T440s up on Lenovo website (IPS Screen, 1080p)

Seems like there are options for both integrated and descrete.

 

My post wasn't about choosing the xcarbon over the t440s, it was about comparing the t430s and the t440s.

So yeah, it's weird they would go ahead and now design the T440s in the lines of design as the Xcarbon... They could have just upgraded the Xcarbon model and with the T440s stay in the lines of the T430s design.

I guess they are widening the T series laptops to cover more markets as someone said earlier, so we will probably have something like the T430s in another T model. =D

 

Umm until the thinkpads have a descent graphics card I say fail. Dell latitude with amd 8790 can game and work hard. A Thinkpad with that card or better and you are talking fail.

 

Yup Thinkpads are definitely not for gaming, they are not built for that purpose, so it isn't a "fail" as you say. Still, I am using a T430s with the nvs5200m dedicated graphics card and I play Starcraft II with it on med graphic settings, other games will demand a much better gpu ofcourse but this is good enough for me and perhaps most.

 

Or anybody who doesn't want to be tethered to a wall. One of the main reasons that I want the T440s is so that I can charge it at night and then not have to bring my charging cord around during the day.

 

Is it possible the N14M-GS is the 730m or some variation of it?

http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c03726473.pdf

First mentioned on Page 9 (or just do find for N14m-gs).

 

Yeah, that definitely looks like it. Hopefully the T440s can switch to integrated graphics when you don't need the nVidia to save battery.

 

About double 3 cell battery:

Why don't they just put a tiny battery (or super capacitor) to hold the system for a few minutes, and a swappable 6 cell to provide extendable battery life? Why keep half of the capacity locked in?

 

That is a good idea but I like the battery life of a 6 cell with the form factor of a 3 cell. I personally don't like the bulge of the larger batteries.

 

Because with a swapable 6 cell battery you will have 9 cell in total. A swapable 9 cell battery it's just too big and will not give the choice of a 3+3 cell scenario.

 

With a swapable 6 cell battery and a tiny internal battery (cellphone battery sized, that can keep laptop RAM/network adapters/disks powered, screen off, with CPU/GPU throttled down to the minimum, for 5 minutes), there would be 6 cells in total. And having a replaceable battery in the bag would mean +100% to the battery life, rather than +50%.

But Lenovo could have had technical reasons (too much work required, battery cells & logic reuse for internal/external battery etc), or marketing (can state/emphasize the weight of the device w/o the external battery, as it still works), or 100 other reasons, to do what they did.

Either way, it's much better than internal-only battery, with ugly third-party external battery-driven power supplies for those who actually want to use the CPU/GPUs in their laptops when mobile. Considering that the competition gets by internal-only, kudos to Lenovo

 

The reason has already been posted in the topic. A 6-cell external is going to be larger than a 3-cell, as is evidenced by the optional 6-cell external battery. They wanted the "default" configuration to be slimmer than what a 6-cell external would allow. Going with the 3 + 3 gives them the same base (no swapping) battery life of the 0 + 6 configuration you're suggesting. I would assume that most users will not need the battery life provided by the swappable battery, so they're able to get the same battery life with a slimmer form factor. Swapping the battery will still give you an additional ~6 hours, plus a 6-cell external is an option.

 

Anyone have an idea of when Lenovo is going to release the T440s? Is it Coming Soon™ or will it be released in a few weeks?

 

The Lenovo online reps have said anything from August to October, but they are known for being inaccurate.

 

Given last year's chronology with the T430u and the X1C I'm more inclined to lean towards the end of that time frame than the beginning.

 

I also think we still have quite a ways before T440s's start arriving on doorsteps. We haven't even seen any major bloggers with prototypes (Engadget, Gizmodo, etc.) so once they have them to view, it's usually around a month before the product is officially announced. Even when it's announced, it then takes a few weeks to get the production line up to speed.

I'm guessing mid to late September is when we'll see real people (not testers or bloggers) start seeing T440's showing up on their doorsteps.

 

Thats not always the case. For example, the Helix: The first people got their Helix in April/May, but the "major reviews (Engadget, The Verge. Notebookcheck) got their reviews out in June or even July.

As mentioned before, the T440s is already at sale here in Germany (for students only at the moment), so I guess your estimate (late September) is wrong. See:
T440s ThinkPad 20AQS00500 - ok1.de - Shop für Lehre und Forschung
ThinkPad T440s 20AQS00600 - ok1.de - Shop für Lehre und Forschung
Campuspoint - Lenovo ThinkPad® T440s Serie - Notebooks für Studenten
etc.

