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    ThinkPad X1, X230, X230t, T430, T430s, T530, W530, L430, L530 Official

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by Andrew Baxter, May 15, 2012.

  1. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    except that they only have 2 models of their entire line up (which is more than 30 notebooks) with that interface. Design wise the change is minimal
     
  2. WilyWilly

    WilyWilly Notebook Enthusiast

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    Credit Card
     
  3. WilyWilly

    WilyWilly Notebook Enthusiast

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    Anchorage, AK, United States 06/12/2012 9:50 P.M. Arrival Scan
    Shanghai, China 06/13/2012 5:42 A.M. Departure Scan
    Shanghai, China 06/11/2012 11:34 P.M. Export Scan
    China 06/11/2012 7:18 A.M. Order Processed: Ready for UPS

    The arrival scan happened before the departure scan. So, maybe they're shipping it backwards in time. I hope Lois Lane doesn't come back to life again.
     
  4. lenardg

    lenardg Notebook Evangelist NBR Reviewer

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    Your notebook just crossed the international date line. :)

    ((offtopic))
    It's the same effect I have been planning for a New Years celebration for years:
    • 31st of dec: party in Thailand
    • 1st of jan: board the plane for Hawaii (I actually did check, there are flight available to achieve this, short stop in Japan on the way)
    • arrive in Hawaii on 31st of dec last year :) and have another new years party
    ((/offtopic))
     
  5. WilyWilly

    WilyWilly Notebook Enthusiast

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    If you order anything from Newegg, don't assume that they'll ship it signature required, even if you express that that is what you'd like.

    They leave it up to the discretion of the delivery driver. Who may not know the neighborhood very well.

    My old, once blissful, neighborhood had a drug related car bombing a couple of years ago, so obviously it has gone downhill (yeah, that is America, even in some of the once very nice areas of CT). The UPS driver decided to leave my memory on the porch...which is not enclosed. Frankly, I don't know if it was taken in by my family. But leaving it in an unenclosed area is not a good idea.

    When I asked newegg about this, I got a reply with "Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank you in advance for understanding..." Well, I don't understand and sorry doesn't change stupid actions.

    I'll have to wait a few hours to see if I'll be buying that same memory off of ebay from the neighborhood dealers.

    Newegg obviously isn't run by very smart people.
     
  6. WilyWilly

    WilyWilly Notebook Enthusiast

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    I'm aware of that. It was a bit of dry humor.
     
  7. mcdoogs

    mcdoogs Notebook Enthusiast

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    UPS has a subscription program that allows you to specify where you want your packages left in the event no one is home. Now I'm not sure it works yet, I won't know until Friday :cool: My neighborhood is also questionable at least in regards to petty thefts. If he doesnt leave my package at the back porch I have very little hope that it will be there when I get home from work.

    My x230T is somewhere between AK and KY. Here's hoping it doesnt get hung up in Customs.

    Anchorage, AK, United States 06/12/2012 11:39 P.M. Departure Scan
    06/12/2012 9:50 P.M. Arrival Scan
    Shanghai, China 06/13/2012 5:42 A.M. Departure Scan
    Shanghai, China 06/11/2012 11:32 P.M. Export Scan
    China 06/11/2012 7:18 A.M. Order Processed: Ready for UPS
     
  8. pchome

    pchome Notebook Deity

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    My T430 was supposed to ship yesterday 6/12 and it did not and the ship date did not change. Contacted Lenovo but no one can help with anything!!! So frustrating
     
  9. XX55XX

    XX55XX Notebook Evangelist

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    Same here. Must be late.
     
  10. pchome

    pchome Notebook Deity

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    A little comforted to know that I am not alone. Ease, keep me updated about your status and will do the same for you.
     
  11. pchome

    pchome Notebook Deity

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    Does the T430s have the same HD+ panel like the T430? If this question cannot be answered as of now, what was the case for their ancestors?
     
  12. WilyWilly

    WilyWilly Notebook Enthusiast

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    I really mean this, Thanks for the information. But I have signed up and subscribed to enough services. I actually asked Newegg to get a signature, and I paid 5 dollars for delivery so it wouldn't be in a soft package.
     
  13. russhw

    russhw Notebook Enthusiast

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    i had the same date as you so i called and they said it would ship by Friday.I just got home and my status has changed

    in Production ThinkPad T430s Estimated Ship Date 2012/06/13 Estimated
    Delivery Date 2012/06/20
    the end is near ;)
     
  14. Teslacoil

    Teslacoil Notebook Enthusiast

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    06/13/2012 12:35 P.M. The customer was not available on the 1st attempt. A 2nd attempt will be made. :(

    Unfortunately UPS will not let me pickup from their depot or redirect my package to a UPS store untill after 2 failed delivery attempts.
     
