Lenovo Legion Y740 17" 15"

I disagree with this the real core vs. virtual debate leaves a lot of context to be desired.

 

Did anyone cancel their order and waiting for the new 9th gen CPU's?

Im waiting on a replacement Y740 15" 2060, tempted to cancel and see the pricing and specs on the 9th gen cpus

 

On the fence. Right now what I got off on the system is worth more than the possibility of waiting months for it to be low priced again.

 

I cancelled. Waiting for the 9th Gen. as well.

 

A 9th gen CPU will very likely run hotter than the current 8750H, correct?

Going to call lenovo, if they give me a further discount ill probably stick with it. Have heard some people got an extra $150 off.

25% + 9% ebates + $150, cant really complain about that.

 

9th gen CPU sounds good on paper, but do remember the current gen can't run full turbo on a heavy CPU load, so I wouldn't expect adding cores to improve the situation at all

 

Me too, my order was made on Feb 11 and the last shipping date was May 2nd. Lenovo Malaysia didn't event go into discussions about discount, and with such long delay and no discounts (you guys are lucky) I took it as personal insult and just canceled order...

 

It's pretty much a six-core....

I don't see a point in moving because the screens look like they are going to be the same. If it's still 1080p panels then there isn't much reason to wait for new model.

Side note: my gift card came today from lenovo. I haven't requested any additional off, but I am thinking about it.

 

The pic of the Y540 shows a numpad on the 15", current 15" has the dumb macro keys to the left and no numpad. If there is in fact a numpad on the newer 15", I would be tempted to swap and get that one.

 

Yes, 6 cores with 12 threads. And gaming performance with the 8750H is very good, sacrificing HT for 2 more cores might improve gaming performance quite a bit, but lets see what intel does.
Though the panel is 1080p, it offers a 144hz refreshrate, so more CPU performance wont go to waste. I wouldnt change the 1080p 144hz for any higher res panel, especially on the 15 inch version a higher resolution doesnt make sense (gaming wise).

 

It’s actually an 8 more CPU on the higher end of things, which is what most gaming laptops would use.

IMO 1080p is a sweet slots cause running 1440p at 144HZ isn’t something most gaming laptops can do

 

8 "more" (core) CPU -what's your source for that? I've come across the i7-9750H is 6 core, 12MB cache and furthermore, it's questionable whether it will have Hyper-threading.. we'll see next week hopefully.

 

Order status still just says "Ordered" with a expected ship date of yesterday 4/13, wish they would have just left the date as 4/30 instead of getting my hopes up and with 4/12 then 4/13

 

I was talking about the i9 that I think we will see as a higher end option due to the large number of i9 options that will be released soon

 

Just called Lenovo AGAIN (Id love to see their notes about me on my order), ship date online still shows 4/13 but it hasn't shipped, the agent said that she checked with the shipping team and it will sip by 4/30 now. Asked to speak to a manager to get the 7% discount they offered last time increased since they missed both the 4/12 and 4/13 ship dates, got put on hold and she came back and raised the discount to 10%. I'm OK waiting if they keep raising that discount

 

There isn't a large number of options. There is just the H and HK version. If those are the 8core cpu's for the 9th gen those are gonna be it, and you will probably end up paying a premium to get that over the i7 9750, which is still on 14nm


@Alex555
and no if your on the 15inch train 1440p doesn't make sense...granted 15inch market doesn't make any sense in general but that's a whole different discussion.

Still a-bit unsure about that 500nit screen but that is probably about as good as we're gonna get if they role it out on the next gen.

 

Darn, 14nm is growing old... They were stuck on 14nm for god knows how long. Hopefully 10nm is a worthy upgrade

 

Anyone else having issues of waking up with 400 MHz core and 300 MHz memory clock rates on the GPU? It's rather annoying to have to constantly open MSI Afterburner to check the speeds and potentially restart. Always goes back to the standard 960/7000 MHz after restarting but it shouldn't be doing that.