The first units should arrive in mid-August.

Well, that shouldn´t be such an big issue with the T440s, because it shares many parts with the T431s, so the production can start quickly.

 

It's interesting how only one of those links has an IPS screen. And it would be wonderful if the T440s could come out mid-August.

 

I don't think my estimate is wrong as having a link to an unannounced product is just that. Nothing has been announced by Lenovo yet. I had the exact same thing happen when ordering the original X1 and the X1 Carbon. There were links for sale and "coming soon" posts but it took a month or two before anything was ready to order. Then it took another 6 weeks due to some production and logistic difficulties. Even the time quoted for an existing T431s is 2 weeks from order. The T431s shares basically the "easy" stuff to get (the body/chassis). The logistics delays may come from Intel with their Haswell chip and chipset. Or it may be the new IPS screens. Who knows?

I'm also really hoping that I am surprised and the T440s is ready to ship sooner than I estimate. My 5 year old X301 is still working great but I feel the need for more modern horsepower.

 

I read comment in the link, it seems the FHD display is not guaranteed to have IPS panel. And I doubt 1600x900 will get IPS panel too

 

There is no IPS panel for the T440s. Only the X240s comes with this option, the FHD display in the T440s is likely a high-quality TN (like the 15" FHD display). See: https://twitter.com/LenovoJP_Think/status/357670514698887169

 

wutt

maybe only in japan T440s doesn't have IPS panel (positive thinking mode ON )

 

ibmthink, your proof that theres no IPS on the T440s comes from a tweet by lenovo japan about the X240s?
thats your source? where does it say the T440s wont get IPS?

until i get comment from lenovo i'll stick with the info from the original product page which listed IPS for the T440s.

or wait til a reputable supplier or lenovo themselves starts offering it, and not some small german store which may not have all the facts yet.

 

MaX PL, maybe you shouldve used Google Translator. This tweet isn´t about the X240s, it is about the T440s. The user "nyaa" asks if the FHD display used in the T440s is IPS. Lenovos answer:

Basically, IPS is mentioned nowhere aside from the Lenovo website. See this link: ビジネスノートブックPC ThinkPadにウルトラブック新シリーズ登å´

IPS is mentioned for the X240s, but not for the T440s.

Also, see this:

Taken from: Lenovo ThinkPad

Want more sources? Well, lets see how the FHD TN Display in the T440s is doing. :hi2:Its a 14" FHD panel from AUO: http://download.lenovo.com/parts/ThinkPad/t440s_fru_list_20130724.pdf It should be the B140HAN01, thats the only 14" FHD display AUO currently produces. The brightness is also the same.

 

Wait...so now they are not going to use a 1080p IPS panel in the T440s? I actually got a T431s to just play around with the form factor and the touchpad, being that the T440s will be physically the same as the T431s. I must say, I'm quite impressed by T431s, and the prospect of having this laptop with an additional removeable battery and Haswell along with the dedicated GPU (which I believe is the equivalent of a GT720M-GT730M would make the upcoming laptop the perfect one that I have been waiting for. However, if they are going back on the IPS panel that would really disappoint me.

 

Oh this just gets better all the time. More Lenovo confusion. I guess we'll see when the review units go out. Surely they'll ship units with the best display and for the record I hope it is a Retina competitive screen. My 13" Retina MacBook Pro has turned out to be a real pleasant machine to use. I hope Lenovo steps up with SOMETHING.

 

@Kenstang,
No, no IPS panel in the T440s, But I don´t know if this is good or bad. On one side, the viewing angles of an IPS screen are clearly superior, even if the TN screen is a high-quality one like in the T530/W530 (and the T440s). But on the other side, there are many problems with IPS screens: Backlight-bleeding, ghost-pictures etc. Or just remember the IPS screen of the Envy 15, that couldn´t reproduce pure red ( http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-envy-hdx/636482-envy-15-ips-red-vs-orange-tally-39.html). So maybe a good TN screen is the better decision at this point, until all flaws of IPS are solved. An low-quality IPS screen wouldn´t be good at all.

