Lenovo Legion Y740 17" 15"

Wow, almost 30% performance increase seems crazy and will likely solidify the cancellation of my current order if nothing can be done to upgrade it to the new cpu. It'd annoy me to have a new product that was already outdated by the time it actually shipped.

On the flip-side I wonder if the i7-9750H is going to get even hotter and more difficult to cool, especially if it is just stuck into laptops that were designed to meet the needs of the previous intel gen.

 

I don`t think the 9750H will be that much faster than the 8750H unless the 8750H had severe throttling issues. From the specs so far it seems the 9750H has 200MHz higher turbospeed on one core and perhaps even higher than 200MHz on all cores and it has 12mb vs 9mb L3-cache. Specs are in between 8850H and 8950HK. My Guess would be 5-10% higher performance in apps and in games With a 2080-GPU. Lenovos excellent cooling-performance means we will probably not see any temp-throttling, but TDP under combined CPU\GPU-loads will probably be an issue.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-8950HK-vs-Intel-Core-i7-8750H/m486215vsm470418

If Lenovo use it in the Y740 and leave power-limits etc like before, then performance would be very similar in games due to TDP-limit and slightly better in apps when GPU is not running. If Lenovo decides to increase TDP on CPU while gaming we might see and improvement at lower settings and resolutions, at very high settings there will probably be no difference since Lenovo uses the 2080max-q 80W-version which is not CPU-bottlenecked by the 8750H at high settings\high res.

 

I've seen several reviews on youtube where they comment on this or/and you can see this yourself when they open and close the lid.

 

Strange, d2d, mat moniiz and own or disown all said it was a good build quality.

 

It's definitely a good build quality for sure; it's just that the hinge is a little on the loose side and if you open it up, it will bounce for a second. It's nothing bad at all and nothing to be worried about, just a small nitpick.

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Yeah but it’s not really excessive unless your using resistance.
I’ve seen other notebooks with this. Only difference is if the laptop is bad all around then that doesn’t help. Where as if it’s good then it’s not really a big deal it’s just picking out something to be critical about if it has to because no laptop is perfect. And for some people they may want to see the quality in build like that. But it’s thin laptop (the lid is at least)
But as I type this I just thought it’s better to have some screen flexibility than non because if it did have enough resistance on a firmer lid. Would it be more likely susceptible to damage to the screen/frame bending



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fair point a stiffer hinge could cause panel damage or damage connectors. Like some MacBooks suffer. Or other laptops that use mixed medias of plastic and metal stresses on the plastic causing it to break off.

 

Hey people,

sorry to ask this again but in the last 3 months it seems no one can give a clear answer to a really simple question.
As i red a comment last weekend im not sure if i will cancel my order or not.

Are the fans always running (when the laptop is turned on) ?
Doing nothing, Idle, light work.

Would be nice if someone could answer this finally to me. With hw monitor or another tool you can check the RPMs if you don't hear it.

Thanks!


Nice week for you, i hope for everyone who's waiting that they will reduce the estimated shipping date.

 

Fans are likely always on just running so low during idle or low work. Because the Legion so far according to reviews has been said to be a very quiet and cool system.

 

Thank you, really this is the first clear answer to this easy question.
I have red a lot that it is super quiet (Bobs words) in idle but my ears are special sensitive and when the laptop is doing nothing i couldn't understand why the management isn't turning them off.

The fans of the current competitors gigabyte, razer, alienware, are totally off during low work. Before the CPU / GPU doesn't hit 55° C.
Little bit sad that the Y740 isn't able to turn them off even not in optimus mode.
But we or just i have to decide - quieter fans in high loads or totally passive cooled but high pitched fans at the other laptops.

 

According to many reviews, the Legion Y740 is a solid quiet gaming laptop due to excellent cooling and being thermally efficient - when work load is nominal or machine is idling, for that matter. When the laptop is under a full load, it doesn't get nearly as loud as other laptops. You can hear the sounds from the speakers without any interference of the fans.

BTW, I cancelled my Legion Y740 17" order today. I decided to wait on the i7-9750h chipset. The Support Rep went as far as knocking off 100.00 from my total if I decided not cancel; this is an additional discount to the 115.00 and added 100.00 gift card.

 

I don't know much about cpus, anyone know whether it would be possible for 9th gen cpus will run cooler and more thermally efficient than 8th gen ones? I heard that the 8th gen ones were quite hot, so whether it is possible to improve the thermal side of things?

Also do we have a release date for the 9th gen laptops? Someone mentioned april 21st a few pages back but wasn't sure whether this was just the cpu annoucement or whether we will get a few laptops as well.

 

21st should be CPU availability...

the y740's cooling is solid, it's been said a few times. 9750h only does about 10-15% better and even then, I am not sure if folks are even gonna notice if we are still on 1080p panels.

