Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga

Thanks a lot. So all pens for Galaxy Note Series will work as well
That's cool.

 

I would not be too optimistic. I think the first case of ghosting was in 2011! And it's not the first ThinkPad affected as well. For example x220, x230, Helix ... So let`s hope or get a five year warranty.

 

Since here are a lot people now having a TPY, does anyone uses the TPY with 2.5" SSD and M.2 SSD, and the M.2 SSD as data partition.

I'm still waiting for the 4600 CPU in germany. Like other users I'd swap the original 2.5" drive with an 1TB Samsung SSD, but the charme of a physical 2nd SSD would be cool to store additional data on this SSD, maybe as encrypted drive.

 

AFAIK the panel used in TPY is the same as in Dell XPS 12 which also has ghosting issues - there is a long thread on Dell forums about this.
However, since Dell been using this panel longer (XPS 12 is on it's 2nd generation now) they have more runtime with it - recently they have finally acknowledged that this is indeed an issue with LG panels and are saying that fix has been implemented by LG and new panels are coming. Some XPS 12 users report that new systems have newer panel IDs and do not exhibit ghosting issues.

So, assuming this is indeed so, one can hope that updated panels will trickle down to TPY's too eventually (and in not so distant future).

 

You mean just before the Yoga gets discontinued , right?

 

The dell xps 12 is a 12.5" screen?

But yeah I think it might be wise to at the end of your warranty with the yoga to just inform them of the ghosting and request a new LCD panel they hopefully will be the newer batch without the issue AND the replacement panel will have to have another 3 or so months of a warranty with it as is usual with repair work done by a manufacturer.

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Yes. I had one before and was really satisfied. But after 8-10 month I noticed the ghosting and so on. And now the same with the TPY. Besides they didn't get a solution so far. And many users are not so optimistic. Let's see.

Lenovo already knows the problem. It seems like it's normal for them LCD image persistence (ghosting) - ThinkPad X220, X220i, X220 Tablet, X220i Tablet

 

4600 cpu is available trough campus point
Lenovo ThinkPad® University Yoga 20C0S0AX00 - CampusPoint - Notebooks für Studenten, Schüler, Lehrkräfte und natürlich alle Anderen
but the shipment date is unknown
ordering this configuration as soon as the shipment date is known
i7 4600 8 gb
256 ssd
NFC
3 years warrenty for 1450 €

 

Make sure the stylus is a Wacom Active stylus, I think that is the requirement IIRC

Take a look at Rick from SurfaceProArtist's reviews on the yoga, he has gone through a couple pens and given specifics of them
Surface Pro Artist

Also look at Lisa's review from MobileTechReview where she gives some specifics Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga Review - Windows 8 Convertible, Ultrabook and Laptop Reviews by MobileTechReview

I think both Rick and Lisa have visited this thread and these have been posted a few times

 

Just FYI for anyone planning to order from the Lenovo site, I just ordered mine and got 12% off using: 12CLOSE0120

I assume it will expire on the 20th, the previous code given earlier in this thread, 12CLOSE0113, had expired so I just tried a couple different dates and got that. It wouldn't surprise me if they have that code available every week and just update the date to be 7 days later.

 

Also, if you're looking for a little more extra cash back, you can click through using ebates.com. They have 5% back on Lenovo.com purchases right now.

 

Does anyone else have a lot of plastic bending/creaking/snapping around the base of the display? Near the windows button I can depress the entire bottom of the bezel beneath the glossy portion of the display. I can then press on the glossy portion and depress that below the matte plastic below.

The whole base of the display between the two hinges just bends and creaks on my machine and is sort of curved outwards.

I'm thinking of returning it and getting a MacBook Pro and plopping Linux on it (for $300 cheaper no less)....I was actually considering the T440s instead but, hey, it has a load of issues too from blacklight bleeding to brown whites

 

Which MacBook Pro are you getting for $300 less than what you paid for the Yoga?

 

With tax, my Yoga was $1800. It has an i7-4500U, 8GB of RAM, and a 256 GB SSD.

I get $100 off the MBP with my .edu address, and the only difference is an i5 instead of an i7. The MBP also has the larger screen and higher resolution (despite the same footprint). So that'd be $1400. And I wouldn't get taxed if I buy online.

So, $400 less including tax.

But the only huge drawback for me is no trackpoint . And on that note, I really hate the integrated trackpoint buttons on this gen. I looked at the T430s and X230...but terrible screens! There's no winning!

