T440s up on Lenovo website (IPS Screen, 1080p)

Whatever "tick tock" is, Broadwell will use 14-nanometer transistor manufacturing process and will draw 30 percent less power than Haswell.

 

Here's what I remember from what a lenovo rep told me:

T540p: Oct 18 2013 through 2015 transition
T550 announced Q2 2014
T440s available up to Q2 2014
T450s announced Q2 2014
T440p through 2015 transition
T440 available to Q2 2014
T450 announced Q2 2014
T450, 450s, and 550 will be considered ultrabooks...God only knows why anyone would care.
W540 available Oct 18 2013 and planned to extend through 2015 transition
X1C refresh in Q2 2014
X240 available through Q2 2014
X250 refresh in Q2 2014
X240s available through Q2 2014
X250s refresh in Q2 2014

Product launches for Q2 2014 are tentative and will likely change, but expect the --50 series ThinkPads by next summer (June).

 

No Lenovo Rep would tell you that, they usually don´t have a clue about whats coming. And they are also not allowed to do this.

These are internal informations taken out of the roadmap and should not be posted here. Please delete them.

 

Intel alternates "new architecture" (tock) and "die shrink of same architecture" (tick) every other year - there are more details at the link I posted above.

 

Sigh, I was not cluelessly asking for a definition. In actuality, I was dismissing that "tick tock" marketing phrase in order to emphasize some compelling features offered by Broadwell.

 

Okay guys, thanks for all the Broadwell vs. Haswell info-- it's really appreciated! So let me sum up the question this way (and if this is unanswerable, just tell me): what percentage will battery life be extended by Broadwell vs. Haswell? For instance, one of you guys wrote that Broadwell will draw 30% less power, so for data streaming and internet viewing, what percentage of battery drain is attributed to the CPU? For example, will it be 30% less of 10%, or 30% less of 30%?

 

For the same computing profile, Haswell averages 6.8W while Broadwell averages 4.9W, or a 28 per cent reduction.

 

"For the same computing profile, Haswell averages 6.8W while Broadwell averages 4.9W, or a 28 per cent reduction."

Okay, and then what's the typical wattage draw of the entire computer?

 

They're supposed to start production this year, but actual products won't be available until Q3 '14 if I remember right. Definitely not any time soon.

They're claiming 30% improvement in battery life. [Edit: power consumption, not battery life.]

 

Hey, the screen and the idle task are at the top of the power-consumption list.

You tell me precisely the components in "the entire computer" (?) and the typical computing profile, and I may give an answer for a price.

 

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Right. Without specific screen information, brightness settings, etc, you really can't say. There will be an improvement in power consumption with Broadwell, but from what I've seen it won't be quite as drastic as the Ivy Bridge to Haswell jump. That said, buy a computer when you need it. If you're going to wait for the next big thing, you'll be waiting forever.

 

I don't see how 30% less draw from the CPU can lead to overall battery life savings of 30%. What percentage of the battery draw is the CPU? (The savings will be 30% of THAT.) Thanks.

 

My mistake. Power consumption, not battery life.

 

Also for the same reason as above, 30% reduction in CPU power consumption is not 30% reduction in total power consumption (as again it depends what % of total power consumption is the CPU)

 

Well they sure are taking their sweet time.

 

Lenovo always promised to release the T440s at the end of October. Apple isn't even announcing a MBP update till mid-October.

 

Yesterday (tuesday) I was talking to Lenovo rep about a different product (I was/am contemplating getting the T431s just due to need and being in school) and he said the T440s is looking more like November. I still did not purchase the T431s. A minute ago, I just ordered a new battery for my 2.5 year old Edge 14 on Amazon. Now if I can keep calm about the fact that I always have to use a mouse (due to a spill) I may be able to survive until November.

 

What does the T440s have to do with Apple's MBP (Macbook Pro)?

T440s is ONLY an ultrabook using Intel's Haswell ULV cpus that were released in July, and Apple released the 2013 Macbook Air with these Haswell ULV cpus 3 months ago. Apple's MPB uses full power mobile cpus, which Intel has not yet released.

 

This has got to be core components - CPU? LCD? Everyone's schedules are slipping.

 

A nice japanese review of the T440s (via Google translator): Google Übersetzer

 

Well who knows? I asked him why the delay. He said he doesn't know. He is just a worker. I could't get mad because Lenovo never gave us a release date. Just a month. I have no idea the process of releasing a device in relation to parts and all.

 

Acknowledged. My heartburn here is the inference that the longer it takes for the T440s to show up is that much longer it will take the T440p and that's the one I'm really interested in at this time. The T440s, for my needs, is a near miss.

 

Oh okay. Yeah I hoping to hold out for the T440s. But two months is a long time. But IPS and battery life may be worth the wait.

 

If it just weren't for the !@#$ soldered DIMM or, at the very least, give us an 8GB option. Touchpad aside, 16GB RAM in this unit and they would have been spot on.

 

During a Lenovo webinar, Lenovo said it has no problem in its supply chain. If Lenovo doesn't release its first batch of product refresh at the beginning of October, I would then worry but there is no indication that Lenovo is off target.

