Lenovo IdeaPad Y410P Owners and Information thread

So just keep using the 1st y410p until the 2nd one arrives in 1-2 weeks then? Once the 2nd y410p arrives, you check it and if it's the right display this time, you keep it and ship the original y410p back to Lenovo. I don't see a problem here?

 

lenovo will only ship to my home address. i am on holiday visiting home but will be leaving next friday. so my only option is to have someone from my home ship me the replacement. that is way too much work and i do not have to coordinate this.

 

Here's my problem written out again if anyone else with a 410p can help:


I've had issues with my gt 755m where a game when it reaches 60 fps or higher I either get screen tearing with vsync off or noticeable slowdown (but fps counter still stays at 60 fps or higher). This is pretty annoying, but with games like borderlands 2 with a built in fps limiter I can limit it to 50 and it stays smooth throughout.
The only other game I've seen solve this is battlefield 4 when I put in the RenderDevice.RenderAheadLimit 1 command. Then I can hit 60 fps and no slowdown -- but it lowers my overall fps most of the time unforunately
I tried FPS limiters like nvidia inspector limiting it to 55 which let me turn on vsync and no slow down, but then I get some tearing.
Any ideas?

 

All my former mid-range gpu gaming laptops and high end gaming laptops in the past had screen tearing when vsync is off when fps goes upwards of 60+ so my advice is just to live with it. Turning vsync on and u get reduce performance or just leaving vsync off and you get max fps and smooth fps with screren tearing is much better. Even my former desktop gaming pc going way back in 2004-2005 with the popular BFG Geforce 6800GT had screen tearing when vsync is off.

Screen tearing has always been there and been talk about by HardOCP and Anandtech back in 2003-2004 with Far Cry and Doom 3 with desktop gaming machines, whenever you have vsync off and fps goes above 60+, you get tearing, so you're just gonna have to learn to live with it.

 

An excellent question as I am fighting the slow down on 60fps issue also.

 

I also have this issue, with the only remotely demanding game I have being Skyrim, It stuttered like hell, with a few texture mods, and an fps limiter mod, the game is playable, but since I am reaching 60fps, it still stutters sometimes.... But a lot of people have issues with Bethesda games.... I cannot fully test it, I have some waiting to download right now though. The witcher 2, games like that. I'll see if I get the same issue. I'm gonna get a desktop in 2014 anyway..... So on January 1st I'll have a report....

 

I'd wait for DDR4 before you splurge on a desktop. However you can start collecting some of the non-core components now, like peripherals, display and storage.

 

I tested this on a 745m-having computer and it has a similar issue. But ironically that computer isn't as powerful so you don't get 60 fps as much so you get less stuttering...by being weaker! The only two games that I seem to avoid this issue on other than bf4 with that one tweak that basically kills fps are left 4 dead 2 and starcraft 2. I notice on left 4 dead 2 you can choose double or triple buffering in game and it basically locks to 60 and never moves from it, that's probably key.

I had a laptop with 750m ddr5 for a few days (dell 15 7000 which was awesome but had a mushy unresponsive keyboard) and I didn't notice any such issue on that laptop. Has anyone who experienced this experienced it on a 750m as opposed to 755m?

Either way if I cannot solve this then this laptop is toast.

 

You say that, but if you turn vsync on it does kill the tearing...but theres no reason it should display as slowdown once your fps hits 60. The FPS counter stays on 60 but it plays like it's running at 15 fps. That makes no sense. It's not really something to live with if it's so easy to fix, right? It also effectively means that newer games run better with less tearing and slowdown than older ones, where your computer will be running over 60 fps!

 

It's called input lag, and any kind of V-Sync is notorious for causing it. Try turning on triple-buffered V-Sync and then using an FPS limiter to cap it at 58 FPS. I've read this eliminates tearing while also reducing input lag, but I have yet to test it myself.

 

I've definitely tried that and I still get some tearing although a different kind. And by the way I don't think it's input lag. It's not about mouse speed, it's about getting to a certain high fps then it feels like very low fps

 

Ah, yeah maybe I'll do that instead. Idk why I didn't think about that. Does it void the warranty with Lenovo? I really regret buying it if it does because I don't care much for 8 (though I am slowly figuring it out).

 

Guys, since I'm getting unlimited internet in January, I'm gonna test the hell out of my games. If the others work and it's a Skyrim problem.... Well I'll don't mind re downloading everything if I screw up, I'm gonna take drastic measure to fix Skyrim, tomorrow,(well today) will, be the first day. Should I enable triple buffering in the control panel for Skyrim? Also, in the Skyrim launcher it says I have a GT755m, but in my .ini file it says my sd3dd device is Intel HD 4600.... I also use the antilag.cfg which has renderaheadlimit=8, and fpslimit=60.... For some reason anything under 60 fps in elder scrolls games see,s laggy to me...

 

From my testing all games except left 4 dead 2, starcraft 2 and scribblenauts unlimited suffer from slowdown at 60 fps with vsync turned on

 

It does not void the warranty, the only thing is that if you ship back your laptop to Lenovo for whatever reason they will re-image it with Windows 8, so just make sure you make a good backup of all your personal files.

