You'll see, this makes no sense.
Powermizer "off" in the HDX makes sense only on AC! (Dword "3322)

If I have misunderstood the sentence, then forget this story.

 

i see. since i don't want to go back and read the hundreds of pages...you are saying that it is true about being on battery...that it does not go above certain cpu speed?

i didn't know it was known to be true...if that's what you are saying. at least it's no just my hdx (or lancorp's) or it's software configurations or whatever.

 

Yeah, looks like normal behavior on battery.

 

to to dv7t and lancorp

Here's an old test of mine. This shows you the power loss of the HDX under battery power. (GPU max 383 MHz and Approximately 1.6 GHz CPU max)

"AC Power T8100 PM on" 186.81 - 500/799/1250 = 7901 3Dmark06 3689/3495/1881
"Bat.Power T8100 PM on" 186.81 - 383/301/766 = 4501 3DMark06 2135/1926/1079 -->No manual downclock! this will automatically HDX!

Power mode "max performance"

It does not bother me really. But it is not ok! Upcoming TV with no volume control yet to come, so that his ears are not destroyed.

At dv7t: But in any case had already Battery capacity problems. With full GPU and CPU power your HDX would have not even booted to an end.

 

true maybe but since i got new batteries, it hasn't been a problem.

das ist richtig über Macht kann, aber ich bekam zwei neue Batterien ein, und sie sind jetzt gut.

 

NVIDIA Win7 x64 Mobile 186. 91 WHQL official download link (not LV2Go repackaging):
http%3A%2F%2Fdownload.windowsupdate.com%2Fmsdownload%2Fupdate%2Fdriver%2Fdrvs%2F2009%2F09%2F20293645_cb6c1aa4c251948406ee897083da9f6d1bf6bc47.cab