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Why do you need to restart? Mine shows 300/405 when I wake from hibernate (I have a clevo), but I get max speeds when starting a game.

 

Unfortunately it stays locked to that even while gaming, obviously being super low fps at that time. I have to restart and I have tried looking at different settings to no avail.

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I have encountered the same problem once yesterday.
Overwatch was only getting 20-30fps though normally i have 100+ fps. GPU-Z showed voltage/power and thermal throttling then, dont know why it did that.
After a restart, everything was back to normal again.

 

Having owned the aw13 r3 with oled 1440p in a 13” screen, I’d disagree. Sure, the oled help the presentation on the image but 1440p made my image look 2x better than 1080p (of curse it was natively speaking)
But even natively on the aw15 15” screen, 1080p on ultra appeared a bit fuzzy/blurry in some games.
I’d rather take the small hit going there than the huge hit of 4K and it looks nearly as good as 4K (setting for setting).
Personally I think we’ve been with 1080p toooo long for gaming in comparison to when laptops lost 16:10 ratio to 16:9 at 1368x768p. That was the standard and 1080p was like the 4K. But it didn’t take that long before 1080p became common.
It’s the reason why our gpu generation has slowed down because if we’re stuck happily on 1080p there’s not much point going that far forward in power, which is what we want.
Wouldn’t you want a game to run at 4K with excess of 144fps or are your eyes happy with 1080p and 144fps? Because for me personally I’d be happy to pla 4K with 80fps rather than 1080p 144fps.
If I spend a lot of money. I have to see it. And I can always drop to 1080p if I need more.



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Yay for wildly inaccurate shipping estimates! Just got the shipping email from Lenovo, my laptop shipped out today from China and the ups tracking says it will arrive by eod 4/22. Meanwhile my order status on Lenovos order tracker is "Ordered" with a ship date of 4/13 and speaking to support yesterday they said it would ship on 4/30... lol, oh well, cant wait for Monday!

 

Finally

 

This is may be a more odd question, does anyone else's fan make a fairly quiet high pitch whine at low speeds?
It's pretty quiet so during the day it's fine, but I tend to leave my laptop on at night and it bothers me when I'm trying to fall asleep.
Curious if this is normal or if I should open it up and see if there's some way to remedy it.

 

Are you sure of fans making high pitched whine. High pitch whine usually source from any component which have a coil and fan certainly one of them. Do you keep laptop plugged in over night, try if you can pinpoint which part of laptop makes it. Cheers.

 

I'm fairly confident it's the fan as the noise goes away when I ramp up the fans using fn+q and then as the fans wind down I can hear a high pitch tone.
Overall the laptop it still quiet in day to day use, it's just the fans generating a specific frequency of noise.

 

I have waited 776 posts for the discussion to come to this point.
There aren't many informations in the web about it. Nearly everyone is happy that it is a quiet gaming laptop. That's why i have ordered it too. But no one is talking about idling.
It seems normal for many people that the fans of a laptop which is doing like nothing and the CPU + GPU is below 50° C are still running and the laptop over all is producing noise.
A sound sensitive guy like me will hear it all the time. I also want to let the laptop turned on over night. I even turn off my disk station every night and the super small fan there is nearly unhearable but it bothers me.

A handful people are reporting that this is annyoing for them. I still have tested some Alienware laptops, the Gigabyte Aero 15 X8, and some models of the razer blade series.
For me they were so annoying under load - super high pitch fan noise / very loud fan noise but if you watch youtube, doing some stuff with your browser these laptops were 100% silent and the fans were off. (Expect some hard coil whine at the razer blade advanced model).

One guy at notebookcheck said that there is a chance to turn off the fans with third party tools like " Notebookfancontrol and RW Read & Write utility".

I am still waiting for my unit, but maybe you or someone else here can give it a try?

My hopes to this are not big because in the lenovo forum they still have tried tools like this at the 730 / 720 / 530 without success...