 

Well the press release said end of October. And then a rep said the 29th. October could very well mean the 31st. I had to laugh at myself for getting disappointed at the delays. At the end of the day it is just a laptop. There are other options and other companies. Woo sa.

 

The L440 and L540 is coming out at the beginning of October. This is why I said if Lenovo doesn't release it on time, then we can believe there is a reason for the T440s to be delayed past Oct. Lenovo promised the Flex for the end of Sept. and it is already on sale.

 

Please, let's stop posting "Lenovo rep blah blah blah said blah blah blah." A lowly rep doesn't know more about the potential availability date than we do. Go with the end of October press release.

 

That is positive news about the Flex. Maybe there will be a trend.

 

Very true. But I figure it be better when a rep tells you later than the press release, rather than believing sooner. Saying later will get a few people riled up, but make more people happier when it comes earlier than expected rather than the other way around.

You have a point. Although I asked about the T440s the rep may not be answering my question based on individual models but instead answering based on all announced Haswell laptops. Back to the October mindset I guess.

 

Lets not forget, the T440s is already out in some countrys and currently in production (unlike T440p/T540p/W540). It is also already listet within the PSREF. I don´t think it will take until November until it will be released in the USA, my guess is early to mid October.

 

ibmthink, has your T440s being shipped yet?

 

I just hope that t440s and t440p will be released soon because if not I will have to buy t430s

 

Why not the T431s? I initially wanted the T430s and was close to buying until Lenovo botched my order twice.
The only pro for the T430s (in light of the T440s) is the extended battery right?. When you option the T430s like T431s (upgrade screen, add camera, 4 in 1 card reader,, and I think one more option) they price difference is less than $40. Add fingerprint reader and they are the exact same price..

 

T440s blows the T430s away in battery life, Haswell + 95Wh. Ivy Bridge was actually a small step back in power consumption from Sandy Bridge.

 

I start college in two weeks and would like to have the T440s by then but I don't really mind since I rarely had a class the past 3 years required a laptop. To help me stick with buying the T440s, I paid the $280 for the Ultra dock so I don't really have a choice now hahaha. It is so worth the wait.

Anyways, back to the T440s. How do you guys think the carbon fiber lid is made and the magnesium body? What would you think be the lifespan of the T440s? I feel with a SSD, this machine will last as long as the battery holds a charge and after that, you can always buy another battery.

 

Your wait may not be too long, I agree with ibmthink that it'll be early to mid October because some info from Lenovo mentioned earlier availability.

I don't have the links handy, but there are some articles and videos showing the design and construction of the T431s/T440s.

There's no reason to think it won't be a durable machine, but I still recommend getting a 3-year (or even longer) warranty if you're planning on keeping it for a long time. If you pay by credit card, some cards offer an additional year of warranty.

 

@ibmthink - what OS are you planning to run on yours? Any chance of a linux (pref debian based) review?

 

Besides the initial information release, has anyone seen a T440s with dGPU 730M anywhere? I was hoping to get that one, since it's a perfect laptop for me, but there doesn't seem to be any version of it with dGPU =[

 

It is available in Hong Kong, but for college students only:
The Hong Kong Polytechnic University - Notebook Ownership Program 2013

 

If that's accurate, and lenovo's engineers indeed designed the T440s with the 730M dGPU in mind, then why wouldn't it be offered in other regions?

And why would the T440 only offer a 720M despite being 25% thicker? And why wouldn't the T440p offer something more powerful as it's even thicker?

This makes no sense.

 

I believe the T440 is the same thickness as the T440s.
Lenovo's ThinkPad T440 packs dual batteries, runs up to 17 hours | PCWorld

 

The genius of marketing!

 

Remember how the T430u was actually heavier than the T430s?

 

And a horrible screen.

 

Any word on the specific processors that will be in this? Really hoping for an 4x5xU processor for awesome integrated graphics. Especially the 4558U which manufacturers really need to use more.

 

The tabook.pdf file posted in this thread only listed 4200U, 4300U, and 4600U :-\. The thing is that the higher end IGP comes with a significantly higher TDP, though now I'm wondering since some variants are available with GT730m discrete graphics I sort of think that they might already be capable of cooling a higher wattage CPU. Although the discrete GPU would have a separate heatsink or heat pipe or something so maybe that's just a different story altogether.

 

It uses the same fins to cool it but has it own heatsink to the fins. The GT630M is also able to just turn itself of due to Nvidia Optimus so you might not see a change in power consumption based on certain task.

 

Right, but it still needs to be able to handle the max TDP of both CPU and GPU. If you're saying that there's only one fan then naively I would assume that the same cooling system could support the higher end Iris IGP but of course as an outsider with no experience whatsoever in designing cooling systems I obviously don't have any real insight into why Iris isn't an option. I guess some people may hope that eventually an Iris carrying CPU could become an option but I want to get this as soon as I can so I'm not waiting around for something that will likely never come.

 

I'm pretty sure that lenovo will offer dGPU options in other regions, at least in Mainland China. In fact, most if not all T series in Mainland China are with dGPU. It's hard to buy one without it! You only need to wait.

Agree.