New specs on T410, T510, and W510

The T510 is: configure to order - 4313CTO.

In searching for the part number on Lenovo's accessories and upgrades page, it DOES come back with a result for an Ultrabay model:

ThinkPad Serial Hard Drive Bay Adapter III Part number: 43N3412

Does anyone see a reason why this WOULDN'T mean that the Blu-Ray drive and the HDD adapter for the ultrabay I have wouldn't be compatible?

Thanks

 

The optical disk drives should be standard sizes for not just Lenovo, so I don't see a reason why it wouldn't work (also as it is listed as an accessory).

 

The 43N3412 is the slim adapter used by the W500. I'd like to see if they'll have a 12mm ultrabay sata hdd adapter; I'd rather not have a 2.5mm gap on the 510.



I'll probably pick up this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360198319158

It's 3rd party, most likely, but it loses the gap.

 

Just wait a few weeks or call tomorrow.

 

I've noticed it is a bit tricky to select smaller items in web pages or in Outlook on the T400s with touchscreen.

I wonder if this will be exacerbated with the 15.6" FHD screen in the W510. I guess, proportionally, they will be very close to each other.

 

Giving something down marks for not supporting USB 3.0 is out of line. The spec was only finalized recently, and any system coming out now would have been designed and in testing for at least 6 months. There's no way anyone would stop a release to redesign and retest a system just to get USB 3.0.

There's an eSATA port on these systems, so that should be able to handle any high-speed disk access you might need. I know it's been a while since USB 2.0 came out, but it took at least a year for that to become widespread, and that was a HUGE improvement in speed. Any current hard drives with 3.0 will really struggle to use the bandwidth.

As far as a number pad goes, I currently have a 17" HP with a number pad, and I can tell you that it's a little crammed in. On a 15" system I would guess it'd be unusably small.

 

Probably just a mechanical problem, like dirt or something. Certainly not a wide-spread problem that would stop ppl from buying thinkpads.

 

Don't rest your finger on it when you're not actively moving it.

 

Returning the T400s I just recieved, going for the W510 with touch screen.

Specs:
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I talked with the sales team, these are the parts specified for the W510; there are two part numbers for the 6-cell, this one is the correct one:
51J0499 THINKPAD SL410 / SL510 6 CELL LI-ION BATTERY
43N3412 THINKPADTHINKPAD SERIAL ATA HARD DRIVE BAY ADAPTER III

I'm going to put 8GB of RAM in it, but will get it from Newegg or Mwave to same some $.

Lastly, the sales team said they expect all the new machines (T410/s, T510, W510) to be shipped the last week of January. However, my order shows an ETA of 2/16. Guess we'll see.

 

Why everyone is talking about by a new set form egg, instead of just add additional 2 PC3-8500 from lenovo for $150 or so? Wouldn't that save more? Are there any major improvements from 8500 to 100xx?

 

For me, it's about the numbers. I'm not going to put in anything but the fastest it will support.

Granted, 1066 has a lower CAS than the 1333's so it might be a wash speed-wise, but techno-nerds want what techno-nerds want

 

AFAIK, even if you put in faster memory, the system will downclock it to the speed set in the BIOS. There is really no point in buying anything faster than the supported speed.

 

Because starting from the base config of 1x2gb, an additional 4gb dimm (->6gb total) is already +$430. That's what you pay for two 4gb modules at newegg plus you might sell your old 2gb for a few bucks.

 

i believe it's much cheaper to go directly to elite if you want a multi-touch screen.

I'm also curious about the "IN.MOB.BROAD.(3G)-QUALCOM". When you choose this option you have to select a carrier, does that mean you cannot switch to others later? How's this broadband work? Does it have monthly fee or pay as you go?

 

My T61P does this to. It's annoying as hell. The only way I can get it to stop is by wacking the case and using the navpad. (I usually use the nipple, but that gets annoying when the cursor is constantly drifting, usually to the lower left).

