*HP dv6z AMD Llano (6XXX series) Owners Lounge*

Finally! By chance I broke my noncrossfire score of P1594, with a new one being at P1615.
Lower cpu clocks actually did the trick!

As stated before, if you have problems with the last 3DMark11 test, you could up your voltage a bit and you're fine. It seems if the CPU is producing errors, these run into an ECC type of memory, which correct them, but in return would need some more time. Therefore the test would need longer to load. On the other hand, if that happens during the test, it would slightly lower your CPU performance.
And while upping the voltages at a certain point would produce more heat, and therefore again produce more errors, I found that I just had to reduce clocks a bit to achieve a higher performance. Sometimes it's so simple, you wont see the wood for the trees...

(Now my old 6770m is "just" another 233 points ahead! )

 

It gets back to my point that your cores will throttle and have an effect on performance. I am actually running at 2.4GHz with boost to 2.8GHz and it runs rock solid at 2.4GHz, and so far hasn't exceeded 75C without cooler and < 70C with cooler. But if I go much higher than 2.4GHz the CPU performance starts to bounce around once temps exceed 70C. I think it's just a built in protection mechanism once clocks exceed designed boost speed.

 

HT I am having the exact same issue. All of my games are using the iGPU and none are using the dGPU. I made a little discovery too. The newer CCC drivers.... only contain drivers for the dGPU. I did a full driver wipe, and tried installing 11.6/8/9 and it only installed drivers for the dGPU, it did not even install anything for the iGPU.... So it is like they are updating 1 driver and not the other with these updates.

 

Hi all,

I have invested some time to finally get to a stable FusionTweaker version for Llano. -> FusionTweaker

Please be really careful using the tool, since I figured, that I can actually overclock the A6 APU (might be different on an A8), which I have used for debugging. So watch your temps, while you are checking it out. Furthermore changing the NB/GPU voltage was working on my system too.
Making the settings permanent works as well from now on.

Let me know, what you guys think,
witteks

 

Thanks for your amazing work. I'll look into it. But are you sure, the voltage change does really work? A change isn't shown in GPU-Z, and furthermore a voltage decrease wouldn't change the amount of power drawn from the wall, or affect system stability when set to really low values.

 

Thanks for the update. I tried it out. I have an a6 and was unable to change the voltage for the nb or igpu. Also when I clicked on the service box an error pops up about value 9 being invalid.

 

thanks witt, I'll give it a spin. Anything to choose between 32 and 64 bit versions?

edit: not ready for prime time witt, got the same 'number 9' error. debugger message says that '9' is out of range. needs to be 'between Minimum and Maximum" values.
seer

 

So i think my laptop is dead. It wont post, no hp logo. it just set that and gets extremely hot. Any ideas?

 

Will changing the ULPS_NA setting along with Enable_ULPS (the normal one) allow overclocking in 11.8?

 

At least, not for me. With 11.7 and above, only disabling all three ULPS settings helps for overclocking.

 

Can you guys please cut and paste the error message? I believe, I had it already fixed, but it seems, I forgot to include it into the final compile.

I'll answer later more detailed on the NB/GPU voltage, but in short, try to lower the voltage to 0.4V. If your system bluescreens, it works!

-witteks

 

Ok, first here witt, :

second, I think I have finally found why I seem to be able to do things on this particular unit that others cannot seem to do..
regedit reveals that I have NO 'ulps' entries in my registry...zip, zero, nada..
in fact, it appears that the entire amd section containing those settings, is not in my particular registry...
This would explain a lot.
Witt, did you put up a revised version of your utility?

seer

 

hi seer,

could you please click on details and send me the info from there? I can't see, which value is causing the exception.
In addition it would be nice, if you can go to the status page and click "log now". this saves some debug info into the folder of the program. you might want to attach that too (the file is called FusionTweaker.log).
Did you try to lower the NB voltage?

Thanks a lot,
witteks

 

From my experience, and web searches, I don't think the Enable_ULPS_NA has anything to do with it.

 

Nb voltage lowering has always worked for me. I have crashed out going too low before. see hwinfo pic confirming change in nb voltage
here are some more pics of status and details

 

On a different subject... Trinity is UP and RUNNING!!, and running FAST AMD is STILL not saying what sockets it will run on, but the one they demo'ed yesterday was in a laptop development platform, AND, the dedicated gpu used was on an MXM board All the hardware was Alpha, drivers were Alpha, and it all ran without a glitch. It was romping thru Deux Ex or whatever that game is called. Reportedly, they are pleasantly surprised that it appears far more stable and 'far along' on the development cycle, than expected, and the possibility was hinted at that we might see Trinity out BEFORE Ivy, which would mean by the end of the year.
Time to start saving your pennies. Apparently it *could* be sixty percent or faster than the A-8!. The "or faster' comes from the rumor that the igpu appears to be a Major upgrade from the 6620g. On the operating demo system, amd reps also 'smiled' but refused to comment when it was suggested that the dedicated on the demo system looked suspiciously like it was 6900 series based...which would mean that to operate in dual graphics, the igpu on trinity has received a serious kick in the performance butt. Could it be that AMD pulled a leapfrog and put a 7 series into the igpu?