  15. grodem

    grodem Notebook Guru

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    Seriously this whole delivery system with Lenovo is lame

    Dell does not do this. Unfortunately I needed a Tablet
     
  16. pchome

    pchome Notebook Deity

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    At least you got yours attempted to be delivered instead of me not even shipping though I ordered 5:00 am day of launch!
     
  17. pchome

    pchome Notebook Deity

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    Through the previous year, no one could give me a convincing answer why the W520 or even the new W530 are priced less compared to T520 or the new T530 respectively when you customize them with the same exact specs (actually the W530 has higher graphics) using the same exact discount coupon or website whether they are both discounted or not? They are both the same chassis and pretty much everything is exactly the same including the display.

    Does anyone have the magical answer for me please and why one would get the T530 and not the W530 if the latter is cheaper with same or higher specs?
     
  18. pchome

    pchome Notebook Deity

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    Is the dGPU in T530 "significantly" less demanding than the dGPU in the W530?
     
  19. pchome

    pchome Notebook Deity

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    If this is a valid question, which of these two processors is more powerful: i7-3520M (dual core, 2.9 up to 3.6) or i7-3610QM (quad core, 2.3 up to 3.3)? Are there any benchmark comparison out there for these two?
     
  20. ThinkRob

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    That depends entirely on what you're using them for. Single-threaded workload? 3520M. Multi-threaded, near-perfectly scalable workload? 3610QM. Some other workload? Find exact benchmarks, since it'll be too hard to guess.

    The rule of thumb that I tell people nowadays regarding CPUs is this: If you're the sort of user that's unsure of how much CPU power you need then you probably don't need much at all, so get the cheapest chip you can.
     
  21. pchome

    pchome Notebook Deity

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    I do extensive Microsoft Office, database research, and web browsing (opening 100s of tabs simultaneously). I like your rule of thumb :)
     
  22. Pseudorandom

    Pseudorandom Notebook Evangelist

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    The 3520M will be faster in less multithreaded tasks due to higher clocks on each of its fewer cores, the 3610QM will be faster at more multithreaded tasks due to more cores.

    NoteBookCheck has a good laptop CPU benchmark list, has both CPU's on it.
    Mobile Processors - Benchmarklist - Notebookcheck.net Tech

    As for the difference between the T5x0 and W5x0, the W5x0 power brick is really really big and heavy due to the higher power requirements. The power brick is also not compatible with standard Thinkpad power bricks.

    As for UPS being stupid, how is that Lenovo's fault.
     
  23. pchome

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    Thanks. That is helpful. I guess I am gonna stick with the i7-3520M with SSD and 8GB, this should work for my needs.
     
  24. Kaso

    Kaso Notebook Virtuoso

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    Browsers such as Chrome and Firefox are multithreaded and spawn concurrent processes. Each Chrome tab is a separate process, and each process has its own set of threads.

    If you are a heavy browser user, a quad-core processor can be helpful. Also, add plenty of RAM to keep all those processes and threads (those 100s of tabs) in memory, avoiding "paging."

    EDIT: Saw your edit above after posting my comment. :)
     
  25. pchome

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    Actually, many people told me before that opening multiple tabs require more memory but is not considered a mulch-threaded process. I got confused now!

    One of the reasons I also try to stick to the dual core is that I do not need (and actually try to avoid) dGPU (power and cost-saving)
     
  26. Kaso

    Kaso Notebook Virtuoso

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    ^^^ Each tab is a separate process (a copy of Chrome itself) that has its own data structures and spawns concurrent threads to handle per-page contents. All those things demand both CPU and RAM resources.

    Say, you open 50 tabs. That translates to 50 concurrent Chrome processes. Each Chrome process, in turn, manages a set of concurrent threads, say 40, within its own address space. So, in total, there are 2,000 threads.

    EDIT: HD Graphics 4000 is available on both dual- and quad-core processors, no? Anyhow, it's your choice.
     
  27. pchome

    pchome Notebook Deity

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    I read a time ago before that FF will integrate this in the future but was not sure if it already did that. Now, why in any Windows-based machine, you have to have a dGPU if you choose a Quad-Core processor. It is really frustrating that one has to go this direction if I do not need the dGPU.
     
  28. mikew3456

    mikew3456 Notebook Consultant

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    how many memory slots are there in the w530?

    for example, when i configure it, it says 4gb takes up 1 dimm slot. i'm trying to price out extra memory at newegg but i dont know if the w530 has 2 slots or 4 slots. where can i find out?
     
