New specs on T410, T510, and W510

So the 3100M in the T410 is not downclocked ( http://img9.imgup.eu/GPU-Z_T410.jpg)... means no graphics boost on the T510 - what a pity.

 

The guy I spoke to didn't know that much when I called last Monday.

The chip delays make sense as does the displays. Since I outfitted the W510 I ordered with a 15.6" multi-touch screen, mine should be available soon. Who would want that config anyway

2/16 won't come soon enough (sigh)

 

Well the T510 has 256 MB more video memory...

 

I'm having a hard time figuring out Nvidia's naming convention, but why would the NVS 3100M in the T410/T410S be clocked any differently than the NVS 3100M in the T510?

 

Well, I've about had it with the confusion, so I reassembled the current specs for the Nvidia cards. I did this from Wikipedia, NotebookCheck.net, Nvidia's site and where ever I could find data. I organized them by date they became available and the number of cores. The [] numbers on the 3100M are from oco1's GPU-Z snap on the T410.

Nvidia tomfoolery:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=43563&d=1263783827

Some of the cells are empty. PM me if you have more info or let me know a good way to share a spreadsheet.

I wish Nvidia would use something like fill-rate to guage their GPU's. I think they used to do this. Might make for comparisons with ATI.

So within some margin of error....
NVS 3100M = GeForce 210M or 310M = FX 380M
NVS 5100M = GeForce 240M = FX 880M

One question, I understand that the GeForce and Quadro cards differ in the drivers used (GeForce optimized for games, Quadro optimized for workstation apps). What's the main difference with the NVS? Middle of the road on both?

 

Uh, attachment no workie.

Try this:

 

I don't think that's going to make a big difference.

To keep the temperature low.

 

Is this something Lenovo has done in previous models?

 

Never owned a Lenovo notebook so I don't know. It's just something some manufacturers do and I had hoped Lenovo did it in this case... well, it's the W510 or a HP Elitebook then.

 

hello people,

How is the T510 compared to T500 from the point of view of the height of the palmrest? I mean - as a sensation, I have seen the dimmensions and it seems that T510 is 6 mm thicker as per the specification.

Is it OK?

 

Nobody knows yet.

I'm not sure about the thickness variance listed for the T500 (30-34mm) and T510 (32-35.8). Screen type have an impact? This is almost certianly the case on the W510 due to the multi-touch screen. This isn't available on the T510 but makes the T400s a bit fatter. Perhaps it is a thicker battery?

Like for like, I wouldn't say the T500 is 6mm thicker, looks more like 1.8 to 2mm, depending on options.

T400s: 14.1W" (WxDxH): 13.3" x 9.5" x 0.83–1.02"; 337 x 241mm x 21.1–25.9mm
T400 : 14.1W" (WxDxH): 13.2" x 10.6" x 1.1–1.3"; 335.5 x 270mm x 28–32mm
T410 : 14.1W" (WxDxH): 13.3" x 9.5" x 0.83–1.02"; 337 x 241.5mm x 21.1–25.9mm
T500 : 15.4W" (WxDxH): 14.1" x 10" x 1.2–1.3"; 357.5mm x 255mm x 30–34mm
T510 : 15.6W" (WxDxH): 14.68" x 9.65" x 1.26-1.41"; 372.8mm x 245.1mm x 32-35.8mm
W510: 15.6W" (WxDxH): 14.68" x 9.65" x 1.26-1.41"; 372.8mm x 245.1mm x 32-35.8mm

 

Because, thinkpads are not perfectly symmetrical rectangle shaped box, there is slight difference between thickness of the front edge compared to the back edge of the laptop.

 

Well, there you go

Still not a 6mm difference, just 1.8 to 2mm

 

So the T410 is as thin as the T400s?

Anyways,
just ordered the best config available.

• Intel Core i7-620M Processor (2.66GHz, 4MB L3, 1066MHz FSB)1
• Genuine Windows 7 Professional 6412
• 14.1 WXGA+ TFT, w/ LED Backlight (WWAN antenna)
• NVIDIA NVS 3100m Graphics 256MB DDR3 with AMT
• 4 GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1067MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)8
• UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad) with Fingerprint Reader
• 128 GB Solid State Drive, Serial ATA4
• DVD Recordable 8x Max Dual Layer, Ultrabay Slim (Serial ATA)5
• 9 cell Li-Ion Battery60
• Bluetooth w/ antenna
• Intel Centrino Advanced-N + WiMAX 625010
• Integrated Mobile Broadband (Gobi 2000 3G with GPS)65

ETA: 2/3/2010

 

the T400s and T410s should have the exact same dimension.

