Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga

If you do have the digitizer issue, especially if you aren't in the UK, feel free to post up on Thinkpad Yoga - Digitiser has inaccurate area - Page 3 - Lenovo Community

Not sure if it'll do any good, but it'll at least let Lenovo know that this is an issue outside of the UK

And so far my posts keep getting moved around the Lenovo forum. One person moved them to the X-series laptops, another has now moved them to the Edge series.

 

I should be getting mine (i7, 8GB, 256SSD, FHD, digitizer) tomorrow. Not getting my hopes up re. the digitizer issue :/

By the looks of it, this should be something Lenovo could fix/compensate for with a software update, especially since all machines are affected in the same area.

EDIT: I'm in Denmark, Europe.

 

Agreed - as long as the defect is consistent it should be possible to compensate for in the software / firmware, if a hardware fix is out of the question; but I can think that its going to take some time for the fix to be coded and tested.

Personally I will postpone my buying decision until I know there is no chance of this issue in the unit I order - or there is a fix for it. If it wasn't for this issue I would have ordered already.

 

Has anyone actually received a digitizer model in the US? It's my understanding they're only available direct from Lenovo, and none have shipped yet. I think saying it's Europe-only may be wishful thinking.

I'll be holding off on buying mine until this is sorted out anyway, by which time I'm sure the prices will have come down. Not the best QC from Lenovo, very disappointing.

 

Wasn't the yellow fix just to increase the default brightness for "power saving" mode, thus running down the battery sooner?

Not to play Cassandra here, but the digitizer sounds like a design defect. While I imagine it can be compensated for in software (that is, for certain pen coordinates, apply a bias the inverse of the pin cushioning), I'm going to guess it can't be "fixed".

What I mean by that is, the software fix will have to assume that at position x, y, the sensor value is off by dx, dy. But unless the defective reading is always exactly the same on all Thinkpad Yogas, it's just going to be a "blind" correction that may on a particular unit over- or under-correct.

Upshot being, in that area of the screen, the pen is always going to be a bit off.

Which would be fine in an $800 machine, but a bit of a cheap band-aid for a $1600 machine,

The whole point of paying a premium price for Thinkpads was that Thinkpads were higher quality; that seems more of a memory these days.

 

Talked to rep today, my order got pushed back to ship date of 12/9, deliverable 12/16. Rep stated that the TPY were out of IC (Intergrated Circuits). This could be some circuit that has to do with the digitizer, but that's just a guess. I did order the i7,8gb,256gb, shipping to the US.

 

I just noticed that for US site, Win 8.1 Pro option is no longer available now. There was such option to upgrade to Win 8.1 Pro with $50, but it disappeared. Also, it seems that there is no deal for TPY during the Black Friday, at least current deal page has nothing about it. So disappointed. I planed to order it during the Black Friday even if there is black hole for the digitizer, but now also black hole for the Win 8.1 Pro and Friday....

 

My shipping date has been pushed back to 9th December.

 

Those that have received the laptop could you perhaps take pictures/video that demonstrates the screens anti-glare features? Preferably a video from various angels outside or in front of a light source. There is of now no proper demonstration of this on Youtube or any review site. I, and perhaps many others, would be grateful sense there are a handful of us after a modern ultrabook with an anti-glare/matte screen for business/entertainment purposes.

Regarding, the screens "black hole" problem; I don't think that the issue lies with the pen, that some of you have speculated. There isn't any electrical components in the pen. So the pen is simply a "stick" which the screen reacts to. How that works exactly I can't say, but my guess would be through some magnetic force, which might explain the "black hole" syndrome? My guess is therefor that the problem lie with the screen - defective or some other internal component affecting it.

 

How do you know? Did you call up Lenovo?

 

Lenovo has an order visibility portal which states Estimated Ship Date and Estimated Delivery Date.

Search Index

 

Received an email from them today.

 

I saw a video on YouTube demonstrating exactly that. There's still some reflection, but significantly better. I'll post the link once I find it.

 

This may have been posted before, but Rick Rodriguez over at Surface Pro Artist has a nice little blog post on the ThinkPad Yoga.

In a followup post he mentions that he will be receiving his ThinkPad Yoga next week (as some of you may also be) and posting a review. I sent him a message asking him to make sure he covers the black hole issue in his review (but haven't heard back from him yet).

Going nuts waiting to see how this plays out. Do any of you early purchasers still have an 11/28 ship date/delivery date sometime next week, or has everyone's order been delayed?

 

After ordering on thursday, the lenovo tracking thing still says:

"We have not yet received your order. Please check back in a few hours."