 

Utilizing on 45W parts and targeted for most high-end gaming laptop designs, I'm certain this processor will run cool. In comparison to the i7-8750H, the i7-9750H will be 6 core as well - however, it will have a turbo boost up to 4.5GHz, 12MB of cache and speculated to be 28% faster than the i7-8750H and, 50% faster to the i7-7700HQ.

Wccftech said Intel's Core i7-9750H will be announced on or around the 21st of April (Intel may move this date around a bit), with stock availability from May.
https://wccftech.com/exclusive-inte...nced-around-21st-april-availability-from-may/

 

Contacting Lenovo they've said 500 nit screens should be available next month but cannot update current orders. So likely similar to i7-9750h along with it's already ordered they cannot change the configuration according to the sales rep I spoke with.

 

Exactly, that's why I canceled mine. Looks like Office Depot posted the Y740 with 9th Gen. + GTX 1660Ti:
https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/5179563/Lenovo-Legion-Y740-17IRH-Gaming-Laptop/

 

I got an Estimated Delivery of 05/10/2019 when I tried to order the 9th gen Intel Y740 from Office Depot... that's the ETA on my 8th gen order so I went ahead and cancelled. Might as well wait I guess. The models will probably start selling on the Lenovo site in the next couple of weeks once official announcements from Intel come out.

 

Then hopefully they'll have good discounts after that

 

Have to actually see if that's true in the upcoming month.

 

True they said they'll send me info on the panels

 

I think they say that to a lot of people and then not do anything.

I also think the real problem is that will Lenovo upcharge to get the 500 nit screen and what resolution will that screen be.

I'm somewhat not convinced, the cpu looks like a 6c right now and the gpu's end up the same. Then it comes down to the screen which if it's not 1440p kinda hard to wait for unless it comes standard and even then is that gonna be 60hz or 144hz/122hz?

after that would be keyboard/build quality/battery which would be pluses but not still not really enough.

 

9th gen Passmark results: https://www.notebookcheck.net/9th-Gen-Intel-Core-i7-9750H-appears-on-PassMark.416002.0.html

Almost 2k points higher than 8750h, quite impressive if this holds true. Pretty much guarantees this will be a 6 core and almost catches up to the 8th gen i9.

 

Is the GTX 1660ti performance equal or worse compared to the RTX 2060?

 

Well right now the 1660ti performs almost at 1070 levels according to benchmark with the 2060 doing similar if not reaching between 1070-1080 performance levels.

In short a little slower to being nearly as fast just without The RT cores.

 

I don`t see how it can be cooler or as cool as the 8750H since they are based on the exact same technology (14nm+++). Also how it can be 28% faster than 8750H unless 8750H is severely thermal or TDP-throttled is also a mystery. The 8950HK has better specs than the 9750H but even with overclocking it is not close to 28% faster than the 8750H https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-8950HK-vs-Intel-Core-i7-8750H/m486215vsm470418 (16% in singlecore when overclocked). For comparison: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8750H-vs-Intel-Core-i7-8700K/m470418vs3937 The i7 8700K 95W desktop is on average 29% faster than the 8750H, it is impossible for a mobile chip that uses less than half the power and is based on the exact same technology to be as fast. Unless the i7 9750H suddenly is based on 10nm I cannot see that this level of performance is realistic.

 

There is one way that the 9750H can outperform the 8750H: If Intel support higher RAM-speeds by default on their 9-series chipsets. There are cl16 3200-kits available for SO-DIMM available. If you pair a 9750H with at 3200cl16-kit and run it against a 8750H with a 2400cl17 or 2666cl19-kit there will be a quite large performance-difference in certain apps and games, but this will mostly be due to the RAM-speed and timings, not the CPU.

 

Agreed. This also jives more with what we've seen previously about the leaks; a Passmark score of 14,118 with the i7-9750H vs the 12,484 for the i7-8750H makes it about 13% more powerful. That is a direct translation of the IOPS difference we saw from leaked details.
This is definitely a good boost with a turbo clocked at 4.5GHz and base being 2.6GHz, but it will certainly be throttled due to thermals as with Intel's current offerings until we see a smaller chip.

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So the bit with this is the increase is measured using 3200 Ram modules or something .

 

Anyone own the previous gen of Legion, just wondering what the longevity of these laptops are. A bit disappointed by the standard 1 year warranty, doesn't exactly shout confidence in their product.

 

Just about all the laptop makers have one year warranty.

Y730 Legion was a bit underpowered which they changed with this generation.

 

Not sure where you are, but here in the us Lenovo offers a 3 year in home service warranty for 94$, which is 1/3 the price of dell, and 1/6 the price of Alienware’s.

 

Everyone offers 1 year warranties...depending on where you live it can be 2 years.

MSI used to be 2 years factory warranty.

