Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga

Yes, that seems to be a software issue to Lenovo. I'm using OneLink (not PRO) but I am facing the same problem. All of a sudden LAN-connection will be dropped - "Unknown USB device" error message pops up - then one has to reboot the machine to re-establish LAN connection via OneLink. So, that's a pity...

 

I noticed some people were not happy you could not invert the scrolling on the touchpad, if you use the drivers from the y410p / y510p (tp147w8164.exe) this has the function to invert. Just install the Synaptics part.

Also using updated Intel GFX (and other) drivers from station-drivers.com works well.

 

Lets talk about discounts, while my computer is on the way. Because I ordered it from France, I can speak a little bit about that region and also UK - they seems to have many thing common (via Digital River). So how to get discount? Most common in us seems to call and ask discount. Here it does not work well, so I searched internet for discounts. Maybe then you call, you can ask 10% discount if you join their newsletter, last year it was public offer to everyone. There are seems to be some universal codes, what basically work longer that a month. In us there is 12CLOSE0624 and 10CLOSE1125 what works for some folks (last four digits are dates, so u need to change them). Then comes uk and fr codes CJDEC5FR (december 5% fr), CJDEC10UK (december 10% off in uk) and TDNOV10FR. If u understand the pattern then you can still use them. There is also a code for 15% off from accessories OPTF15EDR. I dont know in which countries these workst, but you can give a try. Lenovo also have Cash Back campaign, I can give you a link for eu site: lenovo-promotions.com. At moment you get 94 eur back if you buy onelink with TPY.
This thread is best place to learn more about TPY, so I am glad to share my finding.

 

It's a 90W power brick - just like the one you got with your TPY, just more powerful (TPY comes with a 65W) and bigger/heavier. You still need to connect it to the power outlet.

 

Hmm, I haven't tried Ethernet yet, so I don't know if this USB issue affects it, but according to Lenovo specs OneLink Pro dock uses a different Ethernet adapter than the non-pro version (Realtek vs something else)

 

So mine is being delivered by UPS and in the past they've often charged me "brokerage fees" upon delivery.

Anyone in Canada have theirs delivered with no fees?

 

Ah, almost forgot - apparently driving 3 monitors at once is rather tasking, so the temps are higher and, as a consequence, the fan is ALWAYS ON. And not at it's lowest speed either...

 

Hi, I've been monitoring this thread for a bit as I am currently trying to determine which laptop to get, and the TPY seems perfect for my needs. However, I am a poor University student so I've been trying to fish for a discount. I simply can't justify the cost without it. I live in Denmark, and I've tried with the codes to no avail.
Im not sure what the formatting would be - if 'CJDEC10UK' is UK, then you'd think 'CJDEC10DK' would be Denmark, and seeing as we're in January, it'd be 'CJJAN10DK'. That doesn't work however, and I'm not sure if it has something to do with the first two letters since they're changed in 'TDNOV10FR' . Do you have happen to know/have a good guess?

Thanks a lot, and thank you to everyone for a very useful and informative thread!

 

Maybe my OneLink is buggy in general - because once the USB error message pops up and I reboot the TPY (having the OneLink plugged in) the TPY will hang on boot. Once I plugged OneLink off, the TPY is booting like usual...

 

I Don't know what you are talking about, changing the scrolling direction was one of the first things I changed after unboxing my TPY or do you mean something else?

 

They doesnot seem to function in dk site. I searched for day in internet to find these codes and deals. You should try to call local lenovo and ask discount and write after that if needed. If they say no first time, then dont worry, think about it and try to call again. You can ask about these problem what is talked here and ask have they fix them somehow, otherwise let them give u discount if they want the costumer.

 

I found this one by googling Lenovo Discount Codes LENOVO5JAN it's only 5%, just tried it out, I haven't decided which yoga to get yet! either thinkpad yoga or the new upcoming Yoga 2 13?

 

I had no UPS brokerage fees on mine delivered just outside Toronto.

 

Interesting, I was considering the OneLinkPro dock.

I have an unboxed DynaDock 3.0 (Toshiba) sitting here which I've not tried yet. It's supposed to have a graphics card onboard. My thought was the graphics card might help drive the monitors and take some load off the CPU, but maybe not. .

