Lenovo Legion Y740 17" 15"

The determining factor for whether I will keep this one after it arrives is the fan noise under max load. Is it really that much better than every other brand?

 

The average gaming laptop fan acoustics is in the mid 50dB range. The y740 peak was around 48dB making it on average 50% quieter than most.

 

Thanks. How does that work out to 50%? Does it not scale linearly?

 

For every 10dB you increase, you double the volume from that previous dB.

20 is twice and loud as 10 and 30 is twice as loud at 20. 50 is twice as loud as 40.

Look it up.

 

At this point with all the delays, I think you are all wise to wait. Besides 9th gen, you have the y540 coming soon too and likely alternative screen options.

Perhaps a 60 or 120 hz 1440 screen would justify the 2070MaxQ or 2080MaxQ more than the 2060, as benches show that is when those gpus pull away a bit from the 2060.

I'd also like a true HDR screen, rather than feaux-dolby vision like it currently has.

With the plastic version (y540) coming, we may even see considerably lower prices. Between competition with the y740, or just a lower price point in the y540. If you don't care about the metal and premium build quality of the y740, it may be a good alternative.

I might just get a y540 and use it as my general purpose machine, while having something else for pure gaming.

 

y540 is 15inch screen...

only real reason to jump to y540 is if it's gen9 with 8cores and 1440p screen at 144hz which based off their preview page it looks all 1080p...maybe lenovo is just using that as placeholder. HDR meh...

 

That would never happen. The y740 is the premium model of the two. So no way there be 1440p and 8 core. The next 9th gen is still 6 core.
It will of course be plastic but it’ll have basic backlit keyboard and 2060 is its ONLY option. Just think y530. But I do t know if it’s keyboard will be without a numpad or not.


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Unless this is wrong: https://www.anandtech.com/show/13969/intel-details-new-9th-gen-cpus-for-notebooks-9980hk-9300h

The y540 at least in the preview shots has a numpad, I'm not banking on anything as far as core count / screen.

 

Oh there’ll be 8 core in 9th hen...just not in the y540 lol.

This is for those interested in the y540.

https://forums.lenovo.com/lnv/attac...LEGION Y540-15ICH_Intel_DS_4964-181224_LR.pdf

The only thing I’d change specs wise in the y740 ideally is

A qhd screen (unrealistically oled)

A colour customisable trackpad like in the Alienwares of last year. Not because I like the fancy lights which can be disabled anyway. But the material used stops the nasty wear/oil marks you would get from excessive use.

And obvious choice a larger battery.

And ideally the 2070 not holding back so much performance. Maybe 25% more performance giving it a timespy graphics score of about 8000. That would still only be about 83% of a stock desktop, making it still 20% faster as opposed to 50% faster currently in this max q form.

I wouldn’t personally want/need to upgrade so quickly because the laptop is very nearly perfect. And notebook review rating it 88% despite low battery is on the elite side of a laptops. It would easily of got 90% with a better battery.



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For anyone with bass production problem on this laptop.

I was disappointed with the bass production. There wasn't any really. I hooked it up to my stereo and my sub didn't even turn on. After some internet searching I solved it. Maybe it helps some of you to. In device manager from the bottom go to sound, video and game controllers, expand and right click the Realtek audio thingy. Go to properties then driver tab, update driver, and instead of searching on the internet just install the basic high definition driver by browsing my computer, let me pick below, then top one, high definition audio device. Not anything with Realtek in front of the driver name. You get a message about compatibility but it actually solves the problem. Laptop sounds much better and you can actually turn on bass boost again like in the early days. Not needed cause it already sounds much better then that Realtek crap driver. My sub turned on like it should to.

 

True, but the y740 17" is ugly and has QC problems. I returned mine a few weeks ago. If I wanted 17", I would go to another manufacturer.

The y740 15" is a very attractive prospect, with thin bezels, more used real estate on the keyboard face, etc. So that is why I'm interested in the y540, since it will likely just end up being a cheaper y740 15". Not to mention, most reports of backlight bleed have been for the 17", while several positive reviews of the 15" have shown the problem to seemingly be much less widespread.

