The Notebook Review forums were hosted by TechTarget, who shut down them down on January 31, 2022. This static read-only archive was pulled by NBR forum users between January 20 and January 31, 2022, in an effort to make sure that the valuable technical information that had been posted on the forums is preserved. For current discussions, many NBR forum users moved over to NotebookTalk.net after the shutdown.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
← Previous pageNext page →

    NOW AVAILABLE - Updated ENVY 15, ENVY 17 / ENVY 17 3D

    Discussion in 'HP' started by eafd, Nov 16, 2011.

  1. fiver5

    fiver5 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    44
    Messages:
    235
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
  2. devsk

    devsk Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    11
    Messages:
    476
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Thanks a lot Stefan! That gives people some data points for assessing what they are going to get. For me personally, it doesn't matter much!

    Quick question: Did you upgrade the drivers etc. to latest before running this test?
     
  3. edvb

    edvb Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    8
    Messages:
    117
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Stefanp67

    How is the track pad?

    Does it work well or do you see some problems with it
     
  4. stevester

    stevester Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    32
    Messages:
    106
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Yup that means anti-glare, at least for the full hd 15" screen. If someone gives me their product number and serial number for a non full-hd screen i can check out the build components for ya.
     
  5. edvb

    edvb Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    8
    Messages:
    117
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Thanks stevester

    That make me feel better.

    We will see for sure in a couple of days.
     
  6. edvb

    edvb Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    8
    Messages:
    117
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I think they still put a glossy cover over the screen.
     
  7. SoulMisaki

    SoulMisaki Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    39
    Messages:
    709
    Likes Received:
    40
    Trophy Points:
    41
    Thanks for all the game tests Stefan! Seems like it will be fine for games. Around 1080p, it should be able to get around 30fps with some setting changes - that's fine for me.

    If you could run any of the tests they do here, let us know how they compare. If they match up, it would mean that the 15 tests on the article also should match.

    Either way, I can't wait to get my ENVY 17 3D.
     
  8. haar03

    haar03 Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    9
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Yes. Denmark here. The new ENVY is on the Danish HP. well sort of here but the productinfo is two dead links and until yesterday, the picture was of the old 2xxx model. so nohelp there. I mailed hp.dk about the missing info/dead links and they mailed back "look here for info on the new envy". :(
    But. dustin.dk (and dustin.se) is shipping the base model. This is where stefan (the only dude in the world with one) got his.
     
  9. franklyshankly

    franklyshankly Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    186
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    AMD Radeon HD 6770M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

    According to the Skyrim benchmarks posted here, the 6770m gets 43 fps on medium and 29 fps on high.

    Both of these are on a MBP 15, with a SB quad, and similar screen res (1440x900 or 1680x1050 depending on the model) and runs the card slightly downclocked at 675 Core instead of 725.

    Seems like an almost identical match to what we see here if you consider the 50 MHz downclock. This card matches up almost identically in Skyrim with the 6770m.

    If the 15 is slower than this, I will be really disappointed.
     
  10. stevester

    stevester Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    32
    Messages:
    106
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Ya looking at pics it appears that way, however the panel itself is not glossy according to the build config.
     
  11. SoulMisaki

    SoulMisaki Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    39
    Messages:
    709
    Likes Received:
    40
    Trophy Points:
    41
    I can understand that, but do you really need to say that so many times?
     
  12. theoptimusdime

    theoptimusdime Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    143
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Based on post history, yes.
     
  13. drathaar

    drathaar Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    51
    Messages:
    179
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    LOL, sorry can't help myself. You guys are funny, reading these forums makes the day go a lot faster. Thanks
     
  14. franklyshankly

    franklyshankly Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    186
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30

    I sound my barbaric yawp over the roofs of the world.
     
  15. ibby89

    ibby89 Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Most probably the same time the rest of Europe gets it. If you'd noticed, the Envy 17 was put up on HP UK (non-CTO of course :mad: ) about two days after the US started taking orders back on the 7th.

    If you're like me, stuck in London with little to do except twiddle your thumbs and dream about the new power and style, you'd find a friend in the states and get them to order for you.

    Mine's coming on the 6th btw!

    And while I have time, smashing job Stefan. Your contributions are highly appreciated even down in Britain! Have yourself a cup of tea!
     
  16. stefanp67

    stefanp67 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    238
    Messages:
    264
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    And finally Crysis, these are by far not the most demanding passages in the game but a great part of the game should be like this.

    Medium setting, 1600x900, fps varied between 40-50:

    [​IMG]


    High setting, 1600x900, fps varied between 30-40:

    [​IMG]
     
  17. drathaar

    drathaar Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    51
    Messages:
    179
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Thanks again Stefan for all your input & hard work.
    I'm so glad that I did not receive my laptop first!
    Too much pressure for me to handle.
     
  18. stefanp67

    stefanp67 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    238
    Messages:
    264
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Nothing is updated i still use what came with the envy. For Skyrim i forced vsync of in ccc.
     