Plus, Windows 7 is officially supported on the laptop, Lenovo has the full set of W7 drivers for the Y410p.

Also if installing Windows 7, remember to disable Secure Boot and UEFI boot, then delete all the partitions on the hard drive before you install.

 

Hey I had the same problem with Skyrim, I thought my game had issues, but I uninstalled everything and installed again and it had the same problem, but only sometimes indoors, where fps would get 60 like you said, and stuttering would be crazy. I don't have much of an issue with it now since I installed mods like real vision enb to make the graphics higher thus bringing down fps. It's a win win in my case. Also I can go much higher in fps in other games and it would not have a problem, it's only skyrim.


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If the laptop takes the Elan drivers can you change to the Synaptics? Or is it dependent on the internal hardware when the laptop was built?

Also is there a way to configure the touchpad to not allow movement on the bottom portion where the left click and right click are?

 

Referring to V-Sync, it should get rid of tearing, at the cost of lesser fps and input lag due to the monitor having to wait at least an extra full refresh rate due to the GPU. Until nVidia implements their G-Sync, which utilizes a constantly changing refresh rate, into laptops and such, we'll have to continue dealing with screen tearing or input lag.

Also, regarding downgrading to windows 7, is it as simple as booting off a install dvd, then installing win7, installing the bunch of lenovo drivers, and then done? Never used Win8 outside of Costco, and I don't know much about it besides it being locked to the computer or something. I'm assuming this is the "secure boot" you guys are talking about in windows.

How much faster is the 24gb SSD for caching compared to no SSD? I've only used the 2.5" form factor SSDs, and made those my main C drive.

 

It's not input lag. It's actual slowdown on the screen but only when it hits max fps. Which means it's not a performance/power issue, and it doesn't even reflect in the fps counter (the counter shows 60). Not every card or computer does this with vsync I think its' some sort of driver issue. I have encountered a few games now that don't do this.

 

Well, the slowdown of the screen is what makes it feel like the input is lagging. But anyway, yeah, the monitor has to wait for the GPU to fully render the frame, which may take a couple of extra refresh cycles and appear as if the whole computer is somewhat lagging behind inputs the user is making.

I'm also assuming the Y410p's monitor is 60hz?

 

Thanks for the info Dragon profile picture guy! So do you recommend I install graphic mods so my fps drops a little? I've pretty much fixed it now, its just that anything below 58fps in unplayable to me...... It's weird. And about the other games... Thank heavens, it's expected for Skyrim to have problems.... Pretty bad optimization..... And Jobine where is your avatar from? It looks..... Interesting....

 

It is 60 hz. It has nothing to do with input lag, it is just slowdown thats like fps slowdown but it doesnt show up in the fps counter, and it only happens at very high fps. You can not touch your mouse and notice it.

 

Hello again. I am planning on the getting the model with the Intel® Wireless-N 7260 (802.11bgn) Network Card, but noticed it only comes with a 62 Watt Battery. Where can I buy 72 Watt Batteries, and how much would they cost? Thanks!

 

You can buy them from Lenovo.com and they cost 70$ USD/CAD, free shipping for both countries.

IdeaPad Y400/Y410P/Y500/Y510P 6Cell Battery | Lenovo | (US)
IdeaPad Y400Y500 6Cell Battery | Lenovo | (CA)

Y500/Y400/Y510p/Y410p batteries are all interchangeable.

 

I don't see anywhere where they say how many watts it is. Those are the 72 watt and not 62 watt?

 

I don't know. Here are the FRU's from the HMM if you need them:

 

62Wh vs 72wh which is the difference in duration of the battery ?

 

Like 15%.

10char

 

I asked the same question lol. I want the 7260 and ssd, but the 72wh batt as well. The difference between the 62 and 72 is ~.5-1h says Jobine, depending on usage.

 

I have the 24GB M.2 NGFF caching my Samsung 500GB SSD as my C:\ drive. It's very fast, especially during boot-up.

 

No point caching solid state drive. Uninstall ExpressCache and use the NGFF as an extra storage partition or Linux drive.

 

Jobine, I believe those are actually 62wh batteries. (Part number: 0C19901). The model name on those are L12S6E01 (If you look at the specs, they are 58ah, so the math is 58 x 10.8Volts = 62.6

The part number L11L6R02 is the proper number for the 72wh battery.

 

I disagree. The more cache the better, especially as the m.2 is supposedly faster.

 

Yeah I'd recommended it, seeing that it's not a shooter it's not as important to have super smooth frame rates as opposed to a game like counter strike. With the mods my settings are also at ultra and without the filtering options and without AA..and I get 30-45 fps but the game looks beautiful


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Thank you. I searched the Internet to try and find someone selling the 72wh, but only place was a Chinese website. Does anyone know where I can get an official one?

 

When taking out the back panel, what happened when you damage the tabs? Would it make it so you cant reattach the back panel back to the case?

 

anyone know why there is a bar on top of my screen when scrolling or moving the mouse? How do I get rid of this because it seems to cut off the bottom of the screen/ taskbar. It shows up on everything and is the same color as my taskbar. All my drivers are updated and I have the 1600 x 900 windows 8.1. Thank You

 

and there is no way how to get lower BIOS version if you have V3?