I was debating taking it back and purchasing the OneLink instead, the single cable appeals to me. On the DynaDock it uses the USB3.0 port, so I'm not sure how great the connections/speed etc will be verses the OneLink.

Might have to wait for more reviews before I decide.

 

I am getting extremely interested in the Fujitsu Lifebook T904. I like the fact that the battery is user replaceable, it looks thinner than TP Yoga and it has a 13.3 Inch screen with very high resolution.
However I am a little worried about the way the screen rotates, I fear it might break off at some point! And I don't know how the keyboard for example compares to TB keyboards.

You say that your Fujitsu Lifebook performs better as a tablet than your X230t. How about as a laptop? I am mainly interested in a laptop with tablet capabilities, rather than the other way around. Would you still consider the T904 better that the TP Yoga in this case?

I emailed Fujitsu and asked when it will be available in Canada, and they responded that the Fujitsu T904 LIFEBOOK is set to be launched the end of February 2014. It is very annoying to wait even longer. However, today Lenovo randomly canceled my TB Yoga + Onelink Pro order. I have no idea why. Maybe I should take this as a sign and wait for the Fujitsu!

 

Fujitsu has been using a bidirectional hinge for over 5 years in their tablets. When Lenovo was using the hinge design (X220t/X230t , etc.) , they only used a unidirectional hinge. Fujitsu keyboards are not as good as any ThinkPad keyboards but they can be pretty decent depending on which Fujitsu laptop you buy.

What do you want you really want in a laptop? For basic stuff like typing papers I have no problems using my 5 year old T5010. Of course with a modern Fujitsu laptop, you'll have performance comparable to the TP Yoga in most cases.

 

I come from a Sony Vaio Flip 15 with 2880x1620 resolution and let me say: More than 1920x1080 on a 13" device causes more problems than benefits on windows 8.1 in desktop mode.

There is desktop-software that will not scale good enough to make it readable without getting a headache. But maybe the T904 does that job better than the Flip 15, although i guess it's a general 8.1 problem for small devices with high resolution.

 

How do you like the Flip 15? I might replace my X230t with that.

 

Hi guys,

I have a non-digitizer Thinkpad Yoga and the camera was just too dim for me.

So I went into "Lenovo Settings" -> Camera, then i set the Exposure to "Manual" and increased the Exposure to the maximum value.

However, this now causes the camera to sometimes revert to like -10 exposure or something when i start a Skype call (and sometimes during the call too) and the only way to resolve this is to go back into the Lenovo Settings and quickly flip the exposure from "Auto" to "Manual".

I've updated all the drivers, but it still happens.

Does anyone else have this issue?

Thanks,

p.s. I've tried to read all the posts so far but I've not seem anything on this.

 

The Yoga battery is accessible and should be easy to replace mate. Not as easy as just a standard laptop but still only a few screws etc.

Also a higher resolution then the Yoga on any screen under 15" would be pointless. Windows doesn't scale well in Desktop mode with such high density screens and its why most people who buy Yoga 2 Pro's actually end up running at 1080p because anything higher ruins desktop mode..

Might be worth mentioning that the T904 is probably going to be ALOT more then the Yoga, I have heard possibilities of being double the price regarding the base units of each..

 

Just got my TPY a few hours ago and I'm updating and setting everything up.

Is the bundled Lenovo update agent tool decent enough to use? Should I update everything it finds outdated?

EDIT: If you guys want some questions answered about it, let me know. So far, none of the reported problems have been exhibited. The one thing I liked better on my Dell XPS 12 was that the lid hinge was way more solid, this one kind of rocks back and forth with minimal force.

 

I wouldn't worry about the hinge on T904 LIFEBOOK - this design has been around for ages (not only from Fujitsu, but also from Dell, Lenovo/IBM and many others) and it's very reliable. I had several laptops with this type of hinge and had no problems with it whatsoever.

