Y50 Thread

All this talk of the T410 made me curious what he's comparing it to....notebookcheck's opinion is decidedly, Blah.
Review Lenovo Thinkpad T410 2522-3FG Notebook - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

I can't help but think something else is going on here. Kind of a bummer really.

 

I believe it is just that, I have a multiscreen setup so I am constantly comparing it to the monitor in front of me I did use it stand alone and the color did not bug me as much and I was able to perform tasks efficiently. My other option is to just buy a second stand-alone monitor and close the lid of the Y50 and use the old "what you don't see won't hurt you" adage.

Honestly this has been one of the worst love/hate product situations of my life!

I said it in the earlier post it is like having a girlfriend with a great body (internals), good personality (windows) and a face that looks like it slammed into every branch of the ugly tree on the way down (screen).

Am I being outwardly picky, probably, as it is great having a girlfriend with nice features and a good personality but I still have to look her in the eyes every so often.

 

Sorry but you are wrong because your GPU temps on the gs60 sound like 860m temps and not like 870m's which the ghost pro has (90 degrees without flashing the bios). Also you have to consider that the gs60 has to cool the Kepler 860m while the y50 only has to cool the maxwell one. Also those temps are normal for the Maxwell 860m.

 

No it is just that the T410 is bleh on the screen, but the Y50 is worse imho

Here are a couple comparison shots Left - Y50 Middle - T410 and Right MbpR all running full brightness displaying this thread on Chrome.





P.S. Wow my foot is dirty, been working in the yard!

 

Does the Blu Ray drive look just like the Lenovo DvDRW Drive they include with the Lenovo on Newegg?

 

Possibly mine is cheap feeling and plastic with a red circular button

 

After playing around with the display settings for a little bit, I was able to get noticeably better colors.
My settings(Change in Intel properties>Display>Color)

Brightness-"-5"
Contrast-"50"
Gamma-"1.2"

Set to "Picture Mode" in Onekey Theater or Lenovo Settings

 

Is all the screen negativity towards the nontouch edition?

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No, I believe that screen is much better the one I have been referring to is the non-touch 1080p

 

Jesus that screen looks absolutely disgusting

 

Wow, that does look really bad...Especially when next to the other two.
Here are similar pics I just took of mine...for comparison.
It will obviously look more dim in a photo next to a monitor twice it's size (putting out twice the light) but mine doesn't look nearly as yellow as yours. Sheesh.

 

For those interested, my full review can be found here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/ide...b-wd-hybrid-hdd-intel-7260-a.html#post9691994

 

I'm sorry. Your screen makes me sad . I don't think mine is as bad as that. Maybe you got a lemon?

 

I ordered mine on Tuesday from Newegg. It's the one with 2x4GB RAM, the 1TB SSHD, the external drive (whether or not this is the same as the blu-ray one previously offered on Lenovo's site, I don't know), matte screen, and the 2GB card. I intend on removing the drive and putting it in an external enclosure. I'd then add a 512GB SSD to the laptop. The Crucial 512GB MX100 has been down to $200, so I'll get that when it goes back down the $20.

I plan on taking pictures with a Canon G15. I don't mind taking the back off of the laptop if you guys want a better image of the internals. Tell me what you guys want me to give you information on before I get it, and I can make time to do it. The only thing I won't do is take the motherboard or screen out of the laptop. Not that I can't (I work at a computer place, taking apart laptops to replace screen or power jack or whatever, removing viruses, etc), I just don't want to risk damage.

I once considered getting a colorimeter, especially considering I have the VG248QE and DP2710 monitors, but I didn't see it being very cost effective. But if things keep going the way they have, I just might have to get one.

So again, tell me what you want and I intend on getting to it on Tuesday. I probably won't have anything posted until Wednesday, but we'll see. It might be broken up into a few posts. I don't know.

 

I would feel better if it were, any chance you can post a picture of it displaying the forum?

 

WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO lenovo y50 4k !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-4th Generation Intel Core i7-4710HQ Processor (2.50GHz 1600MHz 6MB)

-15.6'' UHD LED Glossy (3840x2160)

-16gb ram

-GTX 860m 4gb (Maxy)

-512 gb SSD

Now I may be pretty stuiped but for only: $1,649.00
Is that pretty good? Is that another screw up? Or am I just late to the news? Either way, that is my perfect laptop.


Lenovo Y50 Laptop | 15.6" High-Performance Gaming Notebook PC | Lenovo (US)

 

I don't think my camera was in full focus for the outdoor one, but it's definitely sharp and usable.

 

This is the unit I have as well. The external drive is a rebranded LG GP60NB50.

 

you're that one guy that gets the joke like half an hour later lol .

4k came out a few days, but big question is if it is an IPS or PLS screen as opposed to TN like FHD models

 

Still a little yellow, but does look better than mine.

 

Actually I calibrated the screen to be less blue, so right now it's a warmer color. Can be set to be more "blue-ish white" if I wanted.