If the T440s didn't have display problems I'd get that. But it does. And the X240 still has no FHD option in the USA and school starts in 9 days for me.

 

I havn't seen much complaints about AUO made FHD displays on either 440s or 440p except those obviously defective ones.

 

Or just get another TPY that doesn't have issues from a newer build. So far reseller units are a big gamble as to whether you get an early problematic batch or a newer one. All the CTO Yoga's have been perfect from what I have heard.

No laptop competes with the Yoga for me, I need the digitiser and I will never buy a Mac, I don't like Apple as a company and refuse to support them and their annoying operating system (personal opinion)

 

I'd prefer the T904 over the Yoga but that's because I've had better experiences with Fujitsu tablets and a bigger screen is easier to write on.

BTW Steve Jobs was awesome.

 

Not sure what CTO stands for, but I ordered mine from Lenovo.

And I'd use Linux on the Mac and also recognize that you, or I, buying or not buying a Mac will have literally zero impact on Apple.

 

CTO - Configured to Order ( basically customized)

 

Macs make great fashion accessories though.

 

I know Apple won't go bankrupt from me not buying them. But not giving them my money means I don't support them. Its a personal thing, not trying to take down Apple

Did you buy it from Lenovo as a preconfigured unit? Check your product code, if it has CTO in it then its been built to order. Was it shipped from China?

 

That's what I did.

 

The T904 will be too expensive for me Also I prefer the design/looks of the Yoga.

 

Has CTO, was shipped from China.

 

Then tell Lenovo to send somebody out and fix your frigging bezel

Or drop it off to a lenovo authorised repair centre to avoid having to wait 2-3 weeks for a brand new one. Your choice though man

Your the first CTO Yoga I have heard having such issues :s

 

Well I was at Staples (Canada) and to my surprise they had a display model of the TPY Full HD non-wacom model. So this was my first time to see and lay my hands on one. I was probably there for an hour just playing around with it and here are my impressions:

Build: Solid and durable, yet thinner than I expected it to be. It won't be as indestructible as other ThinkPad's but most certainly more rugged than your average ultrabook. I like the texture of the palm rest, bottom and lid. I used to think ThinkPad's were the UGLIEST laptops on the market (I'm sorry if I offend anyone with that statement), but this machine is quite beautiful. Hinges were firm at any angle, yet not too difficult to rotate.

Display: Very nice, crisp and sharp. In the short period I tried it, I tested for ghosting and flickering and saw none at all. Scaling at 125% is perfect, not too big, not too small.

Keyboard/Trackpad: Keyboard definitely has less travel than something like a ThinkPad twist, but I think that's a good thing. They feel very tactile and the travel is still decent, but since the travel is more shallow you can type quicker since you don't have to press the key as far down. I did some typing tests online and was able to reach my top speeds with little to no errors (80-100WPM). In short, I love the keyboard and I dare say I find it better than the X1 Carbon keyboard (possibly because I have small hands). TrackPad was also solid. I really don't know why so many hate the travel of the trackpad when you press it, but I think its nice and gives more reassurance when clicking around. It also works great for click + drag actions. You can also just tap if you don't want to fully click and that works just fine, but you may have to press more lightly than you're used to, which is not a problem. Two finger scrolling works just as good as on a Mac IMO, silky smooth and accurate. Pinch to zoom is still terrible and jerky, which is more of a driver issue than a trackpad issue. The drivers also allow for 3 finger and 4 finger swipe gestures to do different functions like minimize to desktop or pull up application menu, which also worked well. The trackpad is nice and smooth rather than rough.

Trackpoint: I've never been a trackpoint user, but I can hoenstly say the trackpoint was smooth and responsive, and the top section of the trackpad functioned quite well as buttons. I am not exactly sure if I see myself using this more often than the trackpad, but if I need to it would work just fine. I really don't see why people want dedicated buttons so badly for the trackpoint. I would much rather have more trackpad real estate. I used a ThinkPad X1 Carbon with dedicated trackpoint buttons, and I didn't find them any better than this.

Heat Management: I didn't hear the fan at all, granted I was in an open store. Temperature could get moderately warm, but definitely not as warm as my Surface Pro which I find uncomfortable to hold.