As for the screen - the higher resolution on 13.3" screen would indeed be more of a problem than a benefit due to the scaling issues of the legacy apps in Windows mentioned before, but that's not the reason I'm interested in this screen, though. Besides being a higher resolution, it is also an IGZO panel, which is brighter, much more power efficient and provides far better color accuracy/coverage than TPY panel. Currently you cannot do better than IGZO unless you go OLED.
If you want to get a feel for it - just look at the new iPad Air screen - it has an IGZO panel. Or better yet - hold an iPad Air besides your TPY and compare ;-)

There are some potential issues with T904 though, as mentioned here before it might only come in single channel RAM configuration - which will definitely impact 3D performance (although it has not much 3D grunt to begin with, so it might not be a big loss) and potentially can also impact performance of 2D/video and memory-intensive apps. I don't remember seeing any benchmarks for this, probably because nobody ships single-channel systems anymore unless it's a cheap crap and nobody does benchmarks on cheap crap. This is only a speculation at this point, though, as T904 hasn't shipped yet.

Plus there is an issue of $ - signs point to it being very expensive.

 

I wait for my Thinkpad Yoga to arrive. I returned my Flip due to these reasons:
- Although a solid machine (and i really like that internals are accessible) it didn't feel like a premium built machine. The brushed metal is nice, but the back is plastic and was quite curved in my unit. It was so bad that dust could reach internals. Ok the last part was my bad luck, but the product is overall a consumer product in terms of quality and i hope the thinkpad yoga is more business-like.
- The fan. It was silent while on desktop and very light work, but as soon as i started something that put the notebook on more than 30% load, it got loud. Louder than my old Dell Inspiron from 2005(!). I started to experiment with throttling and "passive"-cooling in energy options, but after all i was so pissed that i bought a unit with i7 and GT 735M for performance and have to throttle it to avoid a headache.
- The resolution was too excessive. Don't get me wrong, i don't believe that there could ever be enough pixels (and frames per second) and the screen of the Flip 15 was very solid in terms of colors, backlight and refreshing. But, some programs where so small that it was a pain to use them. That affected even internal stuff like the Nvidia control center. I guess i have to wait some years (when high resolution windows notebooks are more common) to see better scaling results for my demand.
- The Nvidia 735M did not convince me. I was shocked that the Nvidia control center for notebooks offers close to zero configuration options.
Example for desktop control panel: http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/chipsets/2008/esa-closerlook/controlpanel.jpg
And this is what you get on the Flip: http://www.easterngraphics.com/pcon/en/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/nvidia-control-panel.png
Especially the missing display option was a problem for me. Some games went berserk due to the resolution. And since the 735M does throttle fast and is even unthrottled not much faster than a (nonthrottled) HD 4400... Well i would not recommend buying it, if you don't have a very specific use for it.
- The low keytravel on the keyboard was not mine. I look forward to the Thinkpad Yoga keyboard.
- A very personal claim: I need my convertible as plain as possible. I don't want to attract attention and even though the Flip 15 is a lot better than other convertibles in that regard, it's still exotic to fold the notebook origami-style.
- You can upgrade the Thinkpad with a 1 TB SSD, but you can't do that on the Flip 15 because it uses M2 SSD which are not available for consumer (to reasonable prices).

 

AFAIK, DynaDock uses DisplayLink chip which basically compresses display output on the PC side and then streams it over USB and decompresses it on the dock side. Only the decompression on the dock side is hardware accelerated and compression on the PC side is CPU intensive, so usually CPU load is higher on the DisplayLink solutions vs direct pass-through solutions like Lenovo's OneLink. Plus there is a certain amount of latency involved, so it's not well suited for high frame-rate content - like gaming (although in this case you wouldn't do any gaming on TPY anyways...).

Personally I prefer direct solutions - for example, while I was considering XPS 12 (which looking back at my TPY experience I might have been better of with) I planned getting either Display Port 1.2 compatible monitor that supports DP daisy-chaining or a DP hub to connect two monitors via XPS 12's Display Port. Naturally Dell support didn't have a clue if XPS 12's DP is 1.2 and if it supports multi-stream, but that's expected - nowadays you can't really expect any technical skill level from CS representatives.

 

US website just got an option for 1366x768 non-digitizer screen, and the price is about $999 no discounts or anything.

I hope NFC and 500GB HDD and M2 Cache come soon.

 

Unfortunately it doesnt work as far as I can tell. Thanks anyway

Well I called them up, but apparently they're not really that interested in selling me the product. They refused being able to do a discount anyway.
Shame, I really like the TPY but I can't justify 10300 dkk (1870 usd) for it. Guess I'll have to wait for now!

