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    ThinkPad X240

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by ibmthink, Aug 5, 2013.

  1. Raftina

    Raftina Notebook Consultant

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    That makes the keyboard layout much more attractive (for me, at least. I use home and end often and insert never). Thank you.

    Hopefully this is also true of the TP Yoga and TP 11e.
     
  2. Commander Wolf

    Commander Wolf can i haz broadwell?

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    It's for sure true on the TPY; I'm not sure about the 11e or weirder keyboards like the new X1C.
     
  3. Raftina

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    I think the 11e uses the same layout as the TPY and the X240, just without the trackpoint in the middle--which is admittedly weird for a Thinkpad, but it shouldn't have a direct effect on key functions.
     
  4. Jay-J

    Jay-J Newbie

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    Hi guys, I am torn between getting an x230 and x240. I think I even like more the older x230, but fhd on x240 is a deal breaker. The thing is there is no fhd version in my country yet. Do you think I can grab one with hd resolution and later buy a fhd panel and replace it? Are there any panels available to buy yet?
     
  5. mil2

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    Panel swap should be relatively easy. It is a risky plan though, given that there's no sign of such panels on ebay so far... You may be better off buying a prebuilt config with fhd screen from one of the Lenovo US resellers on eBay -- many of them do ship internationally. Note though that in the US the fhd configs are only available with multitouch, so if you want a regular screen, you will need to source the laptop from someplace else (Europe?).
     
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    Hi guys,

    I was hoping anyone knew which SSDs (i'm getting both 2.5" and M.2) will work in the x240? I'm looking at a Sandisk xtreme II 240GB and probably a 240GB MydigitalSSD M.2

    I've read lots on Samsungs 840 drives causing BSODs and Crucial drives also causing issues.

    Which SSDs are people using and are having no issues?

    Thanks!
     
  7. crspyjohn

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    Does anyone know where I can pick up a cheap 6cell battery? Under $100 if possible
     
  8. bmstrong

    bmstrong Notebook Geek

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    Debating a purchase. Is fan noise still an issue?
     
  10. bmstrong

    bmstrong Notebook Geek

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    I got a Crucial about a week ago and it's performed flawlessly for me.
    ( Crucial M550 256GB 2.5-inch Internal SSD | Crucial USA )
     
  12. jonlad1

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    I ended up getting a 120GB Sandisk Extreme II, also works great.

    Just in case anyone needs to know, Crucial M100 512GB also works without issue (tried this one too)
     
  13. livebriand

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    I have a t440s, not an X240, but the BIOS/UEFI is likely the same. I will warn that both a 480GB and a 120GB Crucial M500 did NOT work in that machine. As in, only detected on POST half the time. On the other hand, others say it works fine for them, and the M550 and MX100 may very well be different - I haven't tried those. At any rate, a 500GB Samsung 840 Evo worked fine for me. I'm using legacy BIOS mode with Windows 7.

    @jonlad1: Do you mean a Crucial MX100?
     
  14. bmstrong

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    ayau Newbie

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    Debating on getting an X240. Not sure if I want the HD touch or non-touch model. I'll be using Win 8.1. Is it worth the extra cost/weight for the touch model? I've never really used a touch laptop before.
     
  16. Jay-J

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    Does anyone know if a M.2 ssd disk can be used as the main disk in combination with a regular hdd just as one can have two disks on an x230? If anyone has any experience, please share what particular ssd you are using.
     
  17. Commander Wolf

    Commander Wolf can i haz broadwell?

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    I personally don't think it is. I'm still annoyed that they don't offer FHD + non-touch.

    No reason it should not work.
     
  18. Marmotta

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    Posted this on the Lenovo forums, but thought I'd try here to see if anyone could help me out...

    I just got an X240 today from work (I work for a chain of electronics stores), but it seems a bit odd. I initially thought the front battery was faulty, but it turns out that there was no internal battery and it doesn't seem as if there was ever meant to be, as there is a clearly Lenovo-made plastic bracket in its place. I assumed all X240s come with the front battery and can't find anywhere that I can buy them, so it seems very odd.

    Also, I've attempted to upgrade the original 4GB of RAM to 8GB, but I get a three beep error every time. The RAM is PC12800 and was pulled straight from my X230, so it's not an issue of incompatibility. I've also tried it multiple times, so it's not a case of not being seated correctly.

    It's annoying as I've already sold my X230 to pay for the X240 and I'm leaving the country this weekend, so don't have much time to sort it out.

    The model number is also 20A-S11S00, which can be found searching on Lenovo's website, but doesn't appear on the selection menu for drivers and support.

    I can hopefully get a battery to put in it, but the RAM issue is a bit more pressing, as I don't want to have to make do with 4GB.
     
  19. ibmthink

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    T440(s) and X240 can be ordered with no internal battery installed, as not every customer wants an internal battery in his system.

    The RAM of the X230 is incompatible - its 1.5 V RAM, all new Haswell machines require 1.35 V RAM.

