*HP dv6z AMD Llano (6XXX series) Owners Lounge*

Link fixed and it was the one I quoted.

There is a measureable difference between 1600MHZ DDR3 and assymetrical 1333MHZ DDR3.



5FPS difference



10FPS difference



5FPS to 6FPS difference



6FPS difference

Those are between 10% to 15% differences in average framerates.

Trackmania,STALKER and Crysis showed around 5% difference.

OK lets look at the IB laptop review:

AnandTech - Mobile Ivy Bridge and ASUS N56VM Preview

With that level of improvement for the HD6620G,I would supect only Skyrim and Batman would be the only games the HD4000 would be ahead in. Both these games are CPU heavy the much faster CPU section on the Intel CPU would account for that.

 

you need low latency 1600. With trinity and overclocked memory, the effect is dramatic.

seer

 

It was CAS 9 both ways. I don't know about Trinity, but I was talking about Llano.

Dunno why you're calculating averages because HT already did that himself at the bottom of the post. Factoring in the asymmetrical RAM, the difference is about a 10% average improvement between 6gb 1333mhz asymmetrical and 1600mhz 8gb symmetrical. If you look at the chart at the bottom of the Anandtech article, there's more games where the HD4000 wins by more than 10%.

edit: Though the Anandtech review brings up another important thing: Intel's iGPU drivers, as usual, are inferior to AMD's.

 

Only in TWO games it is much faster by more than 10% though.

The games which it wins in massively are CPU heavy. I should know I have a Core i3 2100 myself and I can compare it to Core i5 results mates I know have. Both Skyrim and Arkham City are very CPU dependent games. When you move onto the IB mobile Core i3 and Core i5 dual cores with HT the scores will probably be lower IMHO.

The other games are more GPU limited and the faster RAM itself would probably make it overall faster in these games. Overall,the HD6620G would be faster though with 1600MHZ RAM. The main issue is that for certain games the Llano CPU section is not fast enough and even The Techreport mentioned this with their IB desktop testing. I really hope that at least with Trinity AMD can improve their mobile CPU performance otherwise they will end up bottlenecking their own IGPs(fail).

Having said that testing Portal 2 is a tad daft due to the high framerates produced in the first place.

It is a moot point though as even if mobile Trinity is only 20% faster in CPU and 30% faster in GPU,it is going to make the HD4000,look rather meh. Hopefully AMD can do this.

 

We are actually forgetting that any of the llano chips can be overclocked and pretty much defeat intel in both skyrim and batman easily (Plus... no worries about heat below 2.4 ghz)

 

L4D and Dirt 3? Good point though, I never considered that. I would estimate that the HD4000 trails by around 10% below the 6620g, then. Though the i5 parts have a marginally higher clocked iGPU so the difference parts might be a little less than that.

As for Trinity, the only place where I see it winning performance wise is for ultrabooks and budget notebooks. If you're buying a notebook with a full voltage processor, might as well spend another $100 and get one with a low to mid end GPU (like the nvidia 640m) which would much faster anyway.

 

Yeah. As much as I am a fan of AMD now, I'm strongly considering the Clevo W110ER / Sager NP6110. Even if Trinity has excellent integrated GPU performance, it can't hold a candle to a quad core Intel and GT 650m in an 11.6" package. I'm sure the Trinity netbooks will cost $500-$600, but I can get this Clevo for ~ $900 and is more powerful than my DV6z. And no worries for managing two notebooks (11.6" and 15.6"). What I will miss most is the 1080p display. But hopefully a 1600x900 11.6" screen pops up soon.

 

The screen is what kills the W110ER for me. For gaming I wouldn't mind, but the low res will be annoying for coding after experiencing glorious 1080p.

I wonder how AMD is going to figure out dual graphics for Trinity. The smallest desktop VLIW4 core they can cut down for the dGPU is a 100+ watt part, so they either have to CF with 28nm GCN, 40nm VLIW5, make a new VLIW4 core altogether, or abandon dual graphics. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out.

 

I'm really not gonna deny that.... at 900, you really pack power.

 

How are you getting the OC option for the 6620g? Im thinking if you can oc it, than apply at startup.. than switch back to crossfire with the 6750 and see how that performs.

 

@HT, I know how you feel looking at Sager laptops. I myself am looking at a Sager NP9150. The backlit keyboard totally sells it for me, and even though the GTX 675 is not keplar, the system is still a total beast.