 

Why did you return yours?

 

My ship date is still saying April 30th. Yes that is a ridiculous wait, 11 weeks from order date, and I am beyond frustrated with the lack of communication from Lenovo, but I have decided to wait for it. There are just no other laptops out currently that I am interested in, to me the Lenovo is the best looking gaming/professional laptop out currently. And with my USAA discount on the y740 its hard for anything else to compete. As for waiting for the i9, other screen options, or whatever other updates are coming in the future, those don't really matter to me, an i7, with a 2070 mq will will blow away my current laptop, I am upgrading from a 7+ year old Toshiba with an core i3 and integrated Intel graphics. My main reason for upgrading is to get into VR, that and the current laptop is physically breaking lol.

 

I have the PB71EF-G from Clevo/Sager. It's the only comparable machine that has gsync, and the full 2070 is on par with and can beat the 80W 2080MQ. If you have any questions let me know.

I was planning on receiving this laptop as well and comparing both while within the 30 day return window, however this laptop is going to ship so late that that would probably be impossible. The only advantage that I really see of the y740 over my clevo is that at max fan I believe it runs quieter.

 

I did a full review and a lot of feedback like 40 + pages ago.

The 17" is pretty underpowered, even with the 2080 Max Q for its price. The gap between 2060 and 2080MQ with the same processor isn't enormous in real world use. The 17" screen doesn't open smoothly, has a ton of back light bleed, fake HDR (15" does as well), huge ugly bezels, and a ton of dead space on the keyboard face. It isn't bad by any means, but the 15" has a lot of pluses with few negatives in comparison. I figure if you're going for that form factor, you might as well just get something more powerful. The 15" is about the same size as a 14" laptop that I have because of its small bezels, whereas the 17" is as large as an Alienware Area-51m (actually a bit longer, and a tiny bit less wide). I still recommend it if you really want 17" and can get a nice discount, but I think there are slim bezeled, better looking, and higher performance 17" out there.

 

yea the y740 was never gonna be a winner your book...frankly it never had a chance.

 

Thanks. How did you find the fan noise to be?

 

Can the 8750 in this machine sustain 3.9 ghz full turbo?

 

Well I was the first one here to get one and it was before 2080MQ was thoroughly benched. I also didn't realize just how big it would be, needlessly, because of the bezels. Then it had poor build quality.

So, it had a chance. That's why I bought it, it just had numerous issues that were not common knowledge at that time.

 

No and most laptops can’t. The 8750h needs about 80w undervolted to pull that off.

 

Wow, that’s insane lol.

 

Found this on a Reddit thread, looks like the delays are at least in part due to huge delays on processors from Intel and are affecting all manufactures not just Lenovo. Seems like delays could get worse too. Just wish Lenovo would be more transparent about this.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/287445-intel-cpu-shortage-could-worsen-in-q2-2019-arm-amd

 

Yes, this might explain the delays especially when Intel have to start baking 9th gen mobile cpus in parallel with 8th gen. I guess their manufacturer capacities are running on 100% now and they still can't meet the industry demands, which is not good for end user in so many ways..

 

yea, uh huh... as you say...

 

The 17inch indeed has larger bezels, larger then the 15inch. But they are still alot smaller then laptops of previous generation like msi gt72.

Every review I read says it has good build quality. Maybe you were just unlucky, dunno.

 

Greetings all,

Many thanks for all the members who have created this incredible community around the new Levono Y740 laptop!

I've joined the forums out of appreciation and in the hopes I can learn from everyone here.

Like others, I had settled on Lenovo's Y740 (15") laptop as a new next-level laptop upgrade for my humble stable of equipment. That decision was made in no small part due to the open and excellent reviews and feedback posted here by everyone.

In December I actually had a standing order with Dell for a maxed out Alienware 15 laptop with the Intel i9-8950HK process, 32GB RAM, and a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GDDR5X Max-Q card.

