New specs on T410, T510, and W510

Gizmodo Edge 13.3" Review

 

A picture worths a thousand words. For those who like glossy lids, which is apparently the "hip" crowd, enjoy the fingerprint magnet.

 

That is so gross.

Not to mention the large bezel of almost an inch both above and below the screen. Looks like an 80ies laptop.

 

also, glossy is a little slippery. i think if i didnt have a t60, i woulda droped my laptop several times. the grip on them is really nice, and they are rugged as hell. Im sure the edge has a home in many peoples houses, but not mine. Looks nice, but ya....

 

LaptopMag Edge 13 Review

 

Those guys use Fox.com to test streaming videos... lol

SCNR

 

New Information in Lenovos Blog Inside the box:

 

Do you think that T410 will perform better in performance thing than current T500 or in gaming ?

 

sweet!


Can anyone tell me the advantage of the i7 620m over the i5 540m?
Just 4 instead of 3 MB L3 and +1 multi at normal clock / +2 at turbo mode?

 

I believe i7m has 4 cores while i5m has 2.

 

Not necessarily. AT has a good list here to check the specs on the newer arrandale cpu's...
http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=3705

and to complicate things further, the base IGP clock speeds are also different between the low power and mainstream cpu's...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/mobile-core-i5-arrandale,2522-2.html

 

More naming..... Still better than nvidia.

 

Well, as of this month (through the end of it at least) for mobile CPUs: all 45nm Core i7 is quad, all 32nm Core i7 is dual.

The 620M is mainly just faster over the 540M. I'm almost certain though the % difference in price won't make up for the % increase in performance (which they always seem to do and not just Intel). Then I'm sure Lenovo would toss in their markup premium for the upgrade, so the difference in price would be even higher than the OEM price differences they pay.


I read a few reviews. They seem to all hint that the T#10 series' processors are a nice upgrade in performance over Penryn for CPU, but not GPU mostly in the manner that they suggested to wait a few weeks if money isn't an option. The biggest complaint is the added price. This obviously makes sense as the brand new early models will have limited supply and pent up demand simply due to their newness. That will of course merit a higher initial price point. The Penryn-based laptops of course will be less expensive as manufacturers want to clear out their stock.


The differences will of course be price with the newer models seemingly a significant amount more expensive. That's probably the biggest difference. The others would be features associated with the newer models like eSATA DisplayPort, new docks, etc.

If money is your biggest constraint, I'd go with the older models. If you want new above all else, of course you wouldn't be asking this.
The reviews are out there. So you could always just read through it... Or just wait a few days and see the offerings from Lenovo directly.

 

According to the Lenovo blog:
http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=349

The T410s (yes, the slim version of T410) will now feature switchable graphics. Can anyone say, hurray?

 

That's a HOT laptop. 16:10, LED, <1", hybrid graphics, SSD, 8GB DDR3, Core i5. My only complaint is the decreased performance of the memory bandwidth from putting that integrated graphics on the processor. (Read Anandtech).

 

Hope they'll monitor their 14" vs. 15" sales...

 

It appears the W510 can be ordered in multiple screen resolutions up to 1920x1080. Hurray!

"all way up to 1,920-by-1,080;"

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2357591,00.asp

 

More Lenovo leaks, some are from their AIO/desktop line, the rest from their Ideapad line. http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/lenovo-busts-out-ideacentre-a300-ideapad-s10-3t-and-plenty-of-o/

 

I found these great tables on a Hungarian website. Sorry if the same pics have already been posted, I only read about 1/4 of the entries in the thread

T410 T510 specs

T410s specs

W500 specs

 

From Matt Kohut's reply (#38) in this blog post:
http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=349

Some very interesting information there.

 

I thought only W510 had that FHD 95% gamut screen.

 

I hope you're not complaining, because more choices are good.

 

Until these specs appear on Lenovo.com you should not trust them 100%. I do not know where these tables were originally taken from.

Anyhow I don't think its bad if the screen is available on other models too

 

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I can't wait to get a T410s but I don't want to pay full retail and then in a few days see a 15% discount. Don't want to be greedy but any ideas on when the first discount will come?

 

Haha the first holiday is MLK day January 18th. They love to do holiday based discounts.

 

Ooh good call, assuming Lenovo even acknowledges MLK day as a holiday.

The T410 and T510 spec chart list discrete and integrated. I wonder if that implies hybrid graphics anywhere? I could always wait a couple of days to find out.

 

Only the T410s has switchable graphics.

 

even if there is didicated graphics, im really worried if its nvidia as ive stated. today, my buddy has a 9400 nv in his and i have a x1300 ati and mine was smoking his when i craked my my gpu in CCC. I know it wasnt anything like CAD, but i was playing at 1440 with 60+ fps and he was at 1280 with like 30 with same settings.... his cpu was also 2.4 ghz and mines 1.8....

i hope nv did somethings with this gpu thats comin into play. im not worried about the cpu at all on the otherhand lol. its and i5! haha

 

Is the graphics card going to be gddr5 or 3? I do agree that they are changing way to many things today. But so far this machine looks very promising but lets see what dell has to offer.

 

I would like to know how does that nVidia NVS3100M compare to ATI graphics cards - more specifically to the ATI 3650 that I currently have in my T500? Nvidia card numbers are way too cryptic for me ATM, and there are too many numbers being used by them.

 

My guess is still that it's going to be an incarnation of a N10M chip. Which would probably be less powerful than the current ones. BUT more powerful than the old NVS140M they had in the Good Old T60/T61 Days.
The successor to the HD3650 (or, before that, FX570M) should be that FX880M.