 

no freaking crap? why are you quoting the stuff from HALF A YEAR ago and how accomplished do you feel for doing that I just wonder? I hope people are a little more educated to know that quoting things from half a year ago is a pretty dumb way to show off their "smartness"

 

the only problem I see with the screen besides the tint of yellow, which is known to be a problem with the chimei display, is just the lack of brightness, which is to be expected for any matte screen.

you have no idea what you are talking about, just saying

 

really? didn't know that you perceive the images that I see through my eyes better than my own brain does

 

Hi klick online i wonder about two things
What are the advantages of paying with paypal?
You accept coupons?

im from Mexico

sorry for my english

 

Good lord :O is there a possibility that you got a defective screen there mate?

 

didn't know dim=disgusting before, just saying

 

Two things:

1) alaskajoel, thanks for the in depth review! One thing you mentioned particularly concerned me: the dropped keystrokes!! He mentioned that when he types there are at least three keys that miss letters. THE reason I had to return my defective ASUS N56JR and start looking into the Lenovo Y50 was because of an *unusable* dropped keystrokes issue that affected both my first N56JR and the replacement! I am a writer who will type 10-20 pages at once so this is a huge problem for me. Hearing that Lenovo had much better keyboards played a factor in switching, but this review made me VERY curious whether others have had this dropped keystrokes issue with the Y50??

2) Someone mentioned that a Lenovo rep told them the screen issue was being acknowledged by the company and that they were going to improve/change it as they manufacture more (or something to that effect - sorry if I've misunderstood this). This is making me wonder whether I should hold off before buying or whether a screen improvement will never happen. I am looking at the base model non-touch (the others are too pricey for me). If Lenovo itself considers the screens bad and in need of updating, that would be worth waiting a little bit for... is there a slightly better chance they'd be accurate if Klick asks this question because they're a vendor who needs to be in the know? I'm planning on purchasing from Klick once I have more info about the Y50 in general as reviews start to come in.

 

Just to go back in time a bit with respect to the 4k display, remember the two CES videos? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8eF2_uX44w this one from CNET and this one at 5 mins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsXx3b7aIrA

both of the y50s in those videos featured the 4k display and both of the speakers looked very impressed, the viewing angles seemed good too when they slightly tilted the displays. If Lenovo is shipping the 4k versions with the screens in those CES videos than we can be pretty optimistic that the 4k screens will be of a much higher quality, unless lenovo decided to downgrade. Recent IPS rumours seem to be solidifying too so there is good reason to be optimistic.

 

Amazon.de has listed the 4K configurations. IPS is all over the listings!

Most importantly the official, German Lenovo PDF Spec-Sheet confirms it!

So there you have it guys, this is the confirmation we were waiting.
4K Panels will be IPS (In-Plane-Switching)!

Enjoy!

 

Well Im feeling much better now that it seems all the signs point to 4k being IPS. I think I'm going to wait for all the models to be released though and compare which one is the best. Definitely getting the 4k version though, if only for the better screen. Although honestly, I'm kind of worried about the quality of the screen even if its IPS, with everything that's been shown...

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No, then you wouldn't be running at big resolution. But you might get scaling blur, even though in theory you shouldn't by cutting resolution neatly in half both ways. Can't seem to find a professional review of whether this actually works. Just lots of people on forums saying 'it should be fine.. In theory'

 

In games it will make less of a difference. With text however, it WILL be scaled blurry even if you reduce the resolution by exactly 1/2 in each direction (from 3840 x 2160 to 1920 x 1080.) It is very obvious if you take a high resolution notebook (such as the new 14" Razer Blade, or the Macbook Retina running Windows) and scale the resolution down to what we would expect to be a perfectly scaling resolution.

I can try to give a bit of an example.

The picture on the far left is a picture (taken with a macro lens to show pixel detail) of an image on a 1440 x 900 native display. The second (middle) picture is the same image, but taken from a retina macbook pro (2880 x 1800...exactly double in each dimension) but it is using OS X scaling to show it as it would on a 1440 x 900 display.

In a Macbook retina with proper scaling to make a 2880x1800 display look like a 1440x900 display, OS X uses nearest neighbor integer mapping by default to draw the extra pixels. This is a fancy way of saying that each element on the screen can be viewed as being drawn by either 1 pixel (native) or 4 (doubled in each dimension.) This is different than changing the resolution of the display as we would be trying to do in Windows, because Windows does not recognize the halved resolution as exact pixel doubling (and even if it did, it wouldn't know what to do with it at the moment because of inadequate driver support). The reason the Retina Macbook Pro works in OS X is because the OS knows 1440 x 900 is exactly half of the native and will use nearest neighbor by default...It actually tries to do a similar thing if you change to a non-native resolution other than 1440 x 900. If you select 1920 x 1200 for example, it will first render it at, say, 3840 x 2400 and then scale that super high resolution image down to fit on the retina display.