 

Congrats on the purchase. You'll have to let us know how the WiMax works for you. It's pretty good in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area. You going to use 3G as well?

 

That was another stinker about the discrete graphics: You had to get the 3G card.

At least you get some sorta Think-yada-yada GPS app now...

 

Yeah but he's asking for the T410 not T410s. The T410 is thicker and heavier than the T400s or T410s...

 

All,

I have been researching and purchasing a w510 for the past few weeks. Reason why I have been purchasing is because it has been on delay.

I first was going to go with the w500 then heard about the w510. So I wanted it. Went to their website and ran through a custom config and sent that to my pc supplier. He came back with a CTO that they had in their system with the qm820, FHD touch display that I only had the FHD and all other configurations that I wanted. 2 days after confirming that I want that notebook I look on lenovo's website and no more w510's to be displayed.

I thought that there maybe a prob as I was and am still awaiting a confirmation on a ship date. I went to lenovo.com and clicked live chat and asked a rep why they no longer have the w510 on their website.

Supposivly the w510 is in such a high demand that they are no longer taking any new orders on them. There is no problems with the machines just HIGH DEMAND. All orders that have been placed will be filled.

Now I am just praying my sales rep has his hands on this one. Still awaiting confirmation.

 

I'm curious - why is the 9-cell battery the only option for the T510, since I'm assuming it's going to jut out from the back and not be flush with the case?

Update: Looks like the discrete models come with 9-cells whereas the others ship with the 6-cell.

 

I apologize if this has been covered, I tried to search the forums a bit, but I could not find anything specifically relating to my question. Before I asked a question about upgrading the CPU in laptops, and the answers I received basically said it is expensive and does not really make sense, which I completely understand. Therefore I am heavily weighing the CPU options in the T400 vs T410. I wonder how the core 2 duo T9600, core i5-520,540 and core i7 620 compare. I read on the main notebook review that the core i5's were supposed to be roughly equivalent to the T9600 for certain benchmarks due to turbo boost, but nothing really made this clear.

Basically, my primary use of the CPU will be with very intense, single-threaded algorithms. Will the turbo boost and architectural improvements on the Arrandale CPUs really make a huge impact? Updating from core i5 to core i7 almost seems like a no-brainer, as it is not very expensive. However, at the same time, I wouldn't mind saving the extra money, so if anyone thinks it is not worth it, then please say so.

Thanks, and sorry for the long post.

Ryan

 

Yes, indeed,
since someone posted those dimensions, I thought so and was wondering, even though I didn't expect it

Anyways,
I am not sure if we'll have WiMax here in Madison, Wisconsin.
But since I travel a lot I will find out pretty soon, if they have WiMax in Ye Olde Motherland

 

Good news, everybody! I confirmed with Lenovo Sales Support that the T410 and T510 with NVS 3100M graphics both support dynamic switching to/from the Intel integrated GPU.

 

Yes, get the i7. I think hte form factor improvements justify the costs of the T410 over the T400, and the i7 at that price seems to be worth it.

 

Does anybody know battery life of the quad core i7's yet? will it be THAT bad?

 

Safe to assume, but nice to confirm. Since the i5-520M, i5-540M and i7-620M have the GPU on-die and the Intel QM57 Express Chipset supports it naitively, it would have been interesting if it wasn't available.

BTW, love your name, jminiman. I say it aloud when I see one of your posts. jminiman

The quad i7's are new to Lenovo, but have been out since September. There are some reviews on the 820m. Hellishly fast, somewhat power hungry, but much more efficient than old quad core offerings.

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/09/18/intel-core-i7-for-laptops-first-review/

 

Edit: Answered my own question

 

At least you will be somewhat future-proofed. WiMAX is a logical progression of the IEEE 802.11 (802.16) standard. This is why it can sit on the same mini PCIe half card.

You should be seeing more availability this year. Sprint/Clear/Xohm got something like 3.2 billion in investments from the likes of Time Warner and Google to expand their network. There is also talk about Sprint and Walmart teaming up to put WiMAX towers on every Walmart roof.

Should be an interesting year for 4G as providers start pushing the new stuff onto the towers. LTE vs WiMAX... fight!

 

I thought wimax was dead?