If this all proves out, Trinity may turn out to be the 'holy grail' of mass computing for the next cycle. Turns out that Ivy is only seeing about 4% -5% (some say six, but not many) improvement over SB!!!

seer

edit: one other thing in case you missed it. AMD set a new Guiness speed record. 8.4ghz on a Bulldozer!! and THAT's the new core in Trinity

 

Thanks seer. I'm trying to figure out, whats wrong there.
Can you please attach the log file, which gets created on button click "Log now"? You can find it in the installation folder of FusionTweaker. You don't need to make a screenshot of the status page.


Guys, I believe I know, whats going on. The issue is caused by the previous version of FusionTweaker. Actually the settings, which were saved to the registry are causing the new version to fail. Please execute regedit and remove everything under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\FusionTweaker please.

-witteks

 

Yeah, I read about Trinity. Quite exciting. Although Ivy Bridge has been delayed to Q2 2012 because of the Intel recall of Sandy Bridge at launch with the SATA chip degradation. So Trinity may still be until end of Q1 2012.

In any case, maybe I'll be upgrading my laptop sooner than expected. Another post here at NBR showed pricing for desktop CPU 8 core was only like $269 retail! This means laptop chip should be cheaper. And if they can get 6770m performance or better ON CHIP, there'd be little need for a dedicated card for the mobile platform unless you really want to push your graphics.

 

that fixxed it. testing now.

seer

 

Got it figure out. i need to pull the CMOS battery.

 

Hmm, you were right. Now it works without setting the _NA to disable... TRIXX disable ULPS is still strange sometimes. ^^

But with the NB undervolting: I can go all the way down to the lowest value at 0.45v (which is correctly shown in HWinfo), but it wont affect the amount of power drawn or stability. (both with ULPS enabled or disabled)
Maybe it's some kind of HP program, that interferes with Fusiontweaker for me. Or it's the F.20 bios I'm still using...
Anyways we should wait for other users experience with the undervolting feature. (which would be a real nice benefit if working)

 

Wow that is exciting news about trinity.... I hope the mobile version uses the same socket as the current gen A8s..... (not likely but I can always hope right??) lol.

It makes sense for trinity to use FS1 socket.... why would they retire a brand new socket in less than a year...
One thing is for sure, as soon as an engineering sample shoots online, im buyin.

 

yeah mac, i'm getting that 'itch' myself LOL. I also am hopefull that they MIGHT be initially compatible with the existing socket...when asked amd did NOT reply "NO" so there might still be a chance that the first ones might fit.

seer

 

LOL. Intel has no problem retiring a socket every year. AMD on the other hand tends to keep them common for quite some time.

 

I can't remember if anyone was looking on how to delete the preferences for switchable graphics (like power saver or not assigned) but I stumbled on to the save location for it. Its C:\Users\"user"\AppData\Local|ATI\ACE\APL Hope this helps someone, if not least now we know where it is.

SEEYA

 

heyas, thanks for that, i've been wondering where that was.

on the other front, well, there IS something different about witt's revised fusiontweaker. my cpu benches are up. its apparently changing the time that the cores spend at higher freqs, cause I'm now outperforming the i5-520m (considerably) ; the i7 820Qm (considerably); the core2extreme QX6700 quad (by a few percent), AND not one but 2 of the xenon 5150P's (just slightly). Fooling around writing this stuff online, temps are now 30c on the apu and 31 on the dedicated...Not too bad...not too bad at all.

seer

 

Thanks! +1!

I can finally try the "not assigned" option. Although first thing I noticed is that Deus Ex runs slower with it "not assigned" than with it set to high performance either with crossfire on or off.

 

In regards to the trinity talk I thought you all may find this link interesting.

Trinity will be using a amd 7000 series graphics and will be on the same socket! Good news for us all.

AnandTech - AMD's Trinity GPU Officially Branded as Radeon HD 7000

 

Okay, Trinity has the potential to be the best thing for mobile devices in awhile. If we use similar speccs to the DV6z as a guidline, the desktop 7670 will be the mobility 7770/7750. The desktop 7670 is 768 steam processors on 1GB DDR5/128 bit bus. So if we have that card, with Trinity, 4 Piledriver cores (Next Gen Bulldozer?), with an IGP with obviously more processors than the current due to the 28nm switch (600?), it will be ridiculously powerful in a mobile platform. Beast?