 

Just use MSI afterburner and fixer power saving mode, the post I link have a dv6z w/o dgpu.

But the clock reported by kombustor is incorrect, no clue how to OC both 6620g + 6750m same time. 6620g have a hard limit ? Now I running kombustor in dynamics in power saving and seems like OC had little gain.
with that set up in screenshot I got 16 fps in kombustor more often(the range is like 14-16), but in dynamic It come up with 13-15 fps.

I can drag the slider and make kombustor report 700mhz but it doesnt do jack, gpu-z and other monitor all show 457mhz

 

Cas 9 is not 'fast'. reburned fast ram of Cas8 or 7 makes a world of difference. Trinity has an improved mem mgr, I have seen engineering samples running ram at 2100 ish.

seer

 

hehehe, Vect...don't you know that cpu clocks are meaningless in apu performance?

seer

 

Only the low end or ultrathins trins will come without a dedicated gpu for xfire. Xfire with a trin chip is dramatically faster than llano...

seer

 

but... but... but... they actually help! (far more smoothness in both skyrim and batman....)

 

Any evidence of that? Going from CAS 11 to CAS 9 improved performance by a whopping 1%. If performance was being bottlenecked by latency than we would have seen a significant difference between CAS11 and CAS 9, no?

And what will Trinity crossfire with?

AMD should get rid of the microstuttering in Llano dual graphics before they even worry about Trinity.

 

heheh Vect i was being facetious

From what i've seen, they have in trinity. The dramatic increase in the onboard integrated gpu power makes for a much much smoother frame for frame interleave. Also, the 7000 series gpus are ...welll....VERY coool Going to be a very good year for AMD.

Seer

 

Here`s a strange one.

I eventually found a driver that supports my dual amd graphics "12-3_mobility_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc.exe", and installs without error, on a clean install, using driver sweeper.

But when i run the built in overclocking util, I get a windows low memory warning, I have 8gb, 512mb used the built in gpu, and am told to close and running program, but i have nothing running, my memory is low it`s showing 95% used? , so i ignore the warning and continue, but i get a message to do a re-boot, I ignore this but my notebook re-boots , even after the re-boot i run the built-in overclocking and get the same low-mem warning, So i used msconfig to disable all startup items, but i still get the same low-memory warning, then i change my display resulution to 800x600, no good the same message.

Has anybody had this problem before.

I have tested my memory with memtest+ and the win7 mem test and all is fine.

John

 

I don't use my laptop as much for productivity now as I do for entertainment and browsing on the go. I have a desktop that I use primarily for productivity.

AMD needs to work out a good dual graphics solution. Optimus has its issues but I think it is superior to what AMD offers. No more "auto" switching though. Make it fixed like the modded BIOS does in the DV6z.

I'm pretty impressed. Sure wish it were 13.3" though. Maybe, just maybe soon.

That's the one thing lacking in the NP6110 is no backlit keyboard. But I've lived without one this long. Dell is selling 7970m's in the M17x's so hopefully those will be available for the Sager 15 and 17 inch notebooks soon.

 

Another thing about the Intel CPUs,is that due to the agressive Turbo Boost for the IGP it is more likely the IGP will boost to the maximum frequencies than the lower TDP models.

SPCR measured desktop HD4000 power consumption and it is consuming more power than the HD6550D:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1259-page3.html

The desktop parts probably are boosting closer to the maximum level due to the higher available TDP. I would expect as the lower end mobile parts will boost less frequently, but also the IGP will consume less power too IMHO.

Here are some slides leaked from a retailer in Korea:

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Those slides from Korea indicate a 3DMark11 score of 1135 for the HD7660G in the A10-4600M:

http://ai.esmplus.com/etecom/G6(640GB)/2002/g6_2002_002.jpg

That is around 40% higher than the HD4000 using 1600MHZ RAM and the HD6620G using 1333MHZ RAM:

AnandTech - Mobile Ivy Bridge and ASUS N56VM Preview

 

That's pretty strong performance for an entry level hpg6 2023 stock ain't bad, but there's lot more than that waiting out there. As I type this, my dv6z's present config will do 2190 all day, night, week, etc with no apparent ill effects.
We'll have to wait and see but assuming the box i'm waiting for is released in the next few weeks, I'm expecting 2400-2500 3dmark11 scores.