Then I saw review after review about the heat/cooling performance, etc. and for the $$$ being dropped on it, had a serious change of heart, cancelled the order, and went back to the search.

After a few months I found what seems to still be a powerful sleeper notebook that is the Y740 and was impressed enough to order it since it seemed to balance the size, styling, cooling, and performance I was really looking for.

A order was made for a maxed out Y740 15" in March at under 1/2 the price (with all the service and warranties added) of the Alienware 15 model and my original Lenovo ship date was March 19th. Like others, that has now slipped to April 30th. But I remain stoked and will keep patiently waiting.

In the meantime I'm continuing follow this forum thread daily to learn things and consume the additional reviews that are trickling in.

I'm an experienced sysadmin in my daily life and my personal systems are an older maxed out Dell Studio 13 (1558) running 8 GB RAM and an older Intel Core i7 720QM. I also have a Dell XPS 17" L702X laptop running 16 GB RAM and another older Intel Core i7-2820QM processor. Both still run fast (SSD's are amazing performance boosters) and solid after all these years on Win 10 after all these years. The Studio remains my "daily driver" with it's size and the larger XPS is my field unit when I need to do heavier work.

I would like to ask you all for some needed guidance and help with the Y740 I've ordered.

I've not been able to get into over/under-clocking with my current systems, nor have I really needed to.

However, after all the most excellent reports and feedback from this forum, it seems that I'd really like to take advantage of the (slightly) longer battery life and (slightly) cooler operating temperatures the Y740 offers by underclocking the CPU slightly -- if I'm understanding what I've been reading and seeing reported in the video reviews is correct.

Since that isn't something I've done before, does anyone have any basic guides, video-walkthroughs, or recommended reference materials you could share with me on a sweet starting point to safely step though a stable set of changes needed on a Y40 system to accomplish that?

I think there would be awesome value for those of us who know enough to be dangerous with our systems but are inexperienced enough to do damage. I've downloaded the Y740 manual and am working my way through as I wait, but your wisdom and experience could same me worlds of frustration and grief as I get started down that path! I'm also old enough to have learned the value in asking for gracious help from others.

Likewise I see a lot of comments about folks doing a wipe and OS/driver reload to ensure it starts out clean...as well as comments about uninstalling some of the extra system/hardware management packages it comes with. I'm totally cool with that.

Any recommendations or pros/cons from Y740 users on what system software is worth keeping or shedding? Or would it be worth my while to just drive it around stock for a while

I'm hopeful that when my own Y740 finally arrives I can do some posts as well about it and pay this community back.

Cheers!

 

I don’t have the y740 but undervolting is extremely easy. Google the notebookcheck ThrottleStop guide. For the most part you’re basically just lowering the cpu core and cache voltage by -.125, and as long as that’s stable you’re good to go. You can undervolt less if you’re getting BSOD. there’s a ton more customization options but in its simplest form thats what you’d do. There’s also like a 900 page ThrottleStop thread on these boards.

 

Thank you scarletfever! I've found the ThrottleStop guide you referenced and am going through it now.

 

Undervolting really is an easy way to improve temperatures.
Here a nice video from Bob of all Trades explaining undervolting step by step ( )

 

Bob has a pretty good video on undervolting the GPU as well, but I found that process to be a little more confusing until I did some more research on the msi afterburner voltage curve. I'm still not convinced mine is set up perfectly.

 

@scarletfever & @Alex555 thank you both for digging up the Bob of all Trades video. That will be a great help to me following alongside the ThrottleStop guide.

I plan to make my way back through his (and other in-game) video reviews that have comments on tweaks made to the Y740 and take notes on the voltage tweaks they mention that highlighted undervolting for cooling and (again, slight) battery life gain.

A very long time ago I had built a Shuttle SFF system that I think offered some CPU voltage tweaks possible to set in the BIOS so I assumed that is where these adjustments were made. Never would have even thought to look for a utility like ThrottleStop.