    "20AS11S00" - its a special model. Normal models have two letters at the end of their model numbers, like US (USA) or GE for example (Germany). An example for a normal number would be "20AL008PUS"
     
  20. livebriand

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    The new Thinkpads (X240 and T440/T440s anyway) require DDR3L (1.35V). It looks like the X230's might've shipped with standard DDR3 (1.5V).

    Edit: Dang, someone beat me to it.
     
  21. Marmotta

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    Thanks. I was just thinking that could be the case - oh well, off to buy some 1.35V RAM then. My X230 DDR3 is RAM I installed myself, so could have been 1.35 or 1.5 really, but it's a valid reason as to why it wouldn't boot and I can't find any info on the RAM voltage (Hypertec 0A65724-HY).

    Anything particularly "special" about it? ;)

    Any recommendations for which site to order a battery from? The only ones I can find almost seem a little bit dodgy to me for whatever reason.
     
  22. ibmthink

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    Well, the front battery missing is something special I would say. :) Normally, you only can get these without the internal battery via customization on the Lenovo website (CTO units) or special bid offerings, which is the CTO option for large companies.
     
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  24. Commander Wolf

    Commander Wolf can i haz broadwell?

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    If you buy one without the internal front battery, is it simply missing or is there some sort of blank there? If there is a blank there, does it have an FRU?
     
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    There should be a blank - "No Battery Spacer", FRU 04X5439
     
  26. lordnikon

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    Does the X240 have any notification LED lights? i.e. HDD, Wireless, Power? thanks
     
  27. Bluesfella

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    On the Dutch site of Lenovo, I can order a FHD screen without touch.
     
  28. lead_org

    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    hdd and wireless led are gone. The power yes, it is on the power button.
     
  29. phositadc

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    Question for those with the i7-4600U model: Does Windows Task Manager say that the "maximum speed" of the processor is 2.69 GHz, rather than Intel's claimed 3.3 GHz? I'm not terribly concerned by it, but I do want to make sure I'm not alone on this...

    task_manager.jpg
     
  30. MidnightSun

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    For CPUs with Intel's Turbo Boost, the "unboosted" clock rate is indicated. For the i7-4600U, that would be 2.7 GHz. For the i5-4200U in my T440s, for example, the Task Manager indicates 1.6 GHz.
     
  31. livebriand

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    The nominal for the 4600U is 2.1GHz though. For what it's worth, the i5 4300U in my T440s shows as "i5 4300U @1.9GHz 2.5GHz". Nominal is 1.9GHz, but turbo is supposedly 2.9GHz (though I've never seen it go there).
     
  32. MidnightSun

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    Whoops, serves me right for not actually clicking on the screenshot, thanks for the correction.

    The "maximum speed" reported by Task Manager seems to be closer to the maximum 2-core Turbo Boosted clock rate (which for the i7-4600U is supposedly 2.9 GHz). The max clock speed reported by Intel is for single-core Turbo Boost, which would theoretically allow one core to reach 3.3 GHz on the i7-4600U.

    The "maximum speed" of the i5-4200U in my T440s is reported as 2.30 GHz, which is the max 2-core Turbo Boosted clock rate.
     
  33. phositadc

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    Thanks for the info.

    If anybody else has a ThinkPad with the i7-4600U, I'd appreciate if you could check Task Manager and see what "maximum speed" is reported on the "Performance" tab. Thanks.
     
  34. ColMaki

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    I'm looking to buy a X240 in the next 2 weeks. Any special deals that may be available?
     
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    Does anyone know if the Gobi 5000 (AT&T) version works with T-mobile? If not, where can I purchase a unlocked one?
     
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    To those who have owned an x240 for more than 6 months: How has it held up? Any cracks in the case? Does the fan get more or less annoying?
     
  37. anandoc

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    I have owned the X240 since February/March of this year. The fan stays the same as first day - gets whiny when the CPU gets pegged. The biggest annoyance is the 1080p IPS display. For the first couple of months there was no ghosting issue, but now the ghosting issue is very prominent. I have a 2 year next day onsite warranty and I need to call support to log this issue to see if they can do anything about it. But I haven't had the time to do so.

    Other than that, I quite like the laptop. I have the X230 at work (which is dead quiet even during heavy loads) and I have used the T530 and the Yoga 2 pro as well. The X240's form-factor is the best. I have never used the touch-screen so I wish Lenovo would offer the X240 with just a IPS 1080p display without touch (similar to the T440s).
     
  38. tmpfs

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    This sleep bug eventually seems to a problem of Lenovo BIOS firmware. Download their BIOS Update Bootable CD to boot up and fix the BIOS and it seems fine since then (I used to disable the SD card port which is listed as a cause of failure).

    But no, it will spontaneously resume with lid closed and drain the battery. I think this has something to do with the new Intel Smart Connect Technology thingy in the BIOS update. This thing basically makes it wake up from sleep to let the operating system check emails and do stuff and sleep again. Linux doesn't support it and disables it, and I disabled it in BIOS settings, but I guess new stuff can always find some ways to break the settings.