Having seen several examples, I'm not going for the smaller 'ultrathin' format as 17 watts just doesn't cut it for me, your mileage may differ. In the normal 'laptop' offerings, there are both 35 watt and some high perf 45 watt mobile chips and the 45'r is what i'll be hunting for. The 35's are great, but the 45'r overclocks like crazy. The high clock 35's and the 45 with a good dedicated (or 2 hehehehe, will make for a pretty darned serious gamer lappy, and with the right port setup will enable 3 screen eyefinity gaming which is "da shizzle" if you haven't tried it yet. Everyone talks about 3d but 3d is nothing compared to three monitor action gaming. With 5.1 or 7.1 sound, a dark room, a suitable adult beverage, and a backlighted keyboard..its almost literally, a 'whole new game'

Some years ago, the asus techs built up some prototype vid cards with 3 mxm chips on em..They loved the concept and have wanted to implement it ever since...well, with trinity...what they learned then about integrating 3 gpus..lets just say, the r&d guys have been 'playing' again... If they bring this thing to market..it will directly complete with some of the higher end gaming lappies...for a whole lot less money-and with a whole lot less noise, weight, and heat in the process. How does a 1080p 15" with tri-crossfire graphics, raid ssb/hd, backlit keyboard , 16gigs of fast fast fast mem, hardware 7.1 sound, metal chassis, multi-fan cooling and one really wicked 'wedgie' design strike you? and at around 6 lbs? and...for around a thou less than a big gun alienware? gotta love these guys.

seer

 

oh good. 7660g is a good deal slower than my 6650m.
for a minute, i thought they put in a 6650m level igp.
but comparing notebookcheck gt550m 3dmark11 results, I still have a good performance lead.

 

so desktop part is close to 6650m, laptop part will be behind a little more.

Trinity probably get much better power/watt. but it aint gonna go below 500 anytime soon.

Lets pray they get axf right when releasing trinity +dgpu and let us get a 1.8-1.9k 3dmark11 ingame performance.

 

Interesting Trinity information. So I guessed right thinking the best integrated graphics (7660G) of Trinity would be just a bit slower than a 6650m dgpu. I'm glad too... But Trinity will still be impressive, and with faster cpu it may still game as well or slightly better than an A6 llano+6650m & combined with dgpu maybe it will hybrid crossfire better.....but let's wait for game benchmarks before jumping to conclusions.

They're going to label them A6, A8, and A10 Trinity with different levels of integrated graphics (7660G being the highest, 7640g mid level, &7520g lowest).
AMD Radeon HD 7660G - Notebookcheck.net Tech

 

Cool story, I am looking forward to some AMD goodness but am a bit sceptical about this Tri GPU monster, werent you also talking about a dual APU machine at some point too? If any of this stuff is true, when do you estimate it would be announced/released?

 

If you're looking for some lazy , cooked tables then check this one out.
Intel HD Graphics 4000 Benchmarked - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

Hm...that Korean shopping site (it is Korean yes?) gave a fascinating insight. HP's quickly-yanked page for a new base-model A6 pinned the clock at 2.6/3.2GHz whereas this new base-model A10 starts from 2.3/2.8 which is in line with my expectations. A8 is probably the best all-around performer in 35W bracket while A10 will be an IGP-slanted compromise to remain inside its envelope. On 45W side I expect A10 will not be handicapped in the same way. ALL models appear to support a minimum of 1600MHz RAM which complements the clock bump and new hardware transcoder support. Possibly a 45W A10-MX may support 1866MHz in laptops? Say what you will about Trinity's IPC throughput (mostly unkown), when slowest clocks are at least 50% higher than previous generation it IS faster straight out of the box!

Intel Core i7-3770 Ivy Bridge CPU | silentpcreview.com
The comparisons on that page may be a good sample to compare 45W Trinity vs 35/45W IVB. Mobile A10 should have similar throughput to previous desktop A8 and therefore should gain similar benefit from 1600MHz RAM, placing it ahead of even desktop HD4000.

AnandTech - Toshiba Satellite P755D: Nearing the End of the Road for Llano
Did you notice that something REALLY strange was happening in the Cinebench and x264 tests? My cheapass 3500M can clock up to hit their i7 numbers, and a fresh 3550MX would only need a nudge. Nevermind this is effectively a "free" OC on a budget laptop with budget cooler. Something about that test just feels...messy.