Steam processor counts from AMD Radeon HD 7000 Series Specification Leaked < VideoCardz.com >

 

It sure would be something to throw a trinity APU in and have the iGPU perform stronger than our dGPU, role reversal LOL.

 

So I wonder if deleting the ULPS registry settings would let me overclock... time to find out.

Trinity is going to be a beast, and it'll also be amazing if I can throw one intto my K53TA. 7xxx iGPU + 6650m dGPU in Crossfire would be really cool.

I doubt that AMD will allow that, though, especially considering you can't Crossfire 5xxx with 6xxx.

 

Yeah, I think you'll have to get a whole new system to get the benefits of the improved IGP. But it is going to be sick.

 

well, hot on the heels of the trinity info, amd bulldozer will arrive stores Sept 22 about time, my amd bulldozer ready box has been sitting here next to my desk gathering dust waiting I want to see what my two Nvid 480s can do, besides heat the house LOL. ("what do you mean i need a 1000 watt power supply? you're kidding right? no? jeeeeezus..".) Anyway, its built , its ready, just one little chip away from gaming hardcoreness LOL.

Also, in reading about the Trinity, I didn't see where it said anything about the mobile version using the same socket. Did I miss something there? I mean, I AM hopeful...but..

seer

 

Even if it uses the same socket, it doesn't necessarily mean it will be compatible.

 

I'm having a strange problem with Afterburner... If I start OCing with it before I start a game (e.g. Bad Company 2), the game just doesn't start and freezes at a black screen. But it runs fine if I launch Afterburner after starting the game.

And I know the OC isn't too much because I used a modded BIOS with the same OC and BC2 started and ran fine.

 

I've found Afterburner causes lockups and freezeups for me all the time in Bad Company 2. I ended up turning it off.

 

Dirk... your program is almost perfect, but can I request you to add profiles like K10STAT on it? this is because:

I can overclock my CPU up to 2.6 GHz with no problem except for the temps, they go as high as more than 85 degrees at full load, that's why I only use this frequency in a different profile for emulators like the DSmume, because they barely put load on the processor but require frequency raw power (temps don't go up more than 76 degrees)

Also it would be interesting if you could put some sort of limit because of the temperature, if the temperature rises up to a very high limit, then the cores should step back one level so the temperature goes down...

But that's it, other than that I'm very pleased with this little program

 

Hey Guys... forgot to ask, what is a USA equivalent for the German Dv6-6110sg? (I mean, with the processor A6-3410mx and the discrete graphics 6550 and screen of 1366x768?) I want to buy another one

 

I too think that the program is really awesome work, but you probably wanted to thank witteks and not me ^^

 

So I am having problems playing blu ray discs now. Has anyone else had a problem with it since since changing bios or drivers?

The problem is there is sound but no video or image

 

So I ended up picking up the dv6-6135dx from Best Buy after my Gateway laptop crapped out on me last week. Is there anything I should do to improve performance outside of overclocking? I'll overclock eventually, but I don't think I'm ready yet.

 

Well K10stat is your best friend. The single thing you SHOULD do. If anything it will improve battery life by reducing voltages. Voltages are crazy high for default.

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On another note, I just got done playing Starcraft 2 for over an hour, limited CPU to 1.8GHz, and using dedicated GPU, temps never exceeded 51C, and still have 4.5 hours of battery life left for browsing, etc. I have the 9-cell.

 

Yeah, my old laptop had to be crazily undervolted or else it would idle at around 60C. I'll try K10Stat. How much did you lower yours on average?

 

This is my profile:

 

Wow, you weren't lying! I'll have to get that done later today. Is that a reasonably stable config?

 

Woooow HT you got a great undervolter. I cannot even get near that low for 800mhz and 1000mhz. My lowest stable voltage is 0.7875V for 800mhz.

I guess thats just how the world works. I get an amazing 820/1020 6750m but a 3530mx that isn't too impressive lol.

 

Very stable, but remember for my config. Make sure to test each Pstate in your config. I tested each p-state for 30 minutes each with Prime95 Large FFT's and IntelBurnTest.

Yeah great undervolter, but not a great overclocker, lol. 2.4GHz is about best I can go before weird things happen and/or temperatures skyrocket. And my 6750m is 800/920 at best, have BIOS overclocked to 780/880 to be on the safe side. So you got a great GPU overclocker card. I even put heatsinks on my GPU RAM but it doesn't help with overclocking. Must just be a voltage thing.

 

So I solved the problem. It was my display drivers. With all the driver installs / reinstalls and crashes my drivers became corrupt. I have been just running the stock hp drivers and things seem to run best with them.

 

do the dv6z usb 3.0 ports work when accessing the bios ?

or are they dead, just like my asus llano...

 

I seem to have the worst 6750 at around 780/850 or so but apparently didn't do too bad with the 3530mx.
seer