Speakers: Volume is decent and good enough for my use when on the road, but have poor bass and sound tinny. I never had high expectations for my laptop speakers anyway. I use portable bluetooth speakers that get plenty loud and have great bass for when I watch videos, listen to music, etc. so it won't be a problem for me. Regardless of what laptop you have, it will never compare to dedicated speakers.

Misc: I like how it wakes up quickly from sleep (around 1.5) seconds. My surface pro takes slightly longer to wake from sleep.

I'm now more reassured that I can really settle with this machine.

 

Great to hear! Now if only it wasn't a 1+ month wait for this machine. Ordered on 1/12. Expected ship date: 2/9. Expected delivery: 2/16

 

When I inserted my 1TB SSD, I removed 16GB M2 SSD. I was also curious to know if I can use that 16GB as a physical drive but the drive was not visible anywhere. Even in Windows Disk Management or Bios Setup. It was only accessible for cashing purposes by a background caching software by lenovo. However since 1 TB is quite enough I removed my M2 SSD. Additionally it would have drained my battery.

With 1 TB HDD + 16 GB M2 SSD I had around 5 hours for my normal usage. Now with 1 TB SSD I have 6:30 hours on my normal usage.

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I've had a TPY for about a week now, and plan to return it. I got it from Costco and they have a forgiving 90-day return policy. They had the i7, 8GB memory, 256gb sdd, non-digitizer model for $1,200 (ended up about $1,265 with tax). Before this, I had a T400 for 4 or 5 years, so it was time for an upgrade.

The other contender for me was the 2012 X1 Carbon Touch (since it has gone down on price on ebay and such), and for me it won out. I figured I'd do a short comparison.

The TPY has better battery life by a large margin. I would say it lasts about 6hrs of normal use, whereas the X1 gets 4hrs (they are both i7 8GB). Those are super rough estimates. Except for the physical size, the screen on the TPY is far superior - higher res and better viewing angles. The X1 also has a screen protector over it that is not meant to be removed but which creates a screen door effect. And of course, the TPY has the ability to also be used as a tablet, which is awesome!

The X1, while being basically the same size and weight, has a larger physical screen, but a smaller resolution (1600x900). I actually liked this, since all text was easily readable without doing any scaling. The screen is the most disappointing part about the X1 as far as quality goes however, and I may attempt to remove the protective layer at some point (there have been other forum posts on this) to improve it.

The other plus of the X1 is the physical trackpoint buttons. I know a lot of people don't care, and I hoped that I wouldn't when I tried the TPY, but I really don't like the new implementation. There is quite a bit of travel when you click, and it is also quite loud (can easily wake up/annoy someone trying to sleep nearby). Also, when I use trackpoint, I often have my left thumb sitting on the left click, and my right thumb on the middle button for scrolling. This often confuses the trackpoint buttons on the TPY, and even if I clicked the left button, the middle or right button would register because my right thumb was resting there. That is something I could probably train myself out of, though. But after using the TPY for a while, I began using the touchpad more and more, because it was a much better and more consistent experience. So even though I am an avid trackpoint user and it's the main reason I still buy thinkpads, given the choice of using the touchpad or the TPY trackpoint I chose the touchpad. The X1 may end up being my last thinkpad, since if I am going to use a touchpad regardless then it opens a lot of other options. Until then I will enjoy trackpoint on the X1!

tldr; I chose the X1 Touch for larger physical screen and physical trackpoint buttons, but it was a tough choice over the TPY's better screen quality, longer battery life, and tablet mode.

 

I think there are generally many issues with these 12.5 LG panels. Although the presence of AG film makes some bias to make decision, I think that current available 13.3 LCDs are generally of better build quality. Earlier I explained my experience about a batch of 5-6 consecutive defective LCDs (Yellow / Orange Stain) and now I feel another issue. Since I use pdf books a lot and annotate with pen, I have enough time to see the screen in pure white color. In my TPY screen about 2-3 inch upper border of the screen is slightly darker than the other parts of the screen. It's definitely the screen because even I rotate it 180 degree, the same 2 inch border is slightly darker. I don't know if I can call it a variant of ghosting issue or not, but it exists all the times since I noticed it 24 hours ago. The problem is very minor and when I show it to my friends it takes few minutes for them to feel the difference. But finally every body admits the difference.

I worked with Yoga 13 & Yoga 2 Pro for several hours and none of them had such issues.

