T440s up on Lenovo website (IPS Screen, 1080p)

How much does the 6 cell raise the machine compared to the standard battery?

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Thinkpad 68 3 cell 23.5Whr battery Height = 10.75mm

Thinkpad 68+ 6 cell 72Whr battery Height = 23.9mm

External notebook elevation 13.15mm or 0.52"

 

What is that height.

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I think it was 1.2 cm (1/2").

 

I just added the specs for each battery to my post.

It raises the back of the notebook by 13.15mm or 0.52"

 

Thanks. It's quite bulky battery compared to the 6-cell 63Wh in the X220/X230.

 

There's already an eBay US seller selling the T440s. They claim to be authorized lenovo reseller. Probably not too long until the website has it.

 

I'm not going to get into an internet argument, but suffice to say you should really look into this. Do you have a desktop keyboard?

 

I think I've seen that for sale for a couple weeks now. It's pretty expensive though.

 

Lenovo changed the case surface coating on the T440s from the classic Thinkpad midnight black to a lighter shade of dark grey.

Is the coating they used on the touchpad really that bad at resisting finger oils from marking up the pad?
Or did the guys from Notebookcheck eat a bucket of KFC while giving each other oil massages when they handled this T440s?

This looks atrocious for a brand new notebook.

 

I have a CM QuickFire TK. What is wrong with my argument? The standard agreed on is that your hands should remain in a neutral position with your arms and your arms should be bent 90 degrees. I find it very stupid that keyboard manufacture offer the ability to tilt your keyboard upwards as it is rare to be using your keyboard above your elbow.

 

On thing I noticed in the notebookcheck review was that the hinges look kind of dirty. And they really do. But if you give them a little wipe they look nice and clean. I didn't own the T440S long enough to notice fingerprints like in the picture though.

 

This isn't a big of an issue for laptops, as the wrist rest is large and effectively forces your wrists to be flat. The battery changes nothing.

I agree that desktop keyboards with no wrist rest do have this issue, though.

 

@hBGI.
The hinges are not "dirty" or something like that. Lenovo changed the color of the hinges from a bright silver tone to a more dark silver tone. I think they are anodized, and thats why they look like that. But thats only my guess.

 

No, you don't want anything to be forcing your wrists.

Your middle finger through to your wrist should be in a straight line level with your elbow when typing to avoid wrist pain & related injuries. The keyboard should be just BELOW this level, never higher, so your fingers float on the keyboard. The rear of the keyboard should NEVER be elevated like it is with the T440s' extended battery. The higher the elevation in the rear of the keyboard, the greater the stress on your wrists.

Safe computing ergonomics

 

That's what I said. They look filthy ( http://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_heck_88996f603c.jpg) but you can just wipe it off no problem.

 

That's what I meant, your wrists have to be ("forced") in the "ideal typing position." If your wrists are on the wrist rest on the laptop, you can't raise your hand/bend your wrists to type.

 

To add to this somewhat off topic discussion, most good ergonomic keyboards allow you to sort of invert the tilt, eg. the Microsoft Natural series, Kinesis Advantage. Tilting it the way cheap keyboards let you or the way the extended battery would force you to is potentially very bad for your wrists.

 

Talking about the battery. The thing that bugged me was, that for a relatively thick 14" ultrabook they could only fit a 48Wh battery inside the form factor. I think they shouldn't have gone for a 2.5" drive but a m-sata SSD instead. That way they could have fit maybe a total of 70Wh inside like the new macbook pro.

 

Then you sacrifice drive flexibility. Not everyone needs an extra 2-3 hours of battery life.

 

Sorry, with all due respect; it's impossible to place your wrists on the wrist rest, and type on the inclined keyboard raised in the rear by the extended battery without bending your wrists, and causing severe strain to your wrists.

 

Assuming that most people would opt for a SSD I think it wouldn't have been a big sacrifice.

 

Is there any reason to think that with the back of the computer raised, there is better airflow around the surrounding bottom vents and thus better cooling overall compared to computers that rest flat on a surface? Do vents on the bottom allow much heat to dissipate if they are flat on a desk?

 

Definitely a big sacrifice. I can now put 960GB of SSD in my future T440s. What could I put in (and how expensive) if it didn't take a 2.5" drive? As is, I can still add the big battery to get long battery life.

 

Why not get the Intel AC card and then you'll be set for the life of the laptop. $30 seems like a small price to pay for not having to deal with upgrading the card later.

 

That's true but I don't really have a use for N right now let alone AC, as I don't do much networked file transfers, and my campus is on g anyway. Is there any great benefit to AC besides LAN or WAN file transfers? My home internet is more likely to be the bottleneck rather than the router.

 

Estimated shipping date - 11/19 ? Are they kidding us????

 

Thread is pretty quiet after release considering this is a spec monster. Maybe more people than initially seemed might not be taking to the new Thinkpad's. I'm just not able to pull the trigger. For the great weight and resolution, there are some big tradeoffs in design. Maybe this one is worth just waiting till it hits the Outlet in a few months.

If anyone is still ordering, talk to Sarah L in Lenovo chat. She offered 20% off for Touch + 6-cell + Intel 7260 AC, $1184.

 

I was originally almost sure I would get this laptop, but to be honest, it is fiarly expensive, especially if I want to go for the i7 and an SSD (even if I install that on my own). The rMPB almost seems like a better deal at this price point especially considering the better battery life even with the non-ulv processor and the 8GB of ram with the 256GB ssd.