Strange.

Anyways, here is the model number I received:

20CDCTO1WW

I suspect "WW" stands for "worldwide". I'm curious to see if this will have the digitizer problem aswell.

 

Thanks, that would be great. I am aware of the various 'hands on' videos where you catch glimpses of the screen reflecting some light sources. If I am to judge the screens anti glare feature through those videos (for example: Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga and Yoga 2 Pro (hands-on) - YouTube), then (with my own measurements) I wouldn't find the screen adequate compared to a matte screen. But hey, that's me.

Maybe a proper video can make the screen more justice, I don't know.

 

Anyone know any pictures or videos of this opened up?

How self serviceable? Memory replaceable (soldered or sodimm?)? SSD drive replaceable (2.5mm?)? Battery replaceable (even though sealed)?

How efficient is the cooling system (during sustained load on both the CPU and IGP)?

 

My order has also been delayed. I had an 11/29 ship date, and it's been changed to 12/9 with arrival estimate of 12/16. On the plus side, my previous shipments from Lenovo have made it to me within 2 days of the ship date, so hopefully once these ship, they will arrive quickly.

 

So it looks like mine hasn't been delayed yet.

i7 - 4600U
8GB RAM
128GB SSD
Intel 7260 (ac compatible)

 

RAM is soldered. Check this: http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-Edge-S-series/ThinkPad-Yoga-Review/td-p/1314757

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For a product that is supposed to be high end with a sales and support staff that is supposed to be top notch, with product review videos that are supposed to be so thorough, no one knows for sure how good this digitizer is.

 

Same specs as you and mine hasn't been delayed yet either (Dec 2nd ship date).

 

Sigh... I've been using the Yoga 2 Pro for about 3 weeks now, still have about that much left before I have to decide if I'll keep it or not, and I keep waiting for good news about the Thinkpad Yoga. I've been trolling back and forth in this thread but haven't found any real details so far about the black hole - other than there's a problem apparently in the upper right side, and that one person reported it didn't affect the capacitive use with fingers. Even google searches just take me to the poll in these forums. I sold my Surface Pro to someone who wanted it, and went for now with this Yoga Pro 2, but while I don't often use the digitizer, it's one of those things where when you could use it, it's invaluable.

And while I love the Yoga Pro 2, the QHD resolution really is a pain for all the remote desktop work I do so I end up spending most of my time now at 1920x1080 anyway, so the QHD screen is wasted. I'd rather be running natively at this resolution, and the Thinkpad Yoga would fill my needs.

Anyone play with both and have any hands on thoughts to compare/contrast the two? It's rather disappointing that Lenovo is having problems with both the new versions of their Yoga lines... I switched to MacBook pros back in 2009 and just came back to the Windows world for my mobile computing when I got this Yoga 2 Pro, since the Surface Pro at 128GB didn't have enough space to be my "daily machine." The yellow problem on this didn't bother me much, but even their "fix" was just to crank up the brightness levels. if you go to anything that will let the battery last more than 4 hours, the yellow still looks like mustard. For me, not really an issue, it's the resolution and scaling issues in things like RDP that are killing it for me. But to have the yellow problem, and a fix that really is less than a true fix (although how they'd truly fix it I can't imagine), and then to have digitizer problems in the Thinkpad Yoga line... I've always said there were only two brands of laptops I'd ever consider simply due to build quality and reliability, those are Apple and IBM (now Lenovo). Looks like I picked the absolute wrong time to come back to the other side of the fence when the two computers I'd consider both had manufacturing defects of some sort...

Just how bad is the digitizer issue? I've waded through too many pages here and my eyes are starting to blur, so I never did get a good idea of how bad or minor the issue really is.

And how good is the trackpad? Anyone have any first hand experience that they can share with me? That's the only other real downside to this Yoga 2 Pro is that the trackpad is pretty flakey, regardless of what driver you use for it, the one Lenovo shipped it with, or removing that and going with the Synaptics... I need a trackpad for the RDP stuff I do, which is another reason why I couldn't just upgrade the Surface Pro to a Surface Pro 2 with a bigger hard drive, since I just hated the trackpad on the touch and type covers (and I am NOT a fan of the eraser pointer on the Thinkpads so I won't be using that).

Oh - any network disconnects? That's been a real problem with my Yoga Pro 2 with the single band card that came with it as WELL as with the dual band AC card I put in. In the Yoga threads others have complained about the same issue, although I seem to be in the minority for people who upgraded it to an AC card since it seems that mostly works without the constant random network drops...