 

Not without possibly bricking your system, no. Fortunately the V3 Bios should support the Intel 7260 Wireless-N (not AC) in case you need to upgrade WiFi. Check the hardware maintenance manual for the list of supported WiFi components.

 

But without the moded BIOS will Intel XTU works?
Im new to this one, i was using several years old I7 processors and q6600

 

You can use XTU without the modded BIOS, however you won't be able to adjust the TDP of your CPU, and you won't be able to disable cores either. But you will be able to undervolt and lower multipliers.

 

Thank you very much for your reply.

 

The M.2 standard is faster. that tiny 24GB SSD is not. You're caching a speedy SATA3 drive to a slower M.2 drive. Disable caching and use it as additional storage for something.

The autobahn has higher speed limits than my local free way. That doesn't automatically mean every car on the autobahn is faster than cars on the road here.

 

I had a problem, and I think I solved it. Probably not the "right" way, but it seems to have worked, so here's what happened in case anybody's interested.

Since upgrading to 8.1, I kept getting BSODs with the error DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE. After Googling around I found a seemingly limitless number of people also getting that error, each with a different solution that usually seemed to involve reading dump files and doing driver mumbo-jumbo. Then I found something that made sense, was simple enough to try, and easily reversible: The claim was that this had to do with changing power states, and turning off "fast startup" could fix it.

So I did that. Finding that control isn't totally trivial, so here's the recipe: control panel -> power options -> either "change what power buttons do" or "what closing the lid does" -> change settings not currently available (?? that's what it says, near the top) -> scroll down (I missed this scroll a few times) -> click button that turns on/off fast startup.

Of course, just after doing that, it promptly BSOD'd again with DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE.

But since then it's been like a proverbial rock, running smoothly with no BSODs for about a week, across many sleep/wake cycles. It probably just needed a reboot to take effect, and that crash caused one.

Looking at Windows help, I found that fast startup "helps your PC start up faster after shutdown. Windows does this by saving system info to a file upon shutdown so when you start your PC again, Windows uses that system info to resume your PC instead of restarting it."

Well, I'm just as glad I turned it off. When I do a restart, I want the blinkin' thing to restart, not resume.

 

Yeah, Love battery in China. I ordered mine from them, and it took about a week to get here. It says Lenovo on the battery, so I believe it's an official one. The part number is L11L6R02 and I am using it right now. I have not done a battery rundown test on it, but it definitely lasts longer than the 62wh battery. I would say Jobine is about right at 15-20% longer.

 

Hey everyone,

I've had this laptop for almost two months now and it has performed perfectly fine but I've been monitoring my GPU temps while gaming and they seem a little bit high for a new laptop. I understand laptop CPUs and GPUs can typically handle more heat but while playing games like Borderlands 2 on high settings I'm getting temperatures around 77 degrees Celsius with only about a 50-60% GPU load (This happens even when I elevate the laptop and disable turboboost). It gets even higher when playing Assassin's Creed 4 on normal for even a few minutes These temperatures definitely seem high for the loads that it is being put under. Am I correct in saying that? I don't want this laptop to burn out too quickly and have to replace it in a year so I've been looking at some options to get the temperature down.
Here is what I've come up with:

1. A cooling pad: I will probably get one anyways but will it help significantly in keeping the temperature down?

2. Replacing the thermal paste: I hear that companies like Lenovo do a terrible job of applying the thermal paste and usually use a low grade paste. It does
seem that the heat sink is not carrying as much hot air out as it could. I've also found that replacing it sometimes doesn't make a significant difference and it typically voids the warranty. Has anyone done this and seen a large temperature drop?

3. Unlocking the BIOS and setting the fan speed higher: I can tell that the fan is not running as high as it can for whatever reason and I might like to be able to manually set it. Will that be worth the trouble and do I risk anything by unlocking it?

I was hoping I could get a little advice on this and does anyone else have any suggestions?
Thanks!

 

Those temps seem fine to me. I wouldn't worry about GPU temps unless they start climbing above 90 C on a regular basis as the GPU starts throttling around 100 C. But if you insist:

1. It'll drop temps by a few degrees centigrade at most but nothing major.

2. This has the potential to drop your temps the most, assuming you have a bad paste job in the first place. A loose and/or improperly mounted heatsink could also cause poor heat dissipation, and this would be solved by tightening the heatsink screws or adding spacers to increase pressure on the die. Of course doing any of this voids your warranty, and nothing is guaranteed, so proceed at your own risk.

3. There is no setting to increase fan speed even in the unlocked BIOS. Nobody has figured out a way to make the fan spin as fast as it does during the dust removal procedure in Lenovo Energy Management.

 

Thanks for the advice! I wasn't sure if that was a bad since this is my first laptop with such powerful hardware.

 

If the laptop takes the Elan drivers can you change to the Synaptics? Or is it dependent on the internal hardware when the laptop was built?

Also is there a way to configure the touchpad to not allow movement on the bottom portion where the left click and right click are?

 

It is dependent on the internal hardware.