I don't know what's so hard to build a laptop - flat fan noise + not soo loud fans under load & totally quiet / passive cooled when cpu and gpu are "cold".

Yes i believe many people who read my posts will say: dude go and get a desktop pc full passive cooled / water cooled or get a tablet.
I believe in the industry that they will build gaming laptops like in the past which meet these two criteria.
The Y740 already seems to fulfill one of these requirements.


P.S.: Looks like that they finally started the rollout.

Best regards,
Itzap

 

Through your suggestion and some further googling I landed on this software https://github.com/hirschmann/nbfc
It's an interesting bit of kit that has a pretty thorough wiki, and using so far I've found that the fan speed values are on EC values 0x13 and 0x14.
Unfortunately changing those doesn't do anything, so I may need to do further research to find the manual fan speed value.
I have also discovered that 0x12 is what sets the fans to max speed.

I will try some more tomorrow, I might disassemble my laptop again to try and find the EC and get a datasheet on it, otherwise I might also try to find a way to lubricate the fans maybe.

 

Looks like there is further delays...

Really?? June?? like aren't they releasing a new product around that time?

 

From the Lenovo websites I've looked at in Europe, the Y740 isn't even on sale yet. But it is in the USA and few other places. If you look at the Europe sites it says it is "coming soon" and the only difference with the specs on the USA site is it lists a 500nit display while the one on the USA site is 300nits. So at a guess I'd say the Y740 went on sale on the USA first with the 300nit screen, and then for some reason they decided to change the display to 500nits (maybe because there was was some criticise of the screen brightness in a few reviews). They then thought hey, lets replace the screen with a brighter one, and since we've not released in a lot of countries we'll wait until it has been replaced and then release it there. Meanwhile let's continue to sale the 300nits in the USA and then replace it when the 500 nit screen is a available.

To specifically answer your question, if you are talking about a major Y740 refresh, I heard that there will be one, but in 2020. So the only change they are talking about at the moment is changing from 300nits to 500nits. It is quite odd they are doing this, as usually you would only do this with a major refresh or if there was a serious defect with the 300nit display. However there are no reports of this. The other odd thing is why 500nits, as most of the top gaming laptops have between 300-400nit screens. 500nits is a bit of an overkill, so maybe it is marketing thing to make it fairly unique in gaming laptops.

 

500nit would be for HDR reasons, granted 500nit is far below other monitors, but in laptop space it makes sense since hdr is that buzzword rolling around currently.

I've heard more issues on backlight bleed which would make me think there is an supply chain issue. Though the thought process here doesn't make much sense as you would do this refresh later, dunno sounds like one of the product managers made a bone-headed call.

 

The price keeps dropping $100 every few days... they must really want these gone huh. Also, the 2070 max-q is is now $120 cheaper than the 2060... ???

 

Not to mention that a lot of vendors like AUO use subpixels for backlighting giving FHD screens a grey washout effect. QHD is arguable the best middle ground between battery life and screen quality but 4k is also fine. Who in their right mind would actually game off the internal display other than in a quasi-portable mode? Anyone who has a gaming laptop and is willing to drop $2k+ on one ought to have enough scratch for a proper mechanical keyboard, mouse and Gsync/Freesync monitor no?

 

Not sure I agree. If I had a laptop and I was always gaming on an external screen. I would question why even buy a gaming laptop? You could then just build a desktop which would be much more powerful and have an ultra book for portability if you really needed it. Cost would be more or less the same.

For me I’d get a gaming laptop if I knew I would be gaming solely on that laptop and it’s screen. But I guess everyone is different.

 

Well most gaming laptops can't get out of their own way cooling wise without a pad and if you if you want to roast your testes and have fertility issues later in life then be my guest. To me it never made sense to buy a gaming laptop in the first place unless you need the flexibility of taking your work with you on a workstation kind of level. In which case it makes more sense to buy a color correct, high res, production capable panel for the laptop itself and either dock/pad on a desk with a much larger gaming monitor if you were so inclined or split the tasks.