(un)Fortunately, with my end-of-April delivery date, it looks like I have some time to work on the homework you have given me.

Cheers!

 

*Updated* Just got off the phone with them, as usual they were unable to provide an exact reason for the delay but assured me they would ship as soon as possible, estimated date is still 4/30. After asking to speak with a supervisor I was offered a discount for the inconvenience. I am keeping my order and will wait it out, especially now with the additional discount. Their website still says ships in 3 weeks, which is obviously misleading so if you are thinking about ordering one just keep in mind that it will most likely not ship within 3 weeks.

Checked my email this morning and got this from Lenovo:

Unfortunately, we haven't been able to ship all or part of your order. You are a valued customer, and we are working to ship your order as soon as possible.

However, if we don't hear from you within the next five days, Federal regulations require us to automatically cancel the remainder of your order. If you'd like to keep your order open, just send us an email by clicking below.


Current ship date is still April 30th. On the phone with them now trying to get more information.

 

How much was your discount worth?
And what’s there been anybody in the uk able to get a discount and of what value from the delays?
I rang up once but never spoke to a supervisor so just trying to gauge what I can expect.



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The new discount was ~$111 US, don't remember the exact amount but will update later when they email confirmation if its different. The first time I asked for a manager they said the manager couldn't give me any additional information on my ship date, I told them that was fine and all but I wanted to speak to a manager or someone that could authorize a discount or warranty extension for the extreme delay and inconvenience they have caused me, they said they would talk to their manager and put me on hold, they returned and said they got approval for the discount. This discount is in addition to the $530 US from my Military Family discount not sure if that affects the discount that they offered me but just putting it out there.

 

I really look forward to the 7nm GPUs from Nvidia, except for very good thermal\noise-performance on the Y740 the small performancegains in games is not currently worth it for me. 5-7dB lower noise during load is tempting. Been searching for reasons to buy a Y740 for weeks now, hmm, guess I should way a bit.

 

Thing is when is NVidia going to release the next gen GPU’s?
If it’s another 2-3 years in between like last time not sure if it’s worth waiting , but always do best for you.

 

Given RTX mobile chips literally just got released, i don't think you're going to see new GPUs for a very long time. It sounds like you don't really need a laptop though, so maybe just hold off, but entirely up to you. I'm in the same boat. I have a desktop I'm using, but just don't have much of a reason to get a laptop just yet.

 

I think it will take less time than that. Nvidia released Maxwell i fall 2014, mobile launched shortly after. Pascal came in spring 2016 and mobile in late summer, mobile performed almost on pair with desktop. Turing mobile launched half a year later and performance of the mobile-parts are way below desktop-parts. Problem with turing\RTX is that the improves in efficiency was very small compared to pascal. 12nm is not actually 12nm but rather a slightly refined 16nm. 7nm is an actual shrink of size and will allow for much higher speeds in laptops compared to turing. I hope to see next gen early next year and mobile perhaps next summer, that would have been awesome

 

Anyone played the division 2 on their y740. Just want to compare stock performance without undervolt or any overclock. I’m getting mine with a 2070 mq. But I don’t mind a 2060 for comparison.
If you can run the in game benchmark in dx 11 and then 12 on ultra preset I’ll appreciate that.

Thanks.


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I ended up returning the 2070 Max-Q and kept the 2060 as the performance difference was literally 3-4 fps in Division 2 specifically and a fair bit less costly. Anthem was about 5 fps better with the 2070 Max-Q. After they offered a further reduction to keep the 2060 it made the difference in price a staggering $376 so Lenovo made the decision for me lol

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TSMC's 16nm was not a shrink compared to their 20nm, either. So we have "12nm" parts with the planar dimensions of 20nm TSMC parts (though with FinFETs). 10nm represents TSMC's first real shrink vs the past few nodes, though it apparently is unloved, so they are ditching that rapidly in favor of their 7nm DUV (in the long term, "12nm" @ TSMC should outlive their own 10nm).