 

Perhaps I did jump the gun on that thought. As we all know, Lenovo is known to use low quality displays, such as those found in the T430/T430s series. Now that you have brought it up, I would hate to see them actually put an IPS screen in of low quality. I've used the TN panel from the T530 with the FHD as well as the TN found in the Y510p (the matte before they went to glossy again), and I must say that I enjoyed the panel in both. If they were to use a display of that quality I would be pleased. Not to mention, am I correct in that your refresh rates in a TN panel are superior to an IPS? Who knows....it is most confusing now. I would wonder though, if they do use the TN panel for the 1080p with the touch, are we going to see the screen door effect similar to that found in the X1 Carbon Touch....

 

Well, the screen door effect on some ThinkPad is something related to some LG display (like the ones used in the X1 Carbon or the T430s), so it won´t happen with this AUO screen.

I think we can´t do anything but wait and see. I don´t think it will be a low-quality screen, nearly no FHD screen is low quality.

 

It's not IPS, because AUO uses the "AHVA" label for a similar technology. I'm pretty sure they are going to use the same screen as they use in the Alienware 14". Take a look at this review. Good screen. Too bad it isn't very bright:
Test Alienware 14 Notebook - Notebookcheck.com Tests

 

So, LG = screen door effect, and AUO = free of screen door effect? AUO, like other LCD manufacturers, produces a wide spectrum of display products with varying characteristics. One observation regarding one product cannot be used across the board.

(I would say "AUO B156HW01 V.4" is a high-quality screen. But I would never make a broad statement about all AUO screens, one way or the other.)

Please tone down your language. Saying "it might not happen with this AUO screen" or "chances are that it would not happen with this AUO screen" should be more appropriate. One cannot be so firm when making a guess.

 

Well, there never was a ThinkPad that used an AUO screen with screen-door effect, so why shouldn´t I say that? It is for certain that the particular screen-door effect, that affected all X1 Carbon units and some T420(s)/T430(s), only happened with LG screens. This screen-door effect also affected some other notebooks with LG screens (for example, the EliteBook 8470w).

I am not saying that AUO screens are flawless, or that they couldn´t have a similar effect. I am also not saying that all LG screens are crap. But the particular "screen-door-effect", that the most people here referring to, only happens on some LG screens.

P.S: You have to forgive me my language, maybe it does sound a little strict or firm, but I am not a native English speaker. While I am quite good in English, it is still maybe sometimes a bit difficult to write for me / to find the right words.

 

What about this autumn? Screen-door effect might be observed in the new ThinkPad models that use new AUO screens.

"Might, might not" = a possibility, however remote. "Will, won't" (as you usually say) = a definite outcome that can be foretold with certainty.

But, then again, who cares? Lenovo will ship their new products and the users will evaluate them then. There's no point in saying either way.

 

Both of these pages on lenovo's website say that it is going to have an IPS display.

ThinkPad T440s Ultrabook Laptop | Lenovo | Lenovo (IL)
ThinkPad T440s Ultrabook Laptop | Lenovo | Lenovo (FI)

 

Well, it seems they are wrong. It is mentioned nowhere except of these pages.

 

Re-engineered to deliver premium features including up to 5th generation Intel® Core™ processors

something tells me they might be wrong about the IPS screens too.

 

They did it for LOL

 

4th generation is "up to 5th generation"

 

Actually, it's mentioned on Tom's Hardware , Engadget, Lenovo ThinkPad T440s | Digital Trends Reviews and Lenovo ThinkPad T440s business Ultrabook packs Intel Haswell processors | ZDNet amongst others.
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Thats correct, but what is their source? Right: This one Lenovo site, which is obviously wrong. See: http://forum.notebookreview.com/len...-website-ips-screen-1080p-28.html#post9305261

 

Uhhh... I don't see that any of those summaries mention your link as their source?

 

I am with IBMthink on the IPS or the lack of it. Lenovo normally put IPS only on tablets/convertibles (X230t, yoga, twist, helix), the only exception is X220/X230.

But I hope I am wrong.

 

@B'midbar,
All of those summaries have these sites as their source, which are still wrong. But believe what you want, there is no IPS panel for the T440s.

 

remember, ibmthink is not named ibmthink for nothink, you have just to trust him this time

 

ibmthink is right, IPS is only in the X240s.



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^wait, there is no mention of FHD IPS in X240s. There is only HD, HD IPS, HD IPS Touch, FHD, FHD Touch.

 

See:

 

what a shame. I was about to order 2-3 T440s units as soon as it was about to become available and first positive reviews were in. TN panel = no thanks.

 

Are the TN panels really that bad?

 

How do you judge that jp lenovo site is more correct(or not missing info) compare to us lenovo site?

14" fhd TN panel don't even exist.