  19. theoptimusdime

    theoptimusdime Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    143
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Any thoughts on the trackpad Stefan? Also how is the screen?
     
  20. StakeX

    StakeX Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
  21. roseus

    roseus Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    For anyone who hasn't bought an Envy, there is another 30% off coupon on techbargains. It's good through December 31.
     
  22. drathaar

    drathaar Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    51
    Messages:
    179
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    OMG! That was funny & sad at the same time.
    That's what he gets for living in mansion.

    I wonder if the driver was fired........ :cool:
     
  23. theoptimusdime

    theoptimusdime Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    143
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
  24. franklyshankly

    franklyshankly Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    186
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Just checked, 30% off pavilion over 999, ends Dec. 31

    NBT3886

    Thanks Roseus
     
  25. stefanp67

    stefanp67 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    238
    Messages:
    264
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I only used it on the initial setup then i connected the logitech mx-518.

    Trying the trackpad now, the 2 finger zoom unzoom works fine, 2 finger scrolling also works fine. I don't know any more 2 finger gestures than this but in general the trackpad feels fine with a surface that gives feedback when moving. Buttons (or the the part of the pad below the line) are distinct and not to soft to press. Wow i greatly disliked my dv7 trackpad but this one can actually be used :D.
     
  26. stefanp67

    stefanp67 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    238
    Messages:
    264
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I don't have any of those games sorry.
     
  27. drathaar

    drathaar Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    51
    Messages:
    179
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
  28. roseus

    roseus Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Your welcome :)
    I was waiting for a new coupon, since I wanted the 300gb SSD in mine :D
     
  29. devsk

    devsk Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    11
    Messages:
    476
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Thanks! I am not sure there are updated drivers (for chipset and graphics) that will likely boost these numbers further. But I am happy to see whatever you have posted. Thanks a bunch!
     
  30. stefanp67

    stefanp67 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    238
    Messages:
    264
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Screen is ok, good viewing angles and not to reflective but i must admit that the 1920x1080 sound more appealing, maybe i should have waited :( .

    I have been on battery now for 20 minutes and battery is showing 95% with an estimated 6 hours 36 minutes left.
     
  31. theoptimusdime

    theoptimusdime Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    143
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Honestly, I would exchange it if I were you. I assume you'll be using this for 2-3 years, in which case, you'll only regret not getting the 1080P screen (I think, everyone has different preferences). Also, a replacement with a better screen may not have that dent in the USB port (admit it, it bothers you a little...)

    If you love it, keep it, obviously. But any speck of regret will only grow I presume.

    Just my 2 cents, not that it matters :)

    EDIT: Probably sounds like I'm trying to convince you to do it. I'm not. I don't have my hands on your machine so I can't say :)
     
  32. drathaar

    drathaar Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    51
    Messages:
    179
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Stefan just mentioned that perhaps he should have waited for the 1920x1080 screen.

    theoptimusdime, I know you have good intentions & you just want him to be happy with his purchase without any regrets. :)

    The good thing is he has 21-day, if he decides to return it.
    I hope HP honors that same return policy all over the world.
     
  33. ThinkPaid

    ThinkPaid Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    127
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Well keep in mind games will play faster a bit faster at that res.
     
  34. SoulMisaki

    SoulMisaki Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    39
    Messages:
    709
    Likes Received:
    40
    Trophy Points:
    41
    Agreed, but it wont slow down horribly if bumped up to 1080p. At 1080p, I'd expect a 5 frame dip from 1600x900. Either way, I'd rather play at 1600x900 with effects and things, than at 1080p with those same effects off.
     
  35. klas

    klas Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    32
    Messages:
    1,435
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    How about Battlefield 3 fps?
     
  36. drathaar

    drathaar Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    51
    Messages:
    179
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Maybe this question was answered before, just don't feel like reading 219 pages.

    Is the graphics card replaceable in the Envy 17 or is it soldered to the board?
    Thx.
     
  37. Luxferro

    Luxferro Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    15
    Messages:
    205
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Soldered down.

    There was an HP dissasembly document posted somewhere in this thread. It doesn't show any MXM gpu's, only shows a heatsink covering a chip that is mounted to the motherboard.
     
  38. stefanp67

    stefanp67 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    238
    Messages:
    264
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I can still return it so i am thinking of swapping this one for the 3010eo model instead. The full hd can always be set to 1600x900 or 1280x720 if need be to boost the performance.

    A little summing up after having the Envy 17-3000eo for 2 days:


    On the minus side:

    - Dented usb port and scratch beside left ctrl key => probably an accident in the factory since all seals looked ok.

    - Fan noise on the right side is a little annoying in a quiet room, coolsence off or on does nothing => need more fan settings like ultra quiet fan mode

    - Now and then when i type i seem to loose a letter here and there and has to go back and correct => maybe i am not yet used to the chiclet keyboards or need a finger nail trimming


    On the neutral side:

    +/- The 7690m-xt is not a bad performer but it is not that far above the 6770m so lets say it is ok but by no way a grim reaper in the graphics business :D.

