T440s up on Lenovo website (IPS Screen, 1080p)

samsung 840 vs. 840pro definitely different devices
space for "wear leveling or smth" hidden from user and system sw
256gb - pro model mlc based
240gb - non pro model, tlc based

 

For all of you non-hardcore thinkpad fans (and users of docking stations).....Seriously consider the Yoga 2 Pro. I was firmly decided on the T440s for a long time, but then the Yoga came out. Since I didn't ever need a docking port I just decided to try it out and I loved it, so I bought it.
The keyboard is not crap either, it's more or less an exact replica of a Macbook Pro keyboard. The touchpad is the best I've ever used on a windows laptop too!

However, I'm still following this thread just in case something interesting happens.....
~Jay

 

Don't you mean non docking station user? I was getting excited for a moment when you said users of docking station. If the Yoga 2 Pro had a DisplayPort, it would have been okay since you can drive 3 monitors using a DP MST HUB. Unfotunately, it is HDMI.

 

Isn't one HDMI port with 4K support good enough? It's not like the hardware could handle much more.

 

HDMI and 4K... ?

 

Doesn't HDMI 1.4 support QFHD 30Hz?

 

Yes, up to 3820x2160 at 30 Hz.

 

Ah I was probably thinking of touch / non-touch.

S

 

Aaaah... but who wants 30 Hz...?

Bottom line: HDMI was junk and still is junk.

 

We are talking about T440s here, not some powerful DTR with a 100W+ dGPU. The machine can't even do 4K 60Hz playback, let alone 3D rendering.

4K 60Hz is supported on HDMI 2.0, if your machine can handle the load.

 

is anybody going to talk about how offensive it is that these have still not been released? They should have been released in july or august so that students could have them for the new semester. THIS IS *()*&)(*&)(* & RIDICULOUS!!!!! NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT PEOPLE IN OTHER COUNTRIES ARE ABLE TO ORDER THEM. USA [SIZE=6[/U] ]NEEDS THESE RELEASED NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/SIZE]!!!

 

Do you know anything about the HD+ L440 screen (and whether it is "the old Lenovo POS")? What don't you like about the old HD+ screens? Viewing angles aren't that big of a deal for me (I normally just look at it head-on while it is in my lap), and while I don't like glare and reflections, I don't like a grainy screen door effect from poorly done matte screens, either. The HD+ matte screen on my current Dell E6430 is OK but not great.

 

@2013aug24,
you can already order them, if you want, and they are already shipping. They are just not released yet over Lenovo.com. Over resellers they are available in the USA since two weeks or so, for example here: Search - PC Connection

There are two new HD+ screens Lenovo now uses for all 14" ThinkPads (T431s, S431, S440, L440, T440(p/s), E440), one from Innolux and one from AUO. Both are very mediocre. While it seems they are better than the HD+ screen offered on T420(s)-T430(s), they clearly are still poor-quality TN displays with greyish-blacks and not much contrast. But at least, it seems like they have al little more contrast than the older HD+ screen and like they suffer no screen door effect.

Read the Notebookcheck reviews which already exist on these screens:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T431s-Ultrabook.93090.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-ThinkPad-S440-Touch-Ultrabook.100047.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T440s-20AQ-S00500-Notebook.103199.0.html

Note that the S440´s screen seems very dim, but thats maybe because of the matte Touchscreen.

 

I am getting annoyed as well and if Lenovo keeps playing this waiting game I may have to just look at getting the Dell latitude e7240 or e7440. It looks like a great product but I need a laptop for studying purposes and my 7 inch tablet isnt cutting it lol. The only positive I can think of and it may not even be true is that these other countries are the ginny pigs for quality control and testing purposes, so when it gets around to us they may have figured out all the defects.

 

This post is remarkably similiar to a post a month ago from the use of bold and caps. I hope this is not the same poster but I am on my phone and can't confirm. However, the reply will be the same. The T440s was/is not supposed to be available until the end of October. And if you have been following the forum the consistent rumor is October 29th. So until that day or NOvmeber 1st would you be justified in anger or whatever strong emotion you want. The T440s is not some mystery machine. We know it exists and we know it is currently available in different countries. So please relax and find something else to get "offended" by than a company not releasing a laptop BEFORE their stated time.

 

I think it is the same troll, just FYI. His account name is the date he registered

 

"Call for Availability" usually means they're not actually available... just in their ordering system. The "20AQ" models don't show up at all in my reseller of choice, while the "20AR" systems do, but aren't available yet.

 

Yes, this is the same user: http://forum.notebookreview.com/len...website-ips-screen-1080p-137.html#post9372784

Thats right, but as the user has stated in the post I linked, they seem to start to ship the US models. If you order now, you will probably get your unit in 2-3 weeks or so. If you want to oder over Lenovo.com it will mabye take a bit longer as they sell CTO units and they are not up to order yet.