Every thing about TPY is quite good but I think for the display they didn't have much choices for the 12.5 inch LCD in the market. :-(

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I believe LG is the only supplier of 12.5" panels at the moment. No competition, plus much smaller market (There are A LOT more 13.3" laptops) = lower quality.

I wish Lenovo would simply put a high quality 13.3" IGZO panel into TPY. They have the physical space to do it, I guess they just wanted to leave bigger bezel for the tablet mode, but there are other solutions for that - Intel have shown a prototype convertible that, when switched to tablet mode, would slightly reduce the size of the displayed image and disable touch along the bezel - all in firmware/software. Perhaps in TPY 2.0...

 

Have you tried the Retina MBP (rMBP) image-retention test test for ghosting? If you did and haven't seen any ghosting I'd be very interested to know the panel ID on this unit - perhaps Lenovo got a new batch of panels with the ghosting fixed...

 

My Thinkpad Yoga arrived a week ago and i want to give you some feedback!

Config: i7-4500, AC Wlan, 1 TB SSD (Samsung 840 Evo, german distributors offer such services), 1080p with wacom digitizer

Battery: 5-6 hours of normal use. Interesting: Stock energy profile included "passive"-cooling option during battery useage. That means the unit it completely silent during light work on the go, but throttled of course... Lion share of battery useage goes to the display, haswell doesn't help with that >.<

Digitizer: Accurancy is not consistent in the stock configuration. For example the "point" is under the pen-tip on the left, but it's ~2 mm left from the pen-tip on the right side of the display-panel. Guess i have to do the bazillion-point calibration

Display: It's bright, it looks great and i don't see ghosting. I see a lot of backlight bleeding in all edges, but i don't use my laptop with black screen, so no problem for me at all. I totally like the matte coating. I think it absorbs fingerprints when compared to the experience i had with the Sony Vaio Flip 15, which was dirty very fast due to my human contamination.

Fan: Kicks in very rare and is not loud. But it is high pitched. My father and some friends don't hear the high pitch, so i guess it's a very personal thing. Some people hear high pitched noises a lot better than other. But let me say: All ultrabooks i heared have high pitched fans, they all are thin units with fast spinning, small fans. So if you really hate high pitched fans, go and buy a regular bigger laptop and no small-at-all-cost-Ultrabook. I can live with the sound, my desktop-PC is still so much more annoying in terms of sound and i lived with it without hassle too.

Wlan is working very stable and fast. The touchpad is ok, but i still don't like gestures at all. I have more misentries than anything else.

The convertible-mechanism: I really hope Thinkpad Yoga 2 will introduce a locked Touchpad just like the keyboard-locking thing. Because the keyboard-lock mechanism is just so smart and works great to provide the illusion of a flat surface for your hand.
I love the convertible-mechanism. It's simple and a lot less "crazy" like everything else i saw.
The unit is quite heavy, i would not recommend to buy it as a tablet-substitute. It's far too heavy for that purpose. But if you need a device as notepad-substitute - then it's practicable.

Quality of materials: The touchpad is a bit asymmetrical, there is a bigger gap to the right edge than the left edge. That's about the only flaw i found. The unit feels very sturdy and doesn't bend. I am very happy with the built quality.

 

Hi,
I really need help !
I tried to swap my disk with a ssd by cloning with clonezilla.
I don't know what happened but the ssd is not usable (partition created but not seen as active) and on the original disk, partitions are still there, I can still access windows but :
- I can't make a restore using the recovery partition
- When I try to go to the recovery, I have a much simpler menu than before (no access to recovery tools)
- I have a totally complete bios boot logo and windows boot logo (before I had simple white lenovo logo now I have red on black lenovo then original windows boot logo) - seems like efi partion is no more seen.

I'd like to restore my orignal disk as it was. Partitions are still there, seems like they are not used as they used to.

Sorry if my message is not clear enough.

Any help appreciated

 

I know its a bit unorthodox I was wondering if anyone in the UK has purchased a Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga from the Netherlands Web Store. I would save myself about £175 using eCoupon multimode, if I was able to purchase from Lenovo Netherlands, trouble is at checkout there's no option to ship to UK only Netherlands

I guess the EU to £ exchange rate is quite good at the moment.

Thanks

 

Hi.
I am using the Thinkpad with the Onelink Pro dock. Is there a way to stop the battery of the thinkpad yoga from charging? The Onelink Pro is always connected with an additional monitor but that leaves the battery charging all the time. Otherwise, is there some setting that allows the dock to just transmit data and use the laptop's battery without it being connected to AC power? Thanks

 

How did you clone your Internal drive to SSD? I know about the software, I want to know if you connected SSD with SATA to USB 3.0 cable? Did you clone the disk or clone the partition?