The guy who bought my Surface Pro said I can borrow it for however long it is between returning this Yoga Pro 2 and getting a Thinkpad Yoga if I decide to switch, and for short term I can live with the Surface Pro, but I'd hate to go through all that only to find that the quirks with the Yoga 2 Pro extend as well to the Thinkpad Yoga.

Thanks for any information or links to any posts in this thread I didn't find that addressed any of this.

 

Hey JDThird.

I had a Yoga 2 Pro and returned it for some of the same reasons you're apparently frustrated with it - the yellow and the QHD. QHD was awesome, in fact it was so awesome that it made most legacy desktop apps unbearable to use Dang does text ever look good in apps that support that resolution though. I didn't have any problems with the wireless card like you are having.

I can't speak to the digitizer issue (check out page 56 for where it all started), but I did have the chance to play with a non-digitizer model of the ThinkPad Yoga and I have to say that all around I liked it much better than the Yoga 2 Pro. Build quality is better, native 1920x1080 screen resolution is actually reasonable and still looks good, keyboard is much better (much better key travel than on the Yoga 2 Pro), and I also found the trackpad to have a nicer/smoother texture and work just a little bit more smoothly. I didn't actually have any complaints with the trackpad on the Yoga 2 Pro though - PC trackpads have come a long way since the last time I bought a computer, which was 2011. I can understand your frustration because you're coming from Macs and are used to Apple's excellent hardware.

Hope this helps. Myself and several others on this forum are hopeful that the digitizer problem may have been limited to an early run of digitizer models in Europe only available through resellers (i.e. not purchased directly from Lenovo), but we should know for sure next week when people start to get their units in. Let me know if there's any other questions you had on the Yoga 2 Pro vs the ThinkPad Yoga. Again, I can't speak to the digitizer issue, and I didn't actually buy the non-digitizer model so I can't speak to the wireless performance either - other people have mentioned that ThinkPads are supposed to do pretty well in the wireless department though.

 

I was the one that first reported digitiser issue. It affected a small area about 2cm in diameter in an area I didn't write in much. I had a second unrelated defect that made the touchscreen unusable, one that sems unique to me, hence the return.

If it was just the digitiser issue I doubt that I would have returned it. I will certainly be ordering a replacement TPY

I had a dual band card and never had network disconnects.

Regarding how well the digitizr works, not sure what you want for that. It was perfect for me taking notes, but I wouldn't be using it for artwork as I am not that way inclined

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Is this link for US only orders? I ordered from the UK store.

I order last tuesday and haven't heard anything from them - on findmyorder.com it still says Order in Process. However I noticed that at the end of last week they took the money from the credit card (which they weren't supposed to do until they are ready to dispatch).

 

Update everyone! Good news - after asking again on the Lenovo forums, Mark_Lenovo replied:

 

Aye I saw that, I'm surprised that it is a software issue but hey, that's good news! I guess that may explain the delays some people are experiencing also (sorry!)

 

That made my day! Great stuffs!

My order has also been updated with an estimated ship day of 09/12. Hopefully this means it comes from the new batch where the problem is already fixed. Otherwise I would want to keep my eyes open for that downloadable firmware update, as the digitiser is really important to me.

 

All your questions were answered by lead_org in this thread awhile ago, search first!

 

Thats really good news. I won't be placing my order until there's a firmware fix out there that works. As soon as that happens I'll be ordering.

 

YES!!!! TPY back on the game!!!

GOODBYE sp2, once and for all!

 

Thanks for the plug, @VortexJones. My ship date has been pushed back to 12/8. Hopefully this delay means that the digitizer fix is being incorporated into these systems.

 

Don't know if this has been posted, but the psref sheet is out for the US versions of the Thinkpad Yoga:

http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/edgebook.pdf

Scroll down to the Yoga section. This should clear up any questions about which model has Pen support and which doesn't - for those looking to buy the Yoga via channels and not through Lenovo itself. Anything bought from Lenovo's site will show up with the Type-model# 20CDCT01WW as a custom build, vs purchasing from other resellers where it will be 20CDXXXXNN. XXXX is the config and NN is the region (US for example).

I talked to a channel rep at Lenovo and they stated that none of the channel systems (Best Buy, MS, CDW, etc) were going to ship until the beginning of January. Which contradicts most of the sites you can place orders today, but seems feasible based on the lack of detail out there and contradictory/changing release dates. The Lenovo reps may be wrong as well, but I have a hunch they're correct...at least for Digitizer enabled versions and those with the vPro/TE i5 & i7s (i.e. i7-4600 vs i7-4500).