 

nipple mouse are known to do this. i have hp and it does this but ive own the t61p and it has down tis even the toshibas and dells do it which ive had.

 

It is cheaper if you select Elite touch. It should show $615 discounted. If you reassemble an identical system under the other two categories, the discount is less. Got to love Lenovo

On the 3G, it's a bit wierd. I have Sprint in my currnet Sony and the service has been getting worse for a while, so I wanted to go Verizon. I selected the GOBI, which I think should support all carriers, and selected "empty Verizon SIM."

This is odd because the T400s I just got didn't have the second selection area. It comes with AT&T/Verizon setup apps.

I played with the Verizon connection, they have day/month deals with no committment. Night and day faster than Sprint where I live in DFW.

Peteman100, the W510 supports 1333 DDR3.

 

Keep in mind that the Ultrabay is limited to 1,5 Gb/s. Putting an SSD in there will make for a quiet notebook, but you won't get the best SSD speeds.

 

Is there any word on how the w510 with quad-core's battery life is? especially when compared to the i5 dual core counterpart?

 

Per previous posts asking about compatability with previous model Ultrabay etc... The Tx00 and Tx10 are different mechanical designs (example: T410 is actually a plastic case - NOT Magnesium like T400). So better check compatability.

There are hp Laptops that have been launched (Envy 15) that support USB 3.0, none of the new Lenovo's seem to support that, but you could get a card insert for that I guess if really required.

Also - Had a question for you guys. The New Tx10 products support the Core i5 processors which consume 35watts, compared to previous Duo processor Pxxx in Tx00's consumed 25 watts. Thats a big increase... (10/25 = 40% more). IS this added processing power worth it ? IS the batter 40% bigger ? what am I missing?

any help, thanks. Max

 

they are just following intel's tick-tock roadmap
tick - new processor architecture (core i5, for example)
tock - improvement on this new architecture with lower wattage (6-12 months later, usually a die shrink)

 

Yeah you're missing something.

Because the graphics and memory controller were incorporated directly into the CPU die, you actually need to combine the TDP of both the chipset AND the CPU to get a good comparison. They INCREDIBLY close in numbers.
In fact, the arrandale bests the battery life in several instances. Also for a similiarly price CPU, I think the performance is about 1/3 more.

 

I could be wrong, but I thought they were incorporated into the same CPU package, not CPU die. So, in theory, Nvidia or ATI could manufacture a GPU for Intel to bundle into the package. Will probably never happen though and Intel is probably working on moving the GPU into the die as soon as they can.

 

i'm not aware that intel has changed their fundamental tick-tock roadmap
in fact, i'm still pretty sure that's their plan going forward

 

The 12.7mm ultrabay devices work in the new models.

USB 3.0 is supported on the W510. From the tabook:

 

Also, the material is one of the following three. Calling them all plastic is a bit of a disservice

Glass-fiber reinforced plastic; Carbon fiber reinforced plastic, ABS

 

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ram isn't cheaper on a "elite" model. and even those start at 2gb.

memory controller is on-die, gpu is a separate die.

 

It changed a bit. In fall 2009 Nehalem for laptops was supposed to launch with 45nm cpu's with the gpu on it (codenamed Auburndale). But that got scrapped due to the econ0my and Intel went straight into Auburndale's shrink, known as Arrandale.

 

Not the RAM, the system total. There is $615 off the "Elite ThinkPad W510 with Multi-Touch Screen" compared to $375 off the "Enhanced ThinkPad W510 with discrete graphics" and $460 on the "ThinkPad W510 with discrete graphics."

 

Does anyone know why the T510 can be ordered with both 1066 or 1333 MHz RAM? If the memory controller only supports 1066 MHz RAM on the Core i5 and Core i7, wouldn't it be better to get memory with lower latency anyway?

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_... I5-540M CP80617004116AD (BX80617I5540M).html

 

in the mixed mode thinkpads can support 6 gigs of ram, i think it costs less using mixed pair (there could be other reasons too).