Of course, we also have to consider Samsung, who Nvidia still makes their 14nm Pascal parts with (GP107, GP108 - rest are at TSMC). AMD's RX590 was dual sourced form GF and Samsung (when in development, they probably expected the mining boom to necessitate adding volume via Samsung and paying their 14nm WSA penalty to GF).

 

Pretty sweet deal. Hoping they tell me something like that. I got the aw15 r4 with 1070. Everything stock no unfervolt and in the benchmark I get 70 FPS in dx 11 and 77 FPS in dx12 ultra day preset.

I’m going to assume it’s not that much more with the 2070 or 2060. But the y740 is lighter and smaller and generally better. So I need it in hand to see if it’s worth the cost if at all or stick especially with this predicted may arrival. It’s not even April yet.
That’s why trying to figure out now what people are getting. What do you get with the 2060 in dx 12 ultra preset?




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Alright so on my 2060 I got 73 fps at ultra in dx12, and 69 in dx11. I would take that with a grain of salt though. Temperatures spiked to a maximum of 86.
As I showed in my review, these don't seem to benchmark well, but actual gameplay is much better than my 1070 Alienware 15 R3 that I had previously. I'm sure some of it had to do with the 8750H vs 7820HK but still, the screen, the weight/size, the portability, the inputs, all superior with the Lenovo.

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So I had ordered the 17” y740 on March 17th. I got the 2060, 500g ssd, 16g ram, and 3 year service plan. It was totaled at $1450 due to military discount. As per y’alls guidance I called to complain about the delay. They told me it was put at April 30 but they expect it to be sooner, they just posted that late date to avoid disappointment. And they offered me an extra $107 off, bringing it to $1343! Can’t beat that! Thanks guys!

 

I also plan on running throttlestop. I know this laptop doesn’t really need it, but I figure less heat and improved battery life and fan noise is always a good thing.

 

Exactly that for me too. The size etc for the Lenovo is favourable. But is it worth the value of £700 difference? If the cpu is playing a huge factor...which it is.
I could just wait for the 9th gen and take advantage of the 2.4ghz over the 8750h.
My 8750h with 1070 did better than a guys desktop with 4690k and 1070 on YouTube. So cpu definitely factors in this game.
What you reckon, an extra 10 FPS with that much more? Surely that kind of boost is worth more than 5fps (with a 2070).
I’ll have to see what others are getting with cpu with higher scores to get a vague idea.


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Placed an order for 15". I liked a lot of what I had with the 17", but wanted all the positives of the 15". The 2080MQ wasn't the large jump over the 2060 I expected, so the lower price and positives was an easy choice.

Customer service was SUPER good via chat. Adjusted my order to get it just right and upgraded to expedited shipping. Expected ship date 4/4/19. Paid about $1515, base spec with 3 yr on site/3 year accidental.

This should handle AT LEAST 1080p/60 for the next few years, riiiight? I'm going to use this for school, work, gaming, and to plug in to my projector. As long as it hits the refresh rate of my projector I'll be happy!

Ignore these random musings if you want, or help me make bad decisions:
Returned my Area-51m from Dell and leaning on cancelling the one from Xotic... :'( Great laptop, exceeded expectations, but the gap between something half as expensive with far more utility on the go and professional looking wasn't enough performance wise. It's just so damn pretty in Lunar White though... So keep both Legion AND Area-51m??? Keep Legion, build desktop? Run Legion only?!

 

i have a corsair one elite with the 8700k and 1080ti, i really wanted to keep the rtx 2060 legion 15" but ended up returning it. i got quoted for a 2070 maxQ legion for $1440 and im considering replacing my desktop with it because i do travel a few times a month but im still cant make a decision either

 

Keep us posted if your ship date gets pushed back. My ship date for a customized 15", 2070 mq, 16GB ram, 500GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Win Pro, ordered on 2/13 is still on 4/30.

 

Current price for Y740 with 2070 Max-q is $1535, can use coupon "EXTRA5" for further reduction. But that 3 week waiting time...