 

We know that the contrast of L440 HD+ display will be 500:1, a somewhat better panel than T440s HD+ which has 400:1 according to spec sheet. Although Notebookcheck measured 237:1 on that T440s panel. Also if you're checking T440p, beware that it will have two different HD+ panels, one 400:1 and one 500:1.

 

yeah, and the pricing seems WAAAAY high for some of these configurations. I'd like Lenovo.com to get them so I can configure a BTO model and see if it's worth it.

> $2k for a FHD touch, i7, 8 RAM, and 256GB SSD? That's just ridiculous.

Just want a base i7 + touch FHD, then I can upgrade the SSD and RAM myself.

 

However, the unit that aiyapk just received was:
"The 20AR0018US is a globally available non-TopSeller model which means it's significantly more expensive. In general, the entire 20AR line is more expensive than the 20AQ line despite equivalent specifications.
"

 

13" rMBP Haswell starts at $1299, less with student discount. 3.46lbs, 9hrs battery life. Something to give serious thought to.

 

Paying for more than 4GB of ram (all soldered) and 128GB SSD (proprietary connection) on the rMBP is going to be a pain though. I'll probably get that over the t440s if it ends up being less than $1500 to upgrade to 8GB ram/256GB ssd.

Edit: Yeah, $1,499 for the 8GB ram/256GB ssd version. $1,399 if you're a student ($100 off each model)

 

That new macbook pro pricing and specs make t440s look so expensive :/

 

Here are the specs of the new 13" rMBP:

13.3" 2560x1600 IPS (16:10 aspect ratio makes it equivalent to 14")
i5-4258U 2.4/2.9 GHz Iris 5100 28 W TDP
4 GB/128 GB $1299
8 GB/256 GB $1499
8 GB/512 GB $1799 with slightly faster i5-4288U CPU
Up to 16 GB RAM (versus 12 GB)
1.57 kg (same as T440s)
31.4x21.9x1.8 cm (versus 33.1x22.6x2.05, so significantly smaller. Thicker, but otherwise smaller than Macbook Air)
9 h battery life with OS X
71.8 Wh battery (huge! 53% more than T440s at the same weight)
mini-DisplayPort and HDMI

But no way to have two drives, only two USB ports, stupid keyboard, no Ethernet without a $29 dongle, not user-upgradeable, no TrackPoint, no status LEDs, no fingerprint reader, no dock, semi-matte LCD, only one year warranty, etc

Upgrades:

i7 $300
4 GB -> 8 GB $100
4 GB -> 16 GB $300
8 GB -> 16 GB $200
1 TB SSD $500 (on $1799 model only)

This does make the T440s look bad in some ways, so definitely worth considering...

 

iris 5100. not bad. almost as good as the Nvidia 730m in the T440s

 

Really a weak update, considering Apple now also killed of their real "Pro" line (with matte displays, DVD drive and easier maintaince).

 

It's a shame they didn't give HD 4400 at least in the 13". The only issue I have with the MBP aside from the keyboard is the battery life and the fact that it's sealed. The 16:10 retina resolution, OSX and price make it very attractive nonetheless.

 

What do you mean HD 4400? It has Iris 5100.

 

I don't do anything graphics intensive. It would've been nice having the 4400, if it would've meant any longer battery life.

 

Weak update? It's cheaper, thinner, lighter, has better battery life, much faster GPU, 802.11ac WiFi, faster Thunderbolt ports, PCIe SSDs, double the max RAM, etc. Everything is better than before, unlike Lenovo, where there are always frustrating regressions!

And one of the old non-retina Pros is still available, not yet killed off.

 

Perhaps you could underclock the CPU to improve battery life. I think it's good to buy something more powerful than what you need now if you're going to keep it for a while. Or get an Air for best battery life.

 

I'd take the stock T440s at its lowest specs over the rMBP maxed out any day

 

Really? Where is the frustration for the W540 or the T440p? And the T440s? All of them are clearly better than their predessors. Compared with the T431s, T440s has much better battery life (dual-batterys!), a much better Display, better materials (rubber palmrest), AC WLAN, one more USB port, Touch-option, and it is cooler. T440p has Quad-Core CPUs (100% more CPU performance than the T430!), much better displays, AC WLAN, much easier maintaince-design, it is smaller and lighter. T540p / W540 over a much better display with FHD++, a thinner design (thinner but still better performance!), a Numpad, AC WLAN etc.

The new ThinkPad lineup is also better in every way, and the enhancements are bigger than on the new Macbooks (IPS Displays and Quad-Core on the 14" line, both very big steps). The only "frustration regression" I see is the 8 GB RAM Maximum for the X240 compared witht the X230. Everything else (keyboard and TrackPad section) is just personal preference.