    +/- Speakers are ok with good volume but don't expect them to sound as your home theater system. I think they do beat most if not all laptop speakers around today but they are still laptop speakers.


    On the positive side:

    + I really like the trackpad.

    + Beats volume control is superb (i can't live without it now)

    + Backlit keyboard were you can dim or brighten the led's

    + Over all a high quality feeling

    + Fast harddive (7200rpm 750GB WD) and very snappy system overall

    + HP masterad the subject of switching graphics, very easy to use and very easy to understand

    + Been on battery for an hour and a half surfing and posting, battery down to 76% and an estimated 5 hours 10 minutes left. So 6-7 hours battery time does not sound impossible for the active surfer, maybe even 1-2 more hours for those not active 100% of the time which i have been (damn flash battery eating ads).

    + 2 year Norton Internet Security and Adobe Premiere and Photoshop Elements

    + Webcam is ok

    +++++ No crapware => thank you HP

    + Having had and getting 3rd degree burns from the first gen envy 17 i can say that the third gen doesn't get warm even when running furmark and wprime for an extended period simultanously



    Battery update: 2 hours 20 minutes on battery and 63% left so it looks like i can squeeze at least 6.5 hours out of the battery, i can't almost believe it's a quad core i7 and a upper midrange or lower high end graphics adapter under the hood.
     
  39. SoulMisaki

    SoulMisaki Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    39
    Messages:
    709
    Likes Received:
    40
    Trophy Points:
    41
    You had me at "7690M XT not a bad performer" and "Beats Audio Speakers better than any other Laptop Speakers". Those were two of my reasons for getting this computer over the ASUS G74SX A1.

    The ASUS would be 3 pounds heavier to carry around, it would be plastic construction, it would have traditionally keyboard audio controls, and it would be an additional $100 + Shipping.

    For $100 less, I get a metal construction, best audio speakers on a laptop, a 3D screen, a bluray player, HDD protection, 4 year warranty (2 year accidental), and 5 hours more battery life. Only thing I had to sacrifice was the GPU, from a GTX 560M to a AMD 7690M-XT, which doesn't impact me much.

    Thanks so much for your impressions - a final set of pictures would be great if you could, I can't get enough of the sleek look of this laptop! (And no, MBPs are too plain.)
     
  40. theoptimusdime

    theoptimusdime Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    143
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    @SoulMisaki

    Funny as I was considering the Asus G74SX before this as well. Glad I waited as this looks like a better overall laptop.
     
  41. CompUG

    CompUG Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    40
    Messages:
    611
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    How long do you think till HP releases a new coupon like the 33%that expired this past weekend..
     
  42. gunny5821

    gunny5821 Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    153
    Messages:
    513
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Can you by chance provide a couple of pictures pointing out these issues??

    Great job fielding all of the requests! Very much appreciated..... :D
     
  43. CompUG

    CompUG Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    40
    Messages:
    611
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Can you post pics of your Envy? :D
     
  44. franklyshankly

    franklyshankly Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    186
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    He already did a few pages back.
     
  45. SoulMisaki

    SoulMisaki Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    39
    Messages:
    709
    Likes Received:
    40
    Trophy Points:
    41
    He's already posted pictures of both, you can see them here.

    I'm sure it wont happen to anyone else though, so lol, don't worry. :D
     
  46. brody_

    brody_ Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    236
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    seems only HP can redirect the fedex package,and fedex wont hold it until it's already attempted to be delivered. total pain in the . hope this doesn't fk with my 3 week return option.
     
  47. ThinkPaid

    ThinkPaid Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    127
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Yes I too was look at the g series. But I did not want that massive design and gaming card. It's a bit overpowered for limbo and trine :)
     
  48. gunny5821

    gunny5821 Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    153
    Messages:
    513
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Thanks I missed those two. BUT they would be enough for an exchange if it were me. I would wait until after the holidays and than contact HP for an exchange and maybe even have them throw in a small upgrade for your troubles.. They really work with us on that type of issue. But that's me, those two issues would drive me crazy in the long run...
     
  49. ThinkPaid

    ThinkPaid Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    127
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Question for you guys (I can't display the configuator properly in my iPhone. What is the cheapest SSD option and is it worth it? Do you think
    Hp has other options coming up? Maybe i should just drop the dual HDDs and pick up a hybrid drive later on...
     
  50. Bobmitch

    Bobmitch Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    247
    Messages:
    2,038
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Gunny...I agree with you! When you consider how much you spent on the new Envy...you want it perfect. If someone is going to "ding" it...it should be the owner. The builders in China are careless and don't take care of things as they should. I have had two Envy's and both have had to have the keyboards replaced, because they were so sloppy at the factory...I would make HP very aware of this situation.
     
← Previous pageNext page →