AnandTech - Mobile Ivy Bridge and ASUS N56VM Preview
This was the link that started the mess? What it shows me is 1) AMD should have stopped releasing CPUs below 2GHz P0 and 2) the tester was a bit lazy. So very many games magically run faster/smoother with 2GHz+ on my 3500M, leading me to think there are timing issues reminiscent of the DOS era. In most cases it isn't even proper bottlenecking - the game just has no tuning for sub-2GHz clocks. It makes me so thankful for unlocked cores and K10Stat, so irritated that Llano was purposely gimped. Starcraft II and BF3 numbers are further questionable due to game-breaking bugs....

AnandTech - Mobile Ivy Bridge and ASUS N56VM Preview
First: THAT TOSHIBA IS DEEPLY FLAWED. I would really like to know why it didn't last about an hour more. My laptop idles nearly six hours with the screen on. In fact, here: AnandTech - Toshiba Satellite P755D: Nearing the End of the Road for Llano The Toshiba is criticized for exceptionally terrible battery performance compared to AMD reference model. However the video playback and gaming battery scores are still rather good; so it's probably an issue with system idle control. (BIOS power-saving settings broken or the numbnuts didn't carefully check Windows power profiles)

Anyways it would appear that desktop IVB falls between Llano A6-A8 and loses hard if the A8 has 1600MHz+ RAM. The higher-TDP mobile IVB is close equivalent to the cheap A8-Ms but would again fall between the 45W A6 and A8 with 1600MHz RAM. (much closer to A8 than A6 generally tho) 35W IVB numbers will be...enlightening. This is truly a good effort from Intel but drivers need more polish and Trinity *should* kick its @5$ in games. WoW fps 1/2 of A8, Starcraft II crashing every 15min, BF3 missing UI, Minecraft fps 1/3 of A8, Shogun 2 fps 2/3 of A8....pardon my french but these guys are 9uc|{ing up most of the multiplayer titles a student would love to play online with a cheap system from Best Buy/Wal-Mart....the AMD will be at least $100 cheaper and can reliably play modern games NOW.

 

I say.... let's enjoy the fact that AMD can continue developing their fabulous APU processors without the intel fanboys coming and saying "I'm x tousand times faster"... but at the same time it would be a great opportunity to show them how we behave when they just can deliver what they promise...

"We don't care, I just like how my machine fells fast and plays fast"

I personally defend AMD like a fanboy only if another intel fanboy comes and tries to troll, because seriously, those guys sometimes just do it for fun or simply they have never experienced having an AMD full time on them.

At this time the only thing I'm concerned about is playing emulators like PSCX2 and DOLPHIN, the first one at 3.0 GHz becomes extremely good for many games and the later one too but it's a tad slower, still, for pc gaming and everything else I don't pretty much feel the need of anything "faster" because is already instantaneous. Having said this... GO AMD, you very well deserve praising because with so few people and money bring so much joy at an affordable price.

 

I do not really understand whole AMD vs INTEL thing... Intel has always been more about the processing while AMD sticks to its graphical strengths. Both are amazing in their own way. Just stick to whichever suits your style more.

Both companies push forward and make big advances in computing, which bring the entire industry forward. I do not think either side deserves to be bashed. (However do not start me on a Mac vs PC debate, gouging apple s )

What sells me is whichever one provides the best innovation, and bang for the buck! Nothing could beat getting this Dv6Z for $600 and then selling my old Asus for $500. A brand new PC for 100 bucks is a win in my books.

If AMD can bring high end trinity laptops at an affordable price, then I am all over that, and if they don't then I may take a better look at the new Sager Intel offerings. We can speculate all day over which is going to be better, but we can't know too much until everything is released. I can't wait!!!

 

I'm looking forward to a true "fusion" processor too.... the gpu helping the cpu, NEAT.

 

AMD A10-4600M ''Trinity'' 3DMark 11 Performance Leaked

Ok, the cats are *finally* being let out of the bag...at least in Korea.

Just remember, this is *stock* processor stuff It's when the tweaking begins that trinity REALLY shows what it can do

little over a couple of weeks now

seer

 

Those images are taken from the Korean shopping link posted previously. Still looks pretty good for the entry 35W version. I guess my venus-glyph comprehension is better than I thought. (moonrune==japanese, venus-glyph==korean)

 

Hello everyone,

I recently purchased a DV6-6135dx and upgraded the screen to 1080p. I purchased the correct cable and screen posted in these forums. I installed it and it works great but there is one small issue. When playing videos, there is a line that flickers about 2/3rd's of the way up the screen. I think it may have something to do with the refresh rate? Unfortunately is it VERY annoying when I am watching movies. Is there anything you guys could suggest to remedy this?

