T440s up on Lenovo website (IPS Screen, 1080p)

I think people are making these comparisons because the T4xxs line used to have full power CPUs. The T440s is in a different class, the T440 sucks, and the T440p is huge (and yet again in a different class,) so people upgrading from previous T4xxs machines are forced into a big change...

 

elitebook 840 seems to be a budget line notebook.

 

The battery capacity on the MBA is 54wh, not 57wh. But with MBA you don't have a choice about the battery capacity, on T440s there are several choices.

 

I don't think Elitebooks are a budget line. There's also the very similar upcoming ZBook 14 and Folio 940...

 

For what it's worth, I'm currently making the same decision (between rMBP and the T440s) so I don't think it makes sense to say they aren't comparable notebooks.

When I started my search (6 full months ago), I knew I wanted portability, solid battery life, 14-15" screen, at least 500GB SSD, and at least 12 GB RAM. That's all I wanted. I'm still waiting (and at this point regret not pulling the trigger on a rMBP or Samsung Series 9 in June).

At this point, given the fact that I'd need to upgrade the SSD myself on the Lenovo (not a big deal but a bit of an extra pain), the RAM will be limited to 12GB, the touchpad seems questionable, and the inferior build quality to the rMBP (say what you want, but I know exactly what I'm getting with a rMBP), I think I'm leaning toward my first mac purchase ever. Not looking forward to making the OS change, but I definitely believe the macbook will be a better purchase in the end. I'm expected to get 4 years out of it at least.

Just my two cents, been following both this thread and the one over at macrumors for far far too long now.

 

No it isn't, but what else could you say in an act of desperation?

Do you realize that Apple's Macbook Air i7, 8GB ram, 256GB SSD is only $1549, which is $950 cheaper than the T440s in the same configuration?
Is the MBA a budget line notebook too?


HP's Elitebook 800 series is actually an Enterprise grade notebook with full MIL-STD 810G spec testing and a UNIBODY Magnesium chassis.
It actually offers alot more than the T440s for the money.

 

So you believe T440s will be more than $2000 because one reseller is charging that much? Give m a break.

As for the enterprise grade ones from HP, our company actually has a lot.

 

The Macbook Air gets a phenomenal 12hrs runtime with Wifi on, web surfing & email etc. No one needs a larger battery because Apple optimized the hardware properly.

The T440s barely manages to achieve 6hrs, and if you want more you have to install a thick battery that sticks out the bottom like a tumor and actually elevates the back of the notebook like a jacked up pick-up truck. This is nothing to brag about.

 

I'm using the prices linked by your fellow Lenovo pimp.
If you live by the sword, you die by the sword

 

The 20AR0018US is a globally available non-TopSeller model which means it's significantly more expensive. In general, the entire 20AR line is more expensive than the 20AQ line despite equivalent specifications.

If you get a CTO model, the cost will be comparable to the Elitebook's $1,900.

 

To call someone a pimp disqualifies yourself from any serious discussion.

Previously I know you hate lenovo and thinkpad. Thanks for the tantrum, we know that you hate people who loves T440s.

 

The T440s just isnt in the same class as a rMPB. It's an ultrabook.

I never thought I would buy a Mac, but after getting fed up with Lenovo destroying the Thinkpad brand last year I bought my first Macbook Air (2012). It was fantastic.
When they released the 2013 MBA this summer I put my 2012 for sale. It sold it in 3 days for only $200 less 11 months later and I got the 2013. I was shocked at how well it kept it's value. The 2013 has been incredible for battery life and it's not just OSX. Windows 8 installs in native UEFI mode on the MBA instead of simulated bios, so even it gets 8-9 hrs.

 

No, i don't hate Thinkpad at all, at least not what they used to be before Lenovo destroyed the brand.

I just despise company shills pretending to be ordinary users that spend their days misleading people on this forum.
You, IBMThink and a few others attack anyone who posts any difference of opinion that interferes with your Lenovo marketing campaign.

 

So anyone who loves their thinkpads must be working for lenovo? You might seek some prof help if you really think so.

 

I just don't understand this logic. The definition of an ultrabook is "Ultrabook is a specification and brand developed by Intel for a class of high-end subnotebooks which are designed to feature reduced bulk without compromising performance and battery life."