This might not display well..but here's the data:

Type-model Processor Memory Display Screen Type Pen Camera Disk PCIe WLAN m.2 Card Color Battery Cells OS Preload
20CD0002US i7-4500U 8GB 12.5" HD anti-smudge None 720p 256G SSD Intel 7260+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 64bit
20CD000GUS i3-4010U 4GB 12.5" HD anti-smudge None 720p 500G 5400rpm Intel 7260ac+BT 16GB Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD000HUS i5-4200U 4GB 12.5" HD anti-smudge None 720p 500G 5400rpm Intel 7260ac+BT 16GB Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD000JUS i5-4200U 4GB 12.5" FHD anti-smudge None 720p 500G 5400rpm Intel 7260ac+BT 16GB Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD000KUS i7-4500U 8GB 12.5" HD anti-smudge None 720p 500G 5400rpm Intel 7260ac+BT 16GB Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD000LUS i7-4500U 8GB 12.5" FHD anti-smudge None 720p 500G 5400rpm Intel 7260ac+BT 16GB Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD000MUS i5-4200U 8GB 12.5" FHD anti-glare Pen 720p 500G 5400rpm Intel 7260ac+BT 16GB Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD000NUS i5-4200U 4GB 12.5" FHD anti-glare Pen 720p 256G SSD Intel 7260ac+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD000PUS i5-4300U 4GB 12.5" FHD anti-glare Pen 720p 500G 5400rpm Intel 7260ac+BT 16GB Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD000QUS i5-4300U 4GB 12.5" FHD anti-glare Pen 720p 256G SSD Intel 7260ac+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD000RUS i7-4600U 8GB 12.5" FHD anti-glare Pen 720p 500G 5400rpm Intel 7260ac+BT 16GB Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD000SUS i7-4600U 8GB 12.5" FHD anti-glare Pen 720p 256G SSD Intel 7260ac+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD002FUS i5-4200U 4GB 12.5" HD anti-smudge None 720p 256G SSD Intel 7260ac+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD002GUS i5-4200U 4GB 12.5" FHD anti-smudge None 720p 256G SSD Intel 7260ac+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD002HUS i7-4500U 8GB 12.5" HD anti-smudge None 720p 256G SSD Intel 7260ac+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD002JUS i7-4500U 8GB 12.5" FHD anti-smudge None 720p 256G SSD Intel 7260ac+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD002PUS i5-4200U 4GB 12.5" HD anti-smudge None 720p 128G SSD Intel 7260+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 64bit
20CD002QUS i5-4200U 4GB 12.5" FHD anti-glare Pen 720p 128G SSD Intel 7260+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 64bit
20CD002RUS i7-4500U 8GB 12.5" FHD anti-glare Pen 720p 256G SSD Intel 7260+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 64bit
20CD002SUS i5-4200U 4GB 12.5" HD anti-smudge None 720p 180G SSD-OPAL Intel 7260ac+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD002TUS i5-4200U 4GB 12.5" FHD anti-glare Pen 720p 180G SSD-OPAL Intel 7260ac+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD002UUS i7-4500U 8GB 12.5" HD anti-smudge None 720p 180G SSD-OPAL Intel 7260ac+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD002VUS i7-4500U 8GB 12.5" FHD anti-glare Pen 720p 180G SSD-OPAL Intel 7260ac+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD002WUS i7-4500U 8GB 12.5" FHD anti-smudge None 720p 180G SSD-OPAL Intel 7260ac+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD002XUS i5-4200U 4GB 12.5" FHD anti-smudge None 720p 180G SSD-OPAL Intel 7260ac+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD002YUS i5-4300U 4GB 12.5" FHD anti-glare Pen 720p 180G SSD-OPAL Intel 7260ac+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit
20CD0030US i7-4600U 8GB 12.5" FHD anti-glare Pen 720p 180G SSD-OPAL Intel 7260ac+BT None Black 8 Win8.1 Pro-64bit

 

I hadn't taken the time to look at this before.. the only i5 with 8gb ram is 20CD000MUS which comes with an HDD rather than SSD. I guess I'll have to update the HD if I decide to go with that combination and not buy directly.

Also interesting that all of the 7260ACs use a 180GB opal drive, which isn't even listed on Lenovo's site as a custom option.

 

There are quite a few that use the 7260-ac that don't use the OPAL drives...the reverse seems true, though...that all of the OPAL SSDs are preconfigured with the 7260-acs. There are a couple of configs with the 7260bgn and regular SSDs, but seems like most of the preconfigured systems are using the 7260-acs. I don't have experience with either...