Most companies offer up to 3 years warranty and up to 3 years of accidental damage on gaming machines which are considered consumer equipment. Only exception I've seen is Dell. Not sure about batteries which are kinda slippery slope territory.
Workstations can get up to 5 years and up to 2 years on the battery.

 

prices for warranty extension in germany are the same (according to the lenovo software):
Upgrading from 2 to 3 years costs 34€, and adding on site service for 3 years 59€. Both prices are very reasonable and fair, so after my return period i will definitely extend the warranty!

 

My ship date is still 4/12 but is still just showing "Ordered", it hasn't moved to "Build" or anything like that yet, anyone else seeing the same?

 

Damn. I just called because I was considering canceling. I ordered the 17” because I thought it came with the sub but the 15 didn’t (silly, I know, but I’m a stickler for sound.... and found out I was mistaken). Well damn if they didn’t offer me another $145 off. So, 2k laptop that I’m getting for $1250 ($1350 after tax). That includes military discount, $100 gift card, $145 extra off. Damn. How could I cancel that?

 

I'm pretty sure it does come with a sub though, you can see it here next to one of the fans(17" model)
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenov...0H-RTX-2080-Max-Q-Laptop-Review.410791.0.html

And yeah it comes down to what you value more, better hardware or better price. I've been waiting a really, really long time to get a new dedicated gaming pc, and I think I'd rather have better hardware, especially since the time gap between when I bought it and when it gets improved, is so short that the system is basically outdated by the time it ships.

 

Having a sub doesn't do much if you don't have a good external sound setup in the first place.

 

For me, good speakers are important. I don’t expect it to compete with my kefs and my hsu sub, or my chanes and emotiva, but I expect to be able to enjoy the sound reasonably while gaming. Some laptops I’ve had were good enough, like my xps l502x, while others like my sager clevo p650 were just painful to listen to. In those situations with tinny weak speakers it’s irritating the whole time.

 

Anyone that has the Y740 17 w/the rtx2070MQ have high thermals when gaming? I did have the Asus 17.3 Strix Scar 2 w/ the 2060, but then after about a week found the same one with the rtx2070 for about the same price. So, I returned the 2060 for that one. But, the 2070 CPU temps would get up to 95 degrees on occasion and that worried me. I read where some folks repaste, but that seems akward to have to do on a brand new machine. I've never owned an Asus or Lenovo, so as far as warranty and customer service goes I'm not sure which is better. I've always had good experiences out of Alienware, but you also seem to pay more for the brand. The Strix Scar 2 seems to have a really good price point for what you get. It just seemed to run on the hotter side. It would find around 70-85 just browsing and watching YouTube.

I'm hoping the Y740 has better thermals.

And I also got the 3 yr on-site warranty with the Y740. The laptop a d warranty came out about the same as the Asus was and I didn't purchase an extended warranty on that .

 

wouldn't buy the 2070 version its only 10% faster than the 2060. From what I remember repasting doesn't do much on y740. Asus doesn't even offer extended warranties last time I checked. They definitely don't offer Asus care at least in North America.

If you check the earlier threads most note the y740 to have pretty good thermals.

Also there are delays on on the y740 some folks aren't getting theirs till at least May, I know I put my order in Last month and mine shows a delivery date of May 2nd. So if you haven't bought it I would just wait for a new model.

 

Yeah mine is showing a delivery date of May 17. It was just ordered yesterday. But, I'm ok waiting .I still have my desktops that I game on also.

 

Call every 2 weeks, and ask what’s the hold up, and they’ll keep dropping the price.

 

You should not be doing a repaste, Lenovo did a good job with this model:


Of course you still have a chance of receiving unit with bad paste job, but that's what you have warranty for ;-)

 

I'll have to give this a try .Thx

 

Anyone with an 8750h needs to undervolt

 

Which tells you how the i7-9750h will perform. Just like the rest of 9th Gen. And if it is that also means no Hyper Threading.

 

Well, if the 9th gen mobile cpus are like the desktop 9th gen you get 2 more cores but sacrifice HT.
That results in usually better gaming performance, as "real cores" perform better than HT "cores". I expect the 9th gen to run as cool/hot as the 8th gen - undervolting is needed to get it cooled properly.
As long as intel is stuck with 14nm, I wouldn´t expect big performance improvements.

 

Any update on your shipping. Mine expected is 25 April and status says 'Released to Manufacturing'. I had called up Lenovo guys sometime back, they mentioned manufacturing delays due to Screen Bleed issues.

 

Mine still just says status is "ordered" and ship date is still today 4/12. I'm going to call them shortly and will update with any new info I can get

 

Just spoke with Lenovo, they said my laptop should ship today and confirmed the additional 7% discount and $100 gift card. I asked that they upgrade me to expedited shipping due to the long delay, they said they are unable to change to order since its been placed already but would make a note and attempt to get it expedited. Ill post an update if it ships today.

Edit: I just checked my tracking and it now says ships 4/13