  29. pchome

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    It has 4 slots.
     
  30. mikew3456

    mikew3456 Notebook Consultant

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    wow i'm retarded cause on the config page it has options for example 16gb (4 dimms) lol
     
  31. power7

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    Unless you run some javascript benchmarks in half of those tabs, and play HD video in the others, 100 tabs is mostly taxing the memory, and dual core with hyper-threading is more than adequate.

    Doubt you'll see notice any benefit from going quad in the described tasks, but you will notice the change from 65W to 170W power brick for sure :)
     
  32. Kaso

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    Are you referring to the fact that Lenovo config menu forces you to select a discrete GPU if you select a quad-core CPU?
     
  33. pchome

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    Yes, and all other companies do the same when you try to customize their machines and have a quad core processor?!
     
  34. zuku

    zuku Notebook Enthusiast

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    can anyone tell me which of these new thinkpad modems will work in Europe:
    -Qualcomm Gobi 3000 WWAN card
    -Ericsson HSPA+ WWAN Minicard (H5321gw)
    -Integrated Mobile Broadband (Sierra Wireless MC7700 - Gobi 4000 for AT&T LTE and HSPA+)
    ??
     
  35. Kaso

    Kaso Notebook Virtuoso

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    OK. Rest asssured that your order of dual-core hyper-threading i7 Ivy Bridge with integrated HD Graphics 4000 will be powerful for your needs.
     
  36. ibmthink

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    This one is made for Europe and ROW. The others are sadly US only (which means that you can´t get LTE in Europe :( )
     
  37. pchome

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    Lenovo, are you kidding me?! You state you are offering a free display upgrade then you increase the FHD upgrade to $250 instead of $200 on the T530. Those people denigrate customers' minds.
     
  38. ibmthink

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    The upgrade from HD+ to FHD costs still 200$.

    Free Display upgrade only covers the upgrade from HD to HD+.
     
  39. pchome

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    I understand how the upgrade works, but it should cost the same ($200) or less then to go from HD+ to FHD but they are smart enough that they then increased the upgrade from HD+ to FHD to $250 instead of $200 only in the T530. If you do not believe it, see for yourself when customizing. I just do not know how to share a snapshot here!
     
  40. ibmthink

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    Oh, yes, you are right. After reloading the customizing page, the price for the upgrade changed from 200$ to 250$. Maybe that was my browser-caches fault.
     
  41. WilyWilly

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    Louisville, KY, United States 06/14/2012 11:13 A.M. This shipment is warehoused until it is released by Clearing Agency.

    Looked this up, and it seems to be par for the course, as it were.

    I don't know whether this will mean the delivery happens tomorrow or Monday. Too bad I have to inconvenience other people with being on-lookout.

    Interestingly, as far as my memory from Newegg, the package was gotten off the porch by the proper people. However, that very night there was a rash of thefts from neighbors' garages.
     
  42. s1148625

    s1148625 Notebook Geek

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    Seems as though my system is in the same shipment. Hopefully Customs Agents are feeling happy and snappy today, and will get it cleared ASAP. Still hoping for an on-time delivery tomorrow, but I think this may be why Lenovo projects delivery on Monday.
     
  43. WilyWilly

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    I hadn't even thought to look at the Lenovo Order Status until reading your post.

    Mine is estimated for Sunday delivery by Lenovo - previously for Friday (tomorrow).
     
  44. WilyWilly

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    Maybe if we could get them to watch "Castaway", or "Forrest Gump" they'd have more reason to feel that way.
     
  45. s1148625

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    Mine was just imported by customs. UPS has again projected delivery for tomorrow. Fingers crossed!
     
  46. mcdoogs

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    Mine is also in KY going through Customs....sigh.

    I hold out very little hope of anyone trustworthy being available Monday or Tuesday to accept delivery without me taking a day off of work.
     
  47. WilyWilly

    WilyWilly Notebook Enthusiast

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    "ditto" good, though Lenovo still has it projected as the 17th, while UPS says the 15th. What a true adventure.
     
  48. WilyWilly

    WilyWilly Notebook Enthusiast

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    I totally get that. For me, I'm in Eastern Europe and I have to send an email every time a status change occurs...and I think that my parents/niece are sick to death of status changes and emails...though they do go with the flow.
     
  49. Supranium

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    Could u order T430s from US to EU?
    I want to buy that awesome notebook, but cant at the moment.
     
  50. Kaso

    Kaso Notebook Virtuoso

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    Not directly from Lenovo US. Maybe from some (online) vendors.

    What is so "awesome" about it?
     
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