    Anyway, cold boot from pressing power button to desktop takes less than 8 seconds (POST <3s, kernel <5s), so I suppose I would not care too much about sleep. Surely I can find a way to make it sleep again when improperly waken up, but not now.

    The fan is getting less annoying. Really, maybe I was just obsessed about it and my perception was oversensitive. In fact the noise has not been attracting any of my attention since then. I can not notice it unless I mean to.

    The ghosting is real. Same as anandoc, it was good in the first few months, but recently it got bad. Bright area with large contrast will retain significantly after switching to dark (but not completely black) color. My current remedy for this is to make my wallpaper (a dark tile pattern) really close to black, and that will lessen the afterimage.

    The touch screen is useful occasionally, when I want to move windows around, or when doing presentation.
     
  39. Incontro

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    Seems quite bad - there is a thread on this on the Lenovo forums: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/X-Seri...ghosting-image-retention-on-X240/td-p/1680049

    It's a shame Lenovo didn't learn from the X230 ghosting issues. I just wonder roughly what percentage of units have this issue.
     
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    Hey all - just picked up my new x240. Some questions:

    What are normal temps I should be expecting? Simple web browsing idles around 60°C, but often goes up to 70°C. Note this is docked, and all the docks block the exhaust vents unfortunately.

    Anyone found a docking solution that doesn't block the vents? Or have other ideas on cooling? I feel like 60-70+°C is high for web browsing.
     
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    Is it possible to add a normal SSD and a M.2 SSD in the X240? The X240 is interesting beause of 2 batteries. Maybe Someone has this config running?
     
  43. Incontro

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    My web-browsing temps are between 40 - 50C. I don't know much about the dock unfortunately.

    Yes this is definitely possible, and I used to have this configuration. (Well I technically still do, but the M.2 SSD is actually dead, because the Toshiba M.2 SSD's that were shipped with this laptop are junk.)
     
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    Who here has bought the X240 to replace their X220, X230 ? I am coming from the X300 and I was wondering if i should wait for the X250 or just get this one and be done with it ? I have heard some horror stories from the enthusiasts, so i am contemplating if i should just wait and see if they fix the keyboard and trackpoint dedicated buttons.
     
  45. ZaZ

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    If your X300 is still cutting for a bit longer and you want the buttons, then it's probably worth the wait. I have not used any ThinkPad with the new integrated buttons, but I can't foresee liking it. If your definition of fixing the keyboard is going back to the seven row keyboard, I think that's fairly unlikely. I will say I've used the T430, X230 and X1C. I though the chiclet keyboard was good, but if you're shortcut key user, then there's probably no making you happy.
     
  46. Incontro

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    By the X240 if:

    (1) If you can overlook the flaws of the new track-pad and lack of the dedicated buttons. Some can, some can't.

    (2) You need a replacement now, and cannot/would rather not wait.
     
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    For anyone who wants to replace the FHD LCD for reducing image retention, ask for the whole touch panel FRU 00HN747 (which contains the FHD LCD module FRU 00HM745 of model LP125WF2 (SP)(B2)). They will still need a bezel of unknown FRU.

    FRU 00HN747 is assembled together with FRU 00HM745, and they need a bezel glued onto it. I have on-site tech coming four times before they figured out what is actually needed. They have changed the FRUs a lot and customer service is incapable of identifying the correct FRUs or comprehending why a touch panel FRU would contains another FRU.
     
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    For anyone who wants to replace the FHD LCD for reducing image retention, ask for the whole touch panel FRU 00HN747 (which contains the FHD LCD module FRU 00HM745 of model LP125WF2 (SP)(B2)). They will still need a bezel FRU which I don't know.

    FRU 00HN747 is assembled together with FRU 00HM745, and they need a bezel glued onto it. I have on-site tech coming four times before they figured out what is actually needed. They have changed the FRUs a lot and customer service is incapable of identifying the correct FRUs or comprehending why a touch panel FRU would contains another FRU.
     
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    Hey guys, just picked up a used X240 to replace my Sony Vaio Duo 11 as my travel machine. The laptop is immaculate, specs are i5-4300U 4GB RAM 128gig SSD, fingerprint reader. Sadly it doesn't have a backlit keyboard, I should be able to live with this!

    Early impressions are, I absolutely love the size of this thing. Perfect travel companion, a nice weight to it, feels solid yet not over the top. Quality appears to be good. Love the keyboard, typing on a X1C in store convinced me to come back to Thinkpad's. The touchpad is ok now that I have updated the drivers. Going to give it some more time, but not the biggest fan at the moment. The massive down movement required for a click is off-putting, and the sound is quite loud as well. The trackpoint works very well, but finding the buttons to click with is interesting...

    All up my biggest gripe would have to be the TN panel. Poor viewing angles, washed out blacks and unpleasant resolution about sums it up. TN panels on Thinkpad's should not happen, period. Other than that, I'm pretty happy so far. Going to pickup a larger 6 cell battery soon as well seeing as I'll be using this a lot whilst travelling.

    Any recommendations for sleeves as well?
     
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    Anyone updated to Windows 10 yet?
     
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