The rMBP will have at least 50% more battery life in the newer versions, comparable "bulk", and better performance. I was really hoping the T440s would be the answer to my problems, but I think the MBP (or even a MBA if the new offerings are unimpressive) will be my solution.

 

What are your usage? If a lot of CPU intensive jobs, then you want to take into account of the cooling mechanism as well. My i7 X220 can easily heat to over 90C, which limits the potential of the i7 CPU (wish I had got an i5).

 

Very interesting. I also never considered potentially getting an Apple notebook until I saw the great battery life with the new Haswells, light weight, decent keyboard, excellent trackpad, good build quality. Though I might lean towards the rMBP for the screen, I might consider the MBA as well. As for Lenovo, some of their decisions are questionable. I like the screen choices though 1080p in a 14" design is too much and scaling might not work as well as Apple's OS. Other than that, the T440s also looks decent. So I guess one would do well to get either notebook. Though I must admit I'm not sure about the new dark gray design of the new Thinkpads along with the new trackpads. Kind of strange though I should not criticize before using it. Also, the internal battery plus the external is also something different - not sure how well this will work in the long run in terms of battery life. With Apple, you kind of know that everything is internal and sealed.

 

Nothing crazy CPU intensive, some dynamic programming in MATLAB and a lot of statistical work in STATA. This is basically a desktop replacement at home (I have a desktop at work), but the rMBP is probably still overkill for what I need. Money isn't really an issue though (it'll be subsidized considerably by some consulting work I do) and I want the best laptop for my needs.

 

You probably wanted to compare against 20AQ004JUS instead, which is only $1,857.79. Of course, it also has the multi-touch display for that price (along with 8GB and 256GB SSD).

When I can get my hands on one, I'll probably add the 960GB Crucial M500, so smallest HDD or SSD would be fine for me.

 

It is more like Lenovo removed it because many people think it is stupid to have a bunch of flashing leds 99% of the time. People actually want a good looking professional laptop. Even the MBA doesn't have LED. However, I notice you like to hate everyone who actually likes the product but you seem to be one of those old grouchy classic ThinkPad user stuck in 2006. I guess most people will only have to deal with you once and after this year, it will be set.

 

FYI guys there is a thread for the HP 800 series that is basically about the 840 here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...01-hp-elitebook-800-series-owners-lounge.html

Anyway, like a lot of you, I am now seriously considering a MBP for the first time ever.
It's also pretty ironic because the original post in this thread was made to make people get pcs instead of Macbooks

 

Didn't want to wait for the T440s any longer, so I ended up snatching a Yoga 2 Pro today. It's a steal at $1199 for i7/8GB/256GB and the 3200x1800 IPS screen, and at 3.1 lbs it's incredibly portable. Still not sure if Best Buy made an mistake on the pricing, considering the press release said starting at $1099 for the i3 4010u model. I wanted a high quality screen and the feel of Lenovo's keyboard.

I am extremely pleased.

 

"Stupid to have a bunch of flashing leds 99% of the time" is valid, but how about a BIOS option or something. We don't even have the caps lock indicator with the new TPs, neither can we see a power indicator when the lid is closed. Disk operation indicator is lost as well.

Caps Lock and disk operation indicators can be replaced by a software solution if you don't autohide taskbar/shell/dock. A-shell power light, on the other hand, is a useful warning device that can't be replaced.

 

Just to shed some light on pricing, I ordered my T440s yesterday with following specs: i7-4600U, 8GB, HDD 1TB, FHD with touch, ac wireless and 6cell battery for 1731eur. Adding 200eur for Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD I will buy myself the price is at around 1950eur. I intend to buy the 3cell battery as well since I travel quite a bit and I like to have options so I guess that adds additional ~100eur?

I didn't wait for retailers to publish their prices, I just bugged them via e-mail every week and I got to order it before it even appeared on the page ^_^

 

I heard some owners of t440s complaining the 840pro is not compatible with the machine.

 

You are in Europe, so it's different. I guess 1731 euro is the normal price over there? In the US, it would still be around $1731, only in USD.

 

Interesting, do you have any links where I could read this discussions?

Yes, I believe the pricing for ThinkPads is more or less whatever the price in USD in US is, the price in EU will be the same number in EUR (or the otherway around in this case, considering EU got the ThinkPads first) =]

 

Usually, ThinkPads are much more affordable in the USA. The T430s for example costs only 840 $ on Lenovo.com. You won´t find it anywhere in Europe for this price, the T430s starts at 1350 € in non-student configs here in Germany, even as a student you won´t get one for less than 1100 €.