The changes in the lenovo LOGO happens when cloned SSD is inside?

If you replace back your original drive, is everything normal like before?

 

Is there any specific reason why you went with the OneLink Pro dock instead of the non pro? Other than the dvi and the display port connectors being replaced for the hdmi, is there any other major difference between the two? I have my OneLink dock, but still waiting for my TPY to come.

 

Nothing much different apart from being able to use an additional monitor. You do get 2 additional USB 3.0 ports with the dock, even though it is not a major selling point. It also comes with a VGA adapter. I had earlier bought a OneLink dock but I was able to get the Pro version at $150+taxes.I felt that the price difference was worth having a third screen and so returned the OneLink dock as I was still within the 30 day return.

 

Earlier you could set to stop charging TPY at 50%. It was located in Power Option of Lenovo Setting. Latest update of Lenovo Dependency Package has removed this feature. Just check in case you have not updated to the latest version, you can use that feature.

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Thank you. I received my thinkpad with the latest version installed and this feature is missing. It seems like it can be done with the group editor policy but I do not have the Windows 8.1 Pro version. It seems silly to remove a feature which was already available (and useful). Maybe Lenovo had their own reason but I dont understand how the OneLink docks can be used all the time if they keep charging the battery all the time.

 

The only difference between the two is that the One Link Pro dock:
-Has 2 additional USB 3.0 ports at the back. This might especially appeal to those who want to keep a hard drive plugged in all the time at the back, since the two front usb 3 ports are more for things like flash drives, charging cell phone, etc. You also have more flexibility since you now have more USB ports to spare
-DVI and Display Ports at the back. Makes it easier for having 2 displays at once, and if I'm not mistake they can go beyond 1920x1080. The HDMI on the non-pro One Link caps out at 1920x1080

I went with the one link pro dock because I got a 20% discount and for future proofing down the road. In reality though, I don't need the extra features and would of been perfectly fine with a non-pro dock. Perhaps a part of me gave in to the "I need the best and latest" syndrome.

 

I think I can be of help with this, as I just went through it on my X1C (it should be the same process though). I found an old version of the Lenovo settings dependency driver (v1.2): Download Lenovo Settings Dependency Package 1.2.5.9 for Windows 8 x86/x64

1) uninstall current settings dependency driver, then it will want to restart
2) install old version that you just downloaded, it will want to restart again
3) go into the power settings of the Lenovo settings metro app, and there should be a battery health mode all the way to the right

Now you may also be able to use this third party application that allows you to set your own charging thresholds: Power-Manager | thinkutils
Credit goes to Florian Schneidereit for that application. I ended up setting my start threshold to 60%, and stop at 70%. That way I can still get a few hours from the battery if I want, but without it ever being at full capacity.

 

Once the laptop reaches 100% when charging through the one link dock, does it stop charging and switch to outlet power?

 

Yep, connected with an usb3 cable.
Logo change happens even if original disk is in place what makes me says that either efs partition got corrupted either it's not recognized anymore

 

My thinkpad yoga just broke after 1 month of light usage. Today when I flipped open the screen from sleep, the screen refused to start. However, the computer was running extremely hot, like it was shooting on all gears running stress tests. Holding power button did not shut it down. After I let it run out of power, tried plugging the power back, but laptop does not respond/start. My 4th thinkpad in 10 years, may be my last

 

That is really unfortunate. Hope you are able to go through the return/warranty process without too much hassle

 

The X220t / X230t had quite a few issues and I'm wondering how many issues the Yoga has.

Lenovo should have learned from their mistakes by now.

 

This is interesting, because I had a similar incident. I once put my TPY to sleep for the night, and the next morning it was super hot - hotter than it had ever been, even when running cpu stress tests. Quite puzzling, since it was supposed to be asleep. But it still worked fine after that, and hasn't happened since.

 

Thanks. I was just wondering whether or not I should return mine and exchange for the pro, but I am not one who will be using more than one external monitor. I will be happy with one, except that I did want to go for a 4k monitor if possible. I guess that won't happen unless I get the pro...?
I will have to look into it and see if its worth returning to exchange.

Thanks! Appreciate the feedback.