 

Lenovo Denmark just launched a promotion on the T440s and Thinkpad Yoga, a 7% discount using the code "multimode". My guess is that this promotion is also running in other regions, but I only have the link to the danish website:

Bærbar tilbud, ThinkPad udsalg fra Lenovo | Lenovo (DK)

Hope this helps you.

 

Yosh all

I've found the discount code for france; i guess it will be the same for UK DE etc after replacing the last 2 chars

CODE : TDJAN10FR

hgd

 

Yesterday, I bought a Thinkpad Yoga i7/8 GB/256SSD with Digitizer+Pen. The Laptop was built in 02/12/2013 and were shipped directly from China.

I have read all pages of this thread before buying TPY so I was expecting some issues. I installed all available updates and there was no issues from those mentioned earlier in this thread. I was very confident about my purchase after 5-6 hours of working until I noticed a strange issue.

I noted a small discoloration (almost 1 cm x 1 cm) in the top left and top right of the screen. The defect was not very obvious in color pages but very visible in pure white background which showed stains of Yellow/Orange in the white background.

I returned the unit to Lenovo Retail Store and since that item was the last unit in stock, they offered me to take another model of TPY or get a refund. Since I thought that LCD problem was just a bad luck and I really liked to have TPY, I decided to pick a Thinkpad Yoga i7/8 GB/1TB+16GB M2 SSD with Digitizer+Pen and then later I change 16GB M2 SSD to 128 or 256 M2 SSD for a speedy boot drive. They opened another 3 new sealed unit (Build Date: 03/12/2013) and unfortunately all 3 units had the same LCD issue. Location of discoloration in all devices were in top left & right but the size was variable between devices. Additionally, one of the devices also had 1 dead pixel.

Finally I became very disappointed from this experience with Thinkpad Yoga and they are now processing a refund for me. Supervisor of Lenovo Sales Office talked to some higher Lenovo Officials and finally told me that it seems the whole new batch of TPY has this issue. But because it is only visible in White Screen many customers do not recognize the issue immediately. He said maybe the issue is due to pressure on the top corners of the device and the Quality Control did not check well due to the rush in production and high demand.

Lenovo should address the LCD issue very fast or they will lose the market. I recommend all TPY users check their device for this LCD issue & if found return the device for a replacement.

 

My X230t had worse issues than that but I got it fixed under warranty and BTW , Lenovo isn't going to lose the market. Most people are happy with cheap ThinkPads. I would have preferred the X230t and Yoga to cost around $3000 and have almost no QC issues at all but most people aren't going to buy a $3000 tablet , they would buy an iPad instead.

 

From a thinkpad we normally expect durability. Not to see 4 consecutive units having hardware issues out of box. This is a major QC problem. By losing the market, I mean Hybrid (Tablet+Laptop) market. I have no idea about other Thinkpads. Nobody wants to pay around $2,000 for a laptop and only have it working properly after being repaired under warranty service.

 

It's already a known fact not to buy from a reseller and to order it direct from lenovo so that it is built to order. Resellers have batches that were made during the rush to mass produce the product hence such issues. Even buying from lenovo could have issues if the laptop isn't built to order.

Also theres a possibility it was just some glue that had not dried up fully and would have gone away after a few days. Similar to what happened on iPads a few years back.

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk

 

I had the same issue on my first unit - yellow stain at the top right corner, along with a part of a glass sticking out a bit, exchanged it for the same spec just with Win8 Pro instead of regular Win 8 and the 2nd unit didn't have this issue.

 

No discoloration here, at least none that I notice thus far.

The issue I'm most concerned about is ghosting, I hated it on my XPS 12 (though it didn't ruin the experience). Hopefully it doesn't rear its ugly head.

 

How bad is the TrackPoint and associated buttons? One of the main reasons I choose ThinkPad is that I love precision and efficiency of the TrackPoint vs. the trackpad. I am concerned this may be a deal killer for me.

 

Why would this be an issue? The trackpoint is the same as used on various other Lenovo laptops without any complaints

 

Really frustrating at the wait time for ordering a new Thinkpad or Yoga 2 Pro is... I'm looking at a configuration of the Thinkpad Yoga and noticed that there are two processor options for the i7: you can get the 4500 or, for about 120 bucks more, the 4600 version of the processor. Anyone know if the difference is substantial enough to make it worthwhile? Someone referred me to benchmark tests and it looks like the 4500 clock speed isn't as good as the best i5 processor! However, I am a bit of a hardware idiot and really don't know how to put this information into context.