What happens in Windows, is the OS and Drivers try to scale as if the display is native to 1440 x 900, and a form of bilinear interpolation is performed with an ineffective level of anti-aliasing. Because different panels vary in the configuration and size of pixels and sub-pixels (for example, there are dominant green sub-pixels on the Macbook Retina), the failed scaling results in stretched horizontal edges compared to vertical edges on the Macbook retina. This could likely be remedied by Nvidia (and others) by offering a pixel doubling option in their drivers (similar to what OS X does) and allow nearest neighbor interpolation instead of relying on bilinear interpolation. The sad thing about this is if you run Windows inside a virtual machine (via parallels) on a retina Macbook pro, Windows looks exactly as it should being set to 1440 x 900. The reason is because the virtual machine drivers know how to interpret the halved resolution and default to 1:4 pixel doubling (every one pixel at 1440 x 900 becomes 4 pixels at 2880 x 1800)

Here is the example Image I am talking about. You can see how much more crisp the center octopus is compared to the one on the far right (which looks blurred, and slightly distorted). Whether or not you think it looks better compared to the native 1440 x 900 image is up for debate, but I could never use my Macbook retina on 1440 x 900 in windows...It looks awful to me, and I would prefer to use my old 2011 Macbook Pro which had a native 1440 x 900 display.

 

so can i replace the TN with IPS? is there any bad effect? the warranty doesn't really concern me

 

Can anyone with a Y50 comment on the placement of the intake fans? My old M14x had them placed on the underside, so I had to have it sit on a book while gaming, which was kind of annoying. Would I be able to have the Y50 sit flat on a desk without choking the fans?

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But will 4k reso gaming too much for a GTX 860m? Or you just have to basically play in 1080p window mode?

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yes 4k reso is too big for gaming with 860, way too big...

The benefit of 4k is really not the main focus of the 4k y50 version. It's its panel (ips).

As for 4k, only use if you are photo editing for sure atm, other than that not much use as there are no 4k movies out there and even if there were those files would be so huge that you couldnt be arsed to download and even if you do there will be like 1-3 movies by the end of this year max with that resolution so it's really just future-proofing

 

You could probably run non graphically intensive games on 4k like league of legends for example

Though I agree, if there was a 1080p screen for cheaper with ips I would get that. Problem is there isn't, so might as well get the 4k along with it

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It's sucks to be forced to buy a 4K screen just to have a good panel but better than nothing.

 

if the 4k indeed is IPS/PLS, then at that price, i think it is just on par with the price of other machines with same specs but only got a 1080p display.
you get the 4k, IPS, nice cooling of the CPU and GPU, Sleek and Slim at the same price of other inferior laptops.

 

After seeing the yoga 2 pro 4k screen... I can tell you 4k matters. I'm typing this on a 1080p tablet and I can see the pixels. I don't think 4k is just a gimmick, I'm just worried about old apps that won't scale well because I use some for my work...

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Since gfx cards nowadays are having good frame rates at 1080p, the gaming industry needs another reason for people to buy bigger cards that will eventually push 4k reso's

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Totally agree

 

The real question is, will you be able to fit this 4k ips screen in the base non touch model?

 

good point, 4k screen might still look better even on 1080 resolution due to 4 pixels instead of 1 so u cant see the pixels anymore

thing to consider is the fact that this might cause the screen to drain more battery from the laptop as it needs to light up 4 separate pixels instead of 1 big pixel. We're talking slight battery capacity decrease like 30 mins :-/ or so i've heard. With a 54 whr battery i don't think one can afford to lower the capacity even more. Some people said they only got like 2 hours of movie watching on a base model at half brightness or something, that sucks tbh. Makes the laptop practically useless for watching movies on battery

 

My 4K model is shipping the 26th of June. Seems like forever from now.

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Cool, can't wait to see some reviews :O

anybody in here familiar with ips panels and their versions? Some ips panels aren't as good and have white glow and even bad viewing angles etc. Does anybody know the model names of the "good" ones?

 

I've never heard any model differences. Even Samsung had PLS panels that were prone to glow. The only way to find out is when someone tests it. I'll probably do a full review on the screen when I get it. I'll also be able to calibrate it and tell everyone what the color capacity of the panel is. I'm not keen on the 4k panel though. Like someone suggested a few posts above, some apps WILL have scaling issues and it's really annoying. Origin, for example, has a super tiny interface. Since the pixel density is tighter than the Razer Blade, it's going to be even worse than what I experienced before. Hopefully the software devs get all this worked out soon so it's not as bad.

 

I have a question.
As we all know that provided the hardware this laptop has, it won't be possible to play recent AAA games on 4K resolution. So my question is, does 1080p gaming on a 1080p screen and 1080p gaming on a 4K screen look the same? If there are differences, are they noticeable?
Because a 4K screen seems like a good option for consuming media and reading text also considering that its supposed to have a better panel, but gaming (which I'm mostly buying this laptop for) will only be possible at 1080p.

 

that's only if you actually use 4k resolution for the desktop but if you use 1080p you don't have any issues, right?

only bummer is switching the desktop resolution every time you want to watch a 4k movie of course