Also about the switchable graphics, maybe that lenovo guy who said that they won't be switchable on that blog should get fired - I'm sure some (not 100% intelligent) people read it - didn't think otherwise or do any research, and immediately wrote lenovo off and ordered some other laptop.

I mean, look at all the people concerned about it on these forums, just based on that comment.

 

Alive and growing.

 

wimax was ever alive?

 

What's worse is that jerk never confirmed it. I would actually IGNORE what he said.

If WiMAX dies, Sprint is screwed, because they are betting a lot that the technology will drive their 4G

 

T510's are back on the site.

Also has mention of the slice battery; ThinkPad Battery 27++

 

There has been a lot of talk about this slice battery. Does anyone have any spec's on what this means and what it entails. I have searched around because I have a w510 on the way with a 9 cell battery. Don't know if it is a slice battery or what really a slice battery does.

 

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/...DCE704020B8E567C67D3FA082&&hide_menu_area=yes

Just ordered one with 2 day shipping.

 

Some battery info:

6-Cell (51J0499):
Six-cell, rechargeable system battery, 48Wh, 10.8 V dc, 2.6 Ah

9-Cell (45M4816): This is the part number on my order. Can't find on the site.
Likely 94Wh

Slice (57Y4545):
Nine-cell, rechargeable system battery, 94Wh, 11.1 V dc, 8.4 Ah

 

The cool thing is that this somehow snaps onto the main battery such that you've got 18-cells (discrete ThinkPad's come with 9 cell standard) running. That's a lot of juice, and no need to remove the UltraBay. That should allow for at least 3 DVDs, or enough to get me from ATL to LAX.

 

The HPs has had those for a while in the Elite books. Their version of a 12-cell battery "slice" looks pretty ridiculous It's basically a huge block of batteries with a bit of laptop wedged in the middle (talking about 21 cells for their configuration). I think Dell does the same, but I think they use LiP batteries so the dimensions are more agreeable (forms to more of a rectangular shape, like the X200 extender).

Personally, I'm not a fan of them because they hang off the underside of the laptop, making part of it much wider. A recentagular shaped laptop makes for an easier to pack item. Perhaps this is why they made the T410 thinner by what looks to be .25"...

Haha! I love how they listed 8.4 Ah and then immediately list 7.2 Amp/hour under that stat. Their usual inconsistancy shenanigans (the only consistent thing Lenovo has been doing lately with these new lines is being inconsistent with their specs!).

At least it appeasr they are using higher quality dense cells. If the math adds up and it is 94Wh, it's likely they are using the 2900mAh Panasonic Li-ion cells, which are definitely high quality. Considering that slice is brand new, you can buy that battery for at least a 10% from a third party reseller.

Otherwise, the T410 batteries appears to be compatible with existing SL410 batteries. They also seem to be use the denser cells.

 

New tabook (v370), the 2nd one for January. Maybe they ironed out some issues with the specs of the new models.

 

Danke not.sure.

For the lazy: http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/tabook.pdf

Still no mention of the NVS 5100M. *shrug*

 

6-Cell (51J0499): 48Wh != (10.8 V, 2.6 Ah) -> 28Wh

Slice (57Y4545): 94Wh (11.1V, 8.4Ah) or 90Wh (11.1V, 7.2Ah)

Stupid Lenovo and their discrepancies.

 

I'm drving to work and totally forgot to look. They have info on the normal 9cell? Sure it will be like eleventeen wh or whatever their math ends up with

 

I got this from your post and the link of the battery you posted.

 

As I consider the pros/cons of my near-future purchase of a W510, 8540w or M4500, Lenovo's inability to understand what it is they are selling is one of the strikes against the W510.

 

According to tabook, the battery (9 cell) on the t410 is the 51J0500, which is basically the same as the SL410 battery

 

Thanks for the info

 

Does the Multi Recorder Optical Drive (12.7mm) play blu ray discs? I've seen conflicting information about this. Thanks!

 

No Blu-Ray at the moment.

Comment #38

"For right now at least, Blu-Ray is out, but that doesn’t mean it cannot come back."

 

Again, Lenovo screwing up the specs. Apparently someone cannot do math: Two parallel banks of 3 cells in series (6 total) in series for a 10.8V cannot be just 2.6Ah to equal 48Wh.

Silly Lenovo....

 

Not sure if I missed it before, but the W510's are back. Didn't notice any differences from the previous listing other than you can order the longer warrantee's now.

NVIDIA NVS 5100m is listed, but not in tabook. This a normal Lenovo thing? Listing a piece of HW on CTO's that aren't in the tabook?