 

they are from a chinese forum, seems like x240s also has the same problem

 

Would you mind providing the links for it? I'll decipher them myself somehow =]

 

The ThinkPad logo on the top actually has a glowing LED in the "I" that lets you know if it is in standby. It is very subtle and nice. I feel like disk operation is useless in an era where most machines come with SSD but I am sure there will be a few folk who will stick to standard drives.

 

Thanks. Didn't notice that.

SSD+HDD hybrid setups are common and will stay common for some time. Besides, even if you have only SSDs, it's still helpful to know that a background process is busy with your disk. I do agree that it's not a must, and can be replaced by software solutions.


So the only thing that's really missing is the caps lock light, which is bad news only for those who love autohide.

 

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is it out yet ?

 

Basically it's saying that a T440s can't boot from a 840PRO.

 

The UK Lenovo site is now listing prices for three models of the T440p
ThinkPad T440p Business Laptop | Lenovo d | Lenovo (UK)

The i7 with NVIDIA graphics (but only a HD+ 1600 x 900 screen) is a bit cheaper here:
20AN006VUK Lenovo Thinkpad T440p, Intel £1375.62 and quotes delivery from October 29th.

£1375.62 includes VAT sales tax and delivery. It is ~ $US 2190 or €1620

The T440s page at Lenovo UK ThinkPad T440s Ultrabook Laptop | Lenovo (UK) still doesn't have links to the prices.

 

hurry and come out already t440s!!

 

I know right? I'm lucky that grad school homework is kicking my right now or I'd be spending hours trying to find out when this was coming out. Now I just check this thread on my phone several times a day ;-)

 

It's saying that the 840pro works well for a while, then suddenly the machine can't recognize the drive. And all the data on the drive may gone.

 

Do previous generation TrackPoint caps work on the T440S? I love the "cat's tongue" caps, but I haven't recognized any like that in pictures of the new unit, and the previous cap packs don't show in the compatibility matrix.

 

Great - about time!

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Wow - what was the reason?

Is it only the pro version of the drive that has the problem? I was going to use one of those, or the Evo version.

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Same here, but I can't find any other info on it apart from that chinese forum. I guess not to many people have T440s yet. =[

 

I'm looking at the parts diagram for this machine and scratching my head. Everything is accessed by removing the base cover, so everything is mounted upside down. In past machines, everything sat in the base cover. So what is it that all the components are mounted too? Not the keyboard bezel. So there has to be some structure in the middle, but no such thing is shown in the parts diagram.

This is it. It's can't be the keyboard bezel. Why is it not in the parts diagram.

 

Yes, they work. They are not in the compatibility matrix, cause Lenovo has intruduced new TrackPoint caps with less height. But the old ones still fit very well.

It is the keyboard-bezel. As with all other T4xxs, the roll-cage is bonded with the keyboard-bezel.

 

I don't want to be pressing a trackpad. I do not like one button trackpads and I would not enjoy pressing the top of one when I am using the trackpoint. I do not personally like that design. I do not need scrolling with trackpoint, I like multitouch scroll on the trackpad right below. It is easier for me to scroll more accurately that way.

I also could not find any reviews, but the stated battery life is longer. Worst case battery is the same so I would not lose anything with the 840 (and for my personal needs found it a better fit).

I care about upgrading parts, which the t440s does not really support.

Definitely will post a small review when I receive it.

One of the reasons I voted in favor of the 840. Better specs for less money.

 

Nonsense, You can upgrade almost everything if you want, and very easily - RAM, HDD; WWAN card, WLAN card. everything is very easily accessed under the base-cover.

A very inefficient way, to scroll, cause you have to move away your hand from the TrackPoint and the keyboard every time you want scroll.

 

Nonsense. Did you really believe that quoted Lenovo price? FHD+i7 upgrade is $1500 max. Install the SSD and RAM yourself, and you have a comparable price to the HP (although no dGPU, and capped at 12gb RAM).

 

Yeah, pretty sure until it's actually purchaseable from the site we won't know how much it costs. The topseller models of whatever he weird pricing.

 

"Buy Now" links to the T440p models are not currently working, so I wonder if someone in the UK jumped the gun.