 

Guys, letting the black hole issue aside for now, could anyone compare the pen's accuracy to the surface pro? The only thing left for me to make my decision is that! Ill be using TPY full time for painting and sketching, so I _really_ need to know it has at least the same pen accuracy as surface pro.

 

I just place my order and ordered the Thinkpad Yoga with the following specs.

4th Gen Intel Core i7-4600U Processor (4MB Cache, up to 3.30GHz)
Windows 8.1 64
Touch & Pen, FHD (1920 x 1080)
Intel HD Graphics 4400
8GB PC3-12800 DDR3L on MB
ClickPad without NFC antenna & module
256 GB Solid State Drive, Serial ATA3 eDrive Capable
Battery (LiPolymer 47Wh)
Intel Dual Band Wireless 7260AC with Bluetooth 4.0
1 Year Depot or Carry-in

the 12 percent deal worked, but I wanted better. Got on the chat and asked for better.
Total before tax 1597.15 Which is 15% off

 

Thank you for posting this, it's helpful. Unfortunately it doesn't include the model number listed on NewEgg, 20CD0033US. From what I'm seeing, the FHD screen on the Newegg model should come with the digitizer+pen, but a similar config (i7/8gb/256gb) at Lenovo is 1740 versus 1400 at Newegg, and I'm thinking there has to be a catch. Unfortunately the Newegg listing doesn't specify. Does anyone see what I'm missing, or has anyone gotten one through Newegg and can confirm/deny if it comes with a pen?

Newegg.com - ThinkPad YOGA 2-in-1 Ultrabook - Intel Core i7 8GB RAM 256GB SSD 12.5" Full HD Touchscreen Windows 8.1 (20CD0033US)

 

The model 20CD0033US does not come with a digitizer. That's the same model being offered at Fry's which is confirmed to be without a digitizer.

 

Blech, that's what I was afraid of. Thank you!

 

I got a shipment notification today from the Microsoft Store even though as of a couple days ago they were showing a 12/25 release date. So looks like this is now in stock. Woohoo!

 

Please can someone check if Ubuntu and/or Linux Mint are working? Which Versions?
You could easily burn a live-cd.iso and do the check. Is the wifi working in Linux?

That would be very nice to know. Thank you very much.

 

The poll http://forum.notebookreview.com/lenovo/738390-thinkpad-yoga-black-hole-digitizer-problem-poll.html shows that some seemingly have the black hole also with finger, so its rather the display, and this cannot be changed so quickly the next weeks...

Aside from this, how is the keyboard compared to Surface Pro where you have nearly no hub. I cannot type on this shelf and I dont want to relearn it. The Yoga probably has not the hub of former Thinkpads, but is it nearly as terrible as Surface Pro or much better?

 

You seem to have missed Kuhfi's post on page 88 of the thread.

 

Thanks for that information. I guess, these are just US- Devices? Because i ordered an Yoga 20CD0038GE on CampusPoint in Germany and couldnt find it in this list. But at the webpage of Campuspoint it is said in the datasheet of the thinkpad yoga, that it comes with digitizer. Its the i7 4500u model with 8gb ram/ 256gb ssd, FullHD Display, all of that for 1.349,00 €. I am so anticipated to recieve and use this device, but im still afraid of the digitizer issue. Hoping the best, i will use the yoga for my studies to replace my note 10.1, which replaced my paper completly since more than a half year.

Thank u guys for this thread, keep on discussing and sharing informations about this, in my opinion, incrediblee device.

Jannik

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Ah, ok thanks. Then a MOD can delete the poll.

Nope, even replacing SSD will make you loose warranty. No CRU parts

 

I received my TPY (i7, 8GB, 256SSD, FHD digitizer) today and, yes, it also has the digitizer problem. It's encouraging that it can be fixed with a software update, though. I bought mine in Denmark, Europe.

Apart from that, the TPY is a nice upgrade from my X220. The screen is absolutely gorgeous compared to that on my old machine.



EDIT: The location of the "black hole" on my screen is identical to the other cases. I had just flipped my screen while drawing...

 

I wouldn't be so quick to assume that because someone didn't check the "only happens with digitizer" option, they did have problems with their finger.

As far as I know, nobody has come upfront and stated that they had the same issues with their fingers. It is well within the realm of possibility that they simply missed one of the numerous check boxes that they were supposed to check.

Since you don't have one for "did have problem with pen and finger." There could also be someone who was only finger and not pen.

 

If you don't mind sharing, what was the coupon code they gave you for 15% off?