 

Can you explain why?

 

@LinuxGuy

You have a T440s yet? What distro are you running and how are you finding it?

 

mainly because macbooks use EFI, but also because of the non matte display, the linux (in)compatibility, the awful touchpad, and much more

 

not yet, actually i was more into the X240 until today, when i saw that the FHD will be available only at the end of the year. i'll probably get the T440s with 3+6cell batteries when it's available and install Debian 7 with xfce on it.

 

i'd take a MBPR as I like many aspects of what they offer, but i couldnt live with the horrid keyboard and with the choice of 13 or 15 inches. i love my 14 inch screen and cant imagine having to make the choice of 13 or 15. as odd as that sounds, the decision of the two, rather than offering the perfect medium as apple often does, is a big negative.

i'll wait to see what lenovo offers in respect to pricing. i'm looking for the best value for around $1500.

 

Does anyone knows if the 440s IPS touch screen has the same screen "protector" that X1 Carbon Touch has?

X1 C Touch: Screen - protective plastic sheet af... - Lenovo Community

 

What's wrong with EFI? I built a new PC and chose to use EFI boot with both Windows and Linux and have had no problems. Heck, in theory with EFI you can even get rid of GRUB and boot a kernel directly (GRUB is easier of course).

 

I just noticed that the X440 that launched today has no discount through the Barnes and Noble Link. What are the chances that will hold true for the T440s when it launches?

 

Same here. I was going to order pretty early but not paying full price. I was also going to wait a week as Black Friday and Cyber Monday are later this year and I wanted to make sure I am in the 30 day price match guarantee in case it goes down. Any my Edge is going to last me the semester so I can purchase in December. I am sure they will have discounts. The T431s was discounted (not that much) pretty soon after it arrived.

 

Maybe the retina display is not completely matte, but still very comparable to it because of the 75% glare reduction.

 

I agree about the keyboard and about 14" screens, but the 13.3" 16:10 screen is actually slightly taller than the 14.1" 16:9. If you work with web pages, or one document at a time, the narrower 13.3" screen won't really matter.

 

Even if you only use what's available through OSX settings, you can use the 13 MBP it at 1920x 1200 and the scaling is perfect. With third party software you can go all the way to native Retina resolution. The Apple touchpad's are fantastic, good enough to replace trackpoint, esp considering how it's been mutilated in the current generation. The only things holding me back are the keyboard and battery life. I'm ready to get rid of Windows though.

I almost don't want to give Lenovo the business out of principle for what they've done to Thinkpad. If the T440s build quality ends up being like the T431s, it'll be an easy decision.. but that means ordering a T440s first and waiting for it.

Any way you slice it, Apple has hit hard with the pricing of the 13 MBP. PC manufacturers should be worried,

 

Very good train of thoughts. Personally, I could never get over the keyboard on these - battery life is a non-issue for me - and would love for someone who has actually used ThinkPads on regular basis like yourself to sell me on that aspect...

You and way too many others...

Not to throw more flame in this thread, but W8 is the best thing that has happened to Apple in recent years...IMO, that is.

 

All reviews so far say the build quality is fantastic.

I agree, though when you factor in Lenovo's discounts and 3-year warranty, Apple still commands quite a premium. Fortunately, there are some deals to be had, such as B&H's deals on the AppleCare extended warranty. Neat price table here: AppleInsider | News and rumors since 1997

By making ThinkPads more like Macbooks, Lenovo has placed itself in a position to get crushed by Apple.

 

They shouldn´t be too worried, as like everytime, the starting-price is only a very basic config. Since the Macbooks are not aftermarket upgradeable, you have to pay too much for some upgrades like more RAM (100 $ for 4 GB more RAM, or 100 $ for a 0.2 GHz faster CPU ). And then there is Apple Care, which is also very expensive.

 

IMO should read IMPO ( in most people's opinion).

The T440s has several deal-breakers:
* 1080p screen in a 14" laptop with Window's marginal DPI settings.
* Upgrades are overpriced ( IPS, Windows 7 Pro, M.2 SSD)
* Weak base models make playing Lenovo's pricing games tedious

Other issues are worrying or unappealing:
* Two batteries make me nervous about future repairs
* Clickpad looks like a compromise compared to the X1 Carbon
* Clickpad looks like a grease-magnet and the rubber-coating seems wear-prone
* Flipped Thinkpad logo reeks of consumerism
* M.2 SSD is currently an obscure ( $$$) standard
* Smart Card slot is ugly and looks like a flex-point

I'm seriously considering buying the last-generation rMBP 13... and I strongly dislike Apple! Refurbs are available for ~$1000, have 8GB of RAM standard and seem to be pretty much lag-free under Mavericks.