 

Can you let me know how you obtained the Verizon day/month deals with no commitment? I've spent hours on the phone with Verizon over several weeks, and I can't find anyone who will give me access on my T60p, unless I have a Verizon mobile phone number, which I don't. So, they all want a commit, either for the T60p WLAN or on a new mobile phone.

Thanks!

 

It was very straight forward. During activation, the options are given. It's called "Prepaid Mobile Broadband," Might have been called "Day-Pass" previously.

 

Screen cappy of above

 

That's kind of much more expensive compare to a monthly plan.

 

Indeed, you pay for the convienence.

 

from tabook looks like the LED 1440x900 on T410 is 220nit vs T410s 300nit
Both have 300:1 contrast ratio specced.

Looks like T410 might be quite a bit chunkier but maybe better cooling? From what I have read on forums, certain laptops which are super thin (<1" no optical drive) + discrete are going to run into trouble with heat.

After looking a bit more carefully, it seems the T410 has taken a step backwards in quality. The lid is ABS plastic with carbon fibre reinforced plastic for the bottom. The machine is 5lbs with 6cell. For the T410s it has the carbon fibre + fibre glass reinforced for the lid + magnesium reinforced for the bottom. Starting @ 4lbs for the 6 cell. T410s seems to be the way to go with SSD.

 

Unless you need more than 6+ hours of battery life. The T400s also had this problem - limited selection of batteries and no slice battery option. The max you can have with the T400s and T410s is 6 cell primary and 4 cell modular bay battery as opposed to the T400 and T410 with 9 cell primary and 9 cell slice battery.

 

The T400s 6-cell battery is very thin. Traveling with two or more 6-cell's is very doable.

 

Are we going to see USB 3.0 on the T410 anytime soon?

 

Don't count on it. If Intel really releases their USB 3 stuff in 2011 only, it'll come in the Calpella refresh, at least for non-highend machines. And that would be 2012?

 

What is this NVidia card? Does it map to any of the new GeForce mobile processors?

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/nvidia_releases_mobile_geforce_300m_gpu_series

 

What about posting a working link?

 

Not sure if these have been posted before, but....

ThinkPad T410 and T410i Hardware Maintenance Manual
http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/63y0535.pdf

ThinkPad T510, T510i, and W510 Hardware Maintenance Manual
http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/63y0536.pdf

I'm not sure what the "i" signifies.

 

It's a safe bet these are in the same family. Interesting they mention waiting for Fermi.

Fermi is Nvidia's new CUDA platform. 512 cores, 3 BILLION transistors, 45nm, ECC and a whole bunch of delays.

Anybody know if the FX 880M or FX1800M's are Fermi based? Renders look awesome
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/10/30/nvidia.fermi.details.escape/

 

the i signifies intermediate like the i in the R61i thinkpad. There were p models of T series too, which has now became the W series.

 

we're not going to see fermi-based mobile product anytime soon, AFAIK

 

ya, id say for 5 months ish. ati has been out for liek 4? and we still dont see any.fermi isnt even out and like mentioned, DELAYS!

 

I mostly comprehend what you wrote, mostly.

Fermi, if you are to believe the various technical outlits, will be released in March. This is, at least, for the desktop/workstation silicon.

Data on the mysterious NVS cards is starting to come out. More than likely not Fermi-based, but releases are releases.

This could mean that the redacted models may reappear on the Lenovo site soon. Or maybe not

I'm checking on the HP site daily. The HP EliteBook 8540 p/ w has basically the same guts as the W510. HP didn't remove the devices entirely like Lenovo did, just won't let you assemble/order one and says "Coming Soon."

 

According to the sales reps, the hold up is deal to both the nVidia chip and the screen, BUT the main holdup is the screen. The screen will be a much longer wait than the chip.

Out of 3 different reps that I asked, 1 said doesn't know, and the other two gave the above answer. I would say it's pretty consistent.