Obviously both have their advantages, but I have never owned a thinkpad and my roommate has the $1500 rMBP and it's really nice. I was really hoping for somewhere around $1200 for the FHD and i7 so I could upgrade the SSD myself and at least get a bit of a better value thank the macbook. Hopefully the black Friday sales bring the prices down, but I'm not banking on it.

Also, how do you negotiate prices with lenovo sales representatives?

 

Anyone know how much weight the touch screen adds? I read one review that said a full pound. I can't imagine it being that much. Lenovo chat was clueless.

Thanks,

John

 

0.3 lbs or 0.14 kg

 

Thanks!

John

 

Darn, that is a bummer. Can't you just install it and not screw it down? The double-sided ssd shouldn't be that much thicker. It is kind of lame that they didn't just add support for both double sided ssd as this doesn't affect much beside a few mm of space.

Also, Intel 530 M.2 SSD do come in both single and double sided form factor.
Single side: 80GB or 180GB
Double side: 120GB or 360GB

http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/product-specifications/ssd-530-m2-specification.pdf
Page 14 shows the spec.

 

Just to clarify the SSD thing: there are three SSD slots - 2.5, and 2 M.2s? There is one 16 GB already included, but there is an option for expansion to the double sided one. Is that upgrade worth it, e.g. would it allow double-sided Intel drives to fit?

I was planning on just replacing the HDD with a 256 GB Samsung Pro, but now the M.2 OS drives seem very enticing.

 

You can always get a single sided 180GB Intel 530 M.2 SSD. It won't be as fast as the 840 Pro but it is a lot smaller and uses less power.

 

For people who have seen more of these launches than I have, about how long is it normally between launch and the bigger sales coming along. Right now the best I can find is 15% off through barnes and noble. Is it likely that I'll see more than that in the next few weeks?

On that same note, does lenovo do any sort of price protection on orders through the barnes and noble link?

EDIT:

Also, while this is technically a T440p question, would I be better served for programming and a little video editing by upgrading to the discrete graphics or the i7-4700MQ processor?

 

Another drawback of the 3rd M.2 port: It only supports SATA 2.

 

PassMark - CPU Benchmarks - List of Benchmarked CPUs

Passmark scores
4200U - 3349
4300U - 3979
4600U - 4265

As you can see, the bang-for-the-buck on the upgrade to the 4300U is much better ~600 points higher for $100 vs ~900 points higher for $270.

 

What about the 2nd M.2 port? Does it support SATA 3?

 

WOW! That is actually pretty good to hear as I would have wasted money on the i7 otherwise. I'm guessing the i7 is so expensive because of enterprise features? I'm still somewhat bummed at how expensive this thinkpad is, but hopefully black friday will help remedy that.Im surprised that Lenovo is choosing such weak base options, like on the t440 which starts with an i3!

 

its on the site

 

AFAIK that's an 80mm M.2 card, not the 42mm the T440s needs. From what I've read Intel will only offer a few 42mm M.2 SSDs, including a 120GB Pro 1500 series version. I had seen mention of a 530-series option, too, but the latest 530-series page on Intel's site does not list any 42mm M.2 SSDs (they're all 80mm) although an 80GB 530-sereis version is available at Provantage.

 

I'm curious about this, too. Both the single and double M.2 options are 16GB, which is confusing. There must be an advantage to getting the 16GB double vs the 16GB single since it costs $40 more.

 

I just talked to a sales rep, and he said that there is a 30 day return/price match policy, that does not have a restocking fee and includes shipping both ways. That should put us right around black friday sale time if I understand the policy correctly!

 

Is that 30 days from delivery or ordering? It usually takes 2-3 weeks to ship an order.

 

The direct quote I got was "Returns must be initiated within 30 days of invoice on order to be eligible.", but I don't know if they can charge before they ship. I hadn't thought about that wrinkle, maybe someone else with more experience can chime in?

 

I'm thinking that they mean double-sided. I think that most 42mm M.2s will be double-sided, so it may be a worthy upgrade.

 

I've been following this thread for a while since I was hoping to get a Haswell lenovo to upgrade my T60 Frankenputer (had to replace the motherboard at one point).

As far as I understand it, the current product line (US) is something like:
T440 - Budget T thinkpad, basically has the same options as the T440s in terms of processors (all ULV), but no IPS and a bit bulkier, but no ultrabay.
T440p - closest thing to a successor to the old T4XX, having an ultrabay and normal power processors, but kind of heavy (5ish pounds?). IPS display.
T440s - Slightly smaller than the T440 (.5 pounds? And less if you go for touch? Any size comparisons online?). ULV processors only, but IPS display.

I'm hoping to use the computer for general everyday stuff, the single most CPU intensive thing is probably compiling large LaTeX documents, and maybe some slightly more modern games than what I've been getting off GOG.com.

Are the ULV processors in the T440s going to be a problem at all in terms of tasks like gaming (2-3 year old games) or will they start to feel really old in a few years? Is it worth upgrading to the i7 at all to give the computer more longevity? I'm in a weird situation where my budget for this computer is probably higher now than it will be in the future, so I want something that'll last me a while. Thanks!

Also, now that these are released with pricing and everything, are there still alternatives that people here think would be better? I don't want a flamewar, just other options that we can compare now that the Lenovos have been released.

 

Still confused. Whether one orders the single or double-sided M.2 card it's still 16GB, so what's the advantage of the double-sided version over the same-capacity single-sided one? I assume the M.2 space is a fixed size so any double-sided card will fit regardless of which version is ordered with the system. Or am I missing something obvious?!

 

I'm guessing that the single-sided option will only allow you to upgrade with single-sided SSDs, while with the double-sided, you can upgrade to Intel, etc., in the future. This is just speculation, however. There must be some reason.