But I'm not.sure.

 

Edit: read the blog's comments but I don't think that's true, since many (if not all) of the available CPU options have an integrated GPU.

 

It is true unfortunately, at least according to Matt Kohut:

http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=349#comments

Post #34:

Post #38:

 

The NVS3100 probably will be about as fast as the 3470, based on my completely unfounded guess (assumes 8SP, 1600MHz shader, 640MHz core, 64-bit bus, 700MHz mem clock).

 

It's possible that the NVS3100 could only be slightly better than the NVS 140m in the T61. The 140m was 16SP/800MHz (shader) (I believe), whereas the NVS3100M could very well be 8SP/1600MHz (shader). There are some architectural improvements, the memory clock will probably be higher, and the non-SP (main) clock could also be higher. So the NVS3100 will almost certainly beat the NVS 140m, but it's possible that it will be about the same as or even possibly slower than the HD 3470.

The problem is, we don't know at this point, and we probably won't know until someone gets a review unit or we at least have full specs.

The stupid thing is that I have a friend who works for NVIDIA, and even he can't keep the 'marketing names' straight.

 

That's good to know Because I thought the problem lies in me when I cannot follow those names.

Somehow I can keep track of the ATI variations, although there is plenty of those too. But nVidia with all the shorthands, names, variations and numbers is just too compilicated at the moment

 

there is too many different option in CPU and GPU, it is hard to keep up.....

 

Really? Less powerful? I know this is all speculation at this point but is this something Lenovo has done in the past? I would hope the next generation T500 gets more powerful gpu. I suppose I could always look into the W series if that turns out to be the case.

 

Really confused. I find it hard to believe Lenovo didn't want to use switchable graphics on the T510, W510, and T410. Mark could be wrong or maybe he saw prototypes that didn't have it activated yet. I imagine there are some new technical hurdles they would have had to overcome with the new integrated gpu. And it looks like they did with the T410s. New models and disemination of information has never been Lenovo's strong suit so maybe something is wrong. Mark initially believed the old models could pass audio over DisplayPort after all.

Hey, I could be wrong and Lenovo stepped back from a great selling point of their hundred series Thinkpads. Maybe its better we knowthe bad news now. Microsoft at some point said they didn't want OEMs exploiting a feature in the Vista and W7 video components to result in switchable. I think the Microsoft talking head called switchable graphics a hack. Maybe Lenovo stepped back... but then we still have the T410s.

Has Lenovo taken step backwards before with graphics with a new generation? Well I remember people here said the ATI 3650/FireGL 5700 was a little slower than the Nvidia 8600/FX570 back when the T/W500 were released. Dunno if it is true.

 

Great! No nVidia for me, please

 

Same for T410...

That's bad. Now T-series is closer to the now defunct R-series. I think they want to force us to buy the T410s: "Want top-lid Roll-Cage, slim design and switchable graphic? Buy a T410s."

 

Here is what Matt replied to me:
quasi13 – enabling switchable graphics requires some additional logic in order to make it happen. Plus, the systems mix and match the use of 3, 5, and 7 series. The 7 series doesn’t have integrated graphics and adding that variable to the mix did not make sense to those who make these decisions.

 

well i think there's something to this
i think they are trying to create separation in the line

they need to be mindful of costs to keep the the t-series price competitive for corporate clients (their main target customer)
but a lot of times the changes they make to keep those costs down annoy us enthusiast customers
(but the corporate customers couldn't care less - they just want to see the lower price)

so, here's the t410s to keep enthusiasts happy
after all, we are always harping about how we are happy to pay more for better quality this and that

and the t410/510 can be focused on your average corporate spreadsheet user

 

15.6" T510

Disgusting!!!

Wooh, why would anybody be happy with a 1600x900 on a T410? You still loose compared to 1400x1050!!!!!!!!

All this damned incrementalism... they go from 4:3 to 16:10, to 16:9 to 16:8. Screw that. If they would go straight to 16:1 we would get some resistance at least.

 

It's 1440x900 because of the 16:10 aspect ratio.
Sure, 1680x1050 would be nicer, but thats above 140 PPI.
4:3 is gone (maybe forever?), so 1400x1050 is no longer an option
1440x900 is the best replacement for me. I'm switching from 15,0" 1400x1050 (=117 PPI) to 120 PPI. I'm happy with that.

 

Egad! Well this is sounding more like myth confirmed I should treasure my W500 even more. Really candid comments from Matt (past blogs seem to tap dance around cost conscience decisions). For example, this one really jumped out at me

I wonder if they like the CUDA aspects of Nvidia. I would have imagined they would have preferred the ATI for DX11. I bet Nvidia had to go for really small margins to win some companies back. Nvdia's unified mobile drivers is a nice benefit over ATI... but ATI always has said manufacturers insist have customized drivers. Wonder if there are supply problems with ATI.

Edit Ooops. ATI 4000's are stil DX10.1 The forthcomming 5000 series will be DX11

 

As far as I am concerned I am glad that they are switching to Nvidia for the better drivers. There was only 1 driver release (the initial drivers!) for the W500. It has poor OpenGL performance. DX11 is not important for CAD applications. Nvidia seems to have better OpenGL support and better overall driver support. I am FINE with Nvidia graphics.

 

In time you will be happy with 2048x512 with a whopping 200 PPI

Incrementalism sucker

 

Until they overheat and kill your computer....