 

There were references earlier on the thread about the location from the keys not being very good and the touchpad buttons being frustrating to use. One post said it was difficult for single hand usage.

 

The trackpoint itself is fine, but the buttons have a very different feel than my x61T, especially the right click. I can use it with one hand no problem but it feels very different than what I'm used to. I actually find myself using the track pad a bit more, especially for scrolling. I'd advise you to demo it if you can, or try it for a couple of days and possibly return it if you can't.

 

For basic stuff like web browsing and typing papers , there will be no noticeable difference.

 

i3 and non-digitizer 1366x768 screen configurations are now available to order in the US.

I hope nfc and hard drive options are coming soon.

 

Might as well get an X230t.

 

Well, personally I want an i7 1080p with pen, but I also want NFC and a HDD. So I am hoping those options come soon.

 

I am having the same problem, like so many other former Thinkpad owners. Everyone says it's not as good as before. And what could have been expected when you try to integrate 3 separate buttons into one clickpad. You cannot end up with something that is equally useful or even better. Why Lenovo has spent time and money to make something that was working perfectly so much worse, I don't know. The Thinkpads with their ergonomically superior Trackpoint navigation have fallen victim to "consumerization". Lenovo is abandoning professionals, who spent hours everyday working on their laptops (you know, 'those who do'), in order to chase after amateurs who think a cool laptop must be designed like a Macbook and who use their laptops primarily to surf the web and watch movies. Hence

• the 'need' for huge useless trackpads, cause even Grandma can swipe a finger
• the 'need' for 16:9 screens, cause heaven forbid, there are black bars when watching a movie
• the 'need' to remove the battery life optimization options, where it would charge to only 50% capacity in order to prolong battery life

If consumers/amateurs are confused by it, it's removed by Lenovo, no matter how useful. Consumers/amateurs were apparently also confused by the Trackpoint and the associated buttons, so it's been removed by Lenovo. Everything has to be boiled down to the dumbest common denominator. Lenovo forgets, that while a business laptop can still satisfy all consumer needs (watching movies, listening to music, surfing the web), it doesn't work the other way around. If I only had a worthy successor to my aging Thinkpad X60 Tablet PC. My last hope is on the Dell Latitude XT4, should it ever see the light of day. The current XT3 still has a Trackpoint with 3 buttons, so I am hoping for Dell to save us, and not ruin it like Lenovo did.

P.S. I found this video, funny and so true... http://youtu.be/UXa0XzNvuZU

 

It's time to complain on every blog and forum about the new ThinkPads.
You can try Twitter , Facebook and everything other type of social media you have access to as well.
Maybe one person from Lenovo would care.

 

To be honest I didn't think I would be able to deal with it at all, but after a month of using my Thinkpad Yoga I have gotten used to the new arrangement so that I don't even notice it. Was it a frustrating experience getting there? You damn straight it was, but I was diligent in forcing myself to use the trackpoint with the new "buttons", and now I can confidently say they work just fine. Would I like them to have left it the old way, yes sir I would, but I did adapt, and now have no problems.

Oh, and I wouldn't count on Dell to save themselves let alone us. And their trackpoint and keyboards have never worked nearly as well as Lenovo's let alone IBMs. And I am typing this on a Dell XT at the moment, and use a Dell Latitude every day at work.

 

Opened the Dynadock3.0, downloaded the new drivers installed them and it's working very well. No fan noise at all. I'll give it a few hours, but so far with some light browsing and skype, excel work the fan has not come on. During the driver install it certainly did.

Still not sure I'll keep the dock, but it works well. (I have the i7 4600u)

 

I too have no problem using the trackpoint, like others, it did take some time before I was comfortable using it.

As well, I have no discoloration in the corners of my screen. Purchased mine through Lenovo, fwiw.

 

Can anyone confirm that the i7/256GB model sold through Newegg, Fry's etc - 20CD0033US - has dual band wifi?

 

So I got this email with this picture on it.



Where's the TPY coupons :C