I tried using D3DOverider to no avail. Is it possible that there is something wrong with the screen? Or perhaps the new connection cable?

Thank you for your time.

pelletiert

 

when trinity comes out, i'm heading to best buy to abuse it.
gonna load up k10stat and see how far she oc's, if it works with piledriver.

it'll be sad if it's multiplier locked.

 

testing out the new 12.4 drivers.. so far soo good.

 

whenever screen wakes after being switched off automatically... the flickering lines problem is there in 6135dx.

just disable turn off display option... and everything should be fine.

 

Hi.

Can anybody get the catalyst video convertor to work? , I only get enable/disable option, where is the select file,

I just installed v12.2 preview that is supposed to have full video convertor, but there is no option under the video tab in catalyst , is my notebook not compatible.

I just want to see if it`s any faster at converting video`s for my mobile phone.

Thanks.

John.

 

can anyone here test out 12.4 in fixed mode ?
any hiccups ?

 

I found 12.3/12.4 to be way unstable with the clocks I have used all the way from 11.6-12.1 , so make sure you flash a stock bios before you upgrade. My system would artifact, crash, and require a CMOS reset just to get back up and running.

I also had a few random crashes , but maybe that is bad luck. Be wary though. My system seems super stubborn. (I think it knows I want to sell it for a new IB/Trinity setup shhhh ) I can't get crossfire to smooth out at all.

Also, We seem to know trinity will be a WIN GPU wise, but I am really curious as to what high end GPUs will come with it. The leaked bench shows a not very stellar sub 2100 score with a 7670, but this is hardly a high end GPU offering.

I hope it comes with at LEAST the 7770m, if not a 7800 series.

In terms of CPU performance, this seems pretty promising : http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/332848-28-4600m-passmark-benchmark

Performance between a desktop phenom X6 1055 and desktop phenom X6 1065

 

Hmm I expected more of Trinity
Seer, you got already P2200 with your rig, am I right? That APU runs with 2.3Ghz and 3.0Ghz Turbo, so there is no improvement over Llano if the total shaders are nearly the same as with LLano Dual Graphics.

 

I believe Seer's score is the overall score and the 3dmark score from the slide is the graphics only score.

 

Actually that is quite a difference over LLano. The integrated graphics 3dmark stepped up from about 700 to over 1100.

It is not trinity that is slow here, it is the 7670m, which appears to be a good deal slower than out 6750m. You need to remember that 6750m = 7690m, so the reason the score is 100 slower is the fact the dGPU is slower.

Also this 7670 is stock, while most of out 6750s are overclocked a fair amount.

Also I think R3D is onto something, it shows llano with a score of 684 and I am pretty sure that a full 3dmark11 test results in about 800ish.

The Table says GPU,GPU, Combined, and Total. That does not include the CPU tests.

EDIT: Look at this, I am pretty sure that is just GPU http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-6620G.54675.0.html

GPU scores are around 650 while total scores are around 725-800

 

Is there any news on a lit keyboard for this laptop? My keyboard is being weird after spilling some soda on it so I need to get a new keyboard ASAP. Preferably one that lights up.

 

Backlit keyboard will not be compatible. It will need power supplied from the mainboard.

 

Ah okay thanks for the info. Every time I press the space key it registers 4 other keys and when I press the backspace button it registers F4 for some reason. Everything seems to be working except those 2 keys.

Does anyone know where I can buy a replacement keyboard for my laptop? DV6-6135 And also, Is it possible to remove the keys from the keyboard? I'm hoping that cleaning under the keys may fix the issue. Thank you.

 

You can order it from HP Parts. Not cheap, but it's only place I know at the moment.

 

Hey guys, i'm looking to buy a laptop with i7-2760QM + HD 7690M + 8GB 1600MHz DDR3. Do it is a good investement or is better if i wait for Trinity? I'd like to buy in no more than a month as i'm really in a need of a new laptop.

What do you think?

 

Hi Everyone,
I've got the itch to perform some upgrades to my dv7-6165, and have been doing quite a bit of searching for information on a possible LCD upgrade to 1080p. I have seen some comments made on pages 554 and 555 of this thread, but was unable to find any additional information on whether or not anyone has actually performed a replacement. The compatible LCD P/N LP173WF1(TL)(B3) runs around $90. Can anyone confirm whether this has been done?

 

I read in the dv6t display thread, some did change on dv7.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-pavilion-notebooks/610177-hp-dv6t-display-replacement.html