That way heat can be managed, you don't have to squint starting at a 15" screen, risk the laptop failing pre-maturely due to heat and not risking your health in the process.

 

It's most likely a sign to rid the current stock build to make way for the next Legion Y740 build. If they introduce the 9th Gen. chipset into the Y740 with the GTX 1660Ti, I hope they maintain GPUs optional so to select between either a 2060/2070 max-q/2080 max-q RTX.

 

A pretty good short-video on expectations for new CPUs and GPUs in the next gamin laptop builds.
https://canvasonic.com/watch/dave-lee/the-next-cheap-gaming-laptops

 

Hello zoneykid,

sounds not bad. It seems i can still have some hope.
Sadly my unit is delayed again... i cannot create a new profile for this nbfc tool so far.
If someone is able to create a customizable profile for this tool - intelligent fan curves, 0 RPM fanspeed under 50 ° C i will donate something to this person.

Today Bob has uploaded a new review of a gaming laptop. I cannot post it here because it's the wrong thread for it.
The laptop he reviewed ( PB51EF-G) has intelligent power and fan modes (quiet, performance, power saving). It also has the possibility to creat a custom fan curve.

I repeat myself but i don't know what's so hard for the lead laptop brands on the market to create something like this.


@zoneykid please give us feedback if you were able to create a profile or if you have tried my other recommendation the RW read & write utility.
The more the delivery is delayed the more I think about whether I will really keep the laptop because of that idle fan noise.


Happy easter to everyone.

Cheers,
Itzap

 

idle fan noise...should just never bought the thing.

 

Hm. Last time I bought a gaming laptop was several years ago. And I bought many over the decade before that. I don’t recall fan noise and thermal throttling being issues back then. Of course, laptops were bigger.

 

Anyone tried upgrading to faster ram? There are some pnp-ram with 2666cl15 and even 3200cl16 out there. On the medium setting in games and in some productivity workloads that might improve performance a bit.

 

Ram should cap out at 2666, 3200 not sure if it really helps out that much,

 

The idle fan noise, while louder than my old laptop, is still equal to if not better than a regular PC case with 3-4 fans going, it honestly doesn't bother me except if I want to sleep with my laptop on.

And they used a lot more models back in the day to hit specific power and thermal goals, Intel and OEMs eventually realized it's easier and more cost effective to just sell a few CPU models and just set a power/thermal limit and have it sort itself out, rather than spec a different model. This also helps standardize performance, and in my opinion, is also a benefit to the consumer since it simplifies choice, and also lets us power users tune our processors to squeeze out all the performance we can, I was able to push mine to an undervolt of -165.0 saving me about 10-20 degrees of heat and letting me push higher speeds for longer.
An interesting fact, Ivy Bridge alone has 141 different models vs Coffee Lake is just almost half that at 75.

As for the fan curve, I still haven't sorted that out, haven't had time to look into it further, I will try some more later today hopefully.

 

CDW is advertising the Legion Y740 with the i7-9750h - availability date within 9-11 days and estimated shipping date May 7. But I don't find details about the GPU.
https://www.cdw.com/product/lvo-y740-i7-9750h-1-16-w10h/5516310

 

Has anyone upgraded the NVMe SSD hardware, or know if you can? Curious to know if Lenovo whitelisted that part on the Y740. That was one hardware change I could not go buy openly on my Legion Y720.

 

Okay, but stock timings are cl19, I think getting cl14 or cl15 will make a difference in some scenarios

 

I have swapped out memory on my Y720 for G.Skill (32GB), and no issues.

Yes, the stocked memory in the Y740 are measured at 19ms. I was looking into HyperX (I think Kingston) for my next laptop, which offers CAS latency measured at 15ms.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIACVB7AE7226

I see Samsung has lower CAS latency at 11ms. But I'm not familiar with their quality and reliability.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIADRH8ZB9014

 

I wouldn't be using stock ram, I have crucial ballistix anyway at cl16, like yea there is an argument for lower cas latency...but gains... not super great