Y50 Thread

Could the release date being "pushed back" be due to the switch to Haswell refresh SKUs instead?

Regarding the outputs I personally prefer mini-DP. It's technically the most capable as well as most flexible (can use a rather cheap adapter for HDMI, DVI or VGA out).

 

Exactly why I went for the Y510p a couple days ago.

 

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That's questionable, considering that they currently market their SLI configuration as "dual graphics."

 

What's wrong with SLI? The SLI Y510p is more powerful than the Y50 will ever be, unless it has a GTX 880M (no way in hell). As long as you stay on top of driver updates, it works perfectly. And the odds of microstuttering aren't as big as they used to be.

 

Nothing is questionable when they say ALL the models.... especially when not even one of them was presented as having sli @ ces.

The rep was clearly reffering to switchable graphics and just used the wrong wording.

 

Personally, I don't like SLI, and a number of the games I play don't support it. Also, I still see micro stuttering, which makes me sad. So currently I have a DVD drive in my borrowed y510p, as I just hate SLI.

 

First of all we weren't talking about the model at CES. We were talking about the new information that Lenovo UK told the guy who inquired about the Y50 vs Y510p.

Secondly, right now ALL the models of the Y510p offer SLI. They sell the switchable graphics card themselves now.

Third, I don't know why the rep would be "clearly" referring to switchable graphics when nothing is really known about the Y50 yet. Do you honestly think that they tell those sales rep people the exact specifications of a laptop that isn't due to be released for months? They can't even tell me whether a current Y series model comes with a glossy or a matte screen.

There is absolutely no reason why they couldn't have SLI on a .91" laptop. There are other companies that pull stuff like this off. Look at the Aorus X7. It's even thinner.

At this point, I don't think that we can know for sure that the CES models are the final production models. As for the person above somewhere who was talking about a DVD drive on the spec sheet but not on the models shown, it could definitely happen. Look at the Macbook Pro, they pull it off. My point is that what the UK sales rep said could be true about dual graphics. And when Lenovo refers to dual graphics, they don't refer to a combination integrated and discreet. Typically they mean discreet x 2.

 

So basically what you are saying is that you are ignoring all the information that we have regarding this product until now(saying that it will have a single gtx860m) based on what one user said that he found out from one rep )

Ok...I'm not going to argue with you.

 

Hi guys

I got this information in a Chinese forum. It says Y50 will have maxwell GTX860 in standard version.No touch screen in Chinese version. And in China, they will start to sell them on May 15th.

 

Sweeeeeeeeet.

 

What does it mean for "standard version"? Wich one between kepler and maxwell is standard version?

 

@mr satan I believe the normal version is the non SMX version, so that would make it maxwell. Also, the Kepler provides too much heat to be practical for this laptop.

 

In China, Lenovo loves to sell different nerfed version of laptops to keep the price low. They are worried about if there are GTX860M in all Y50 models. Then the rep confirms that all models of Y50 have GTX860M. And the rep further said that it will be maxwell.

 

Does it says anything about the price? and are there any info on the y40?

 

No, nothing about the price. But the rep said the launch price in China will be high, but will be followed by deals.
In the later post, they suspected about 9000 Yuan ($1200) at first. And the Chinese price is much higher than the price in America because of tax.

 

If you check on notebook check, 860m is roughly the same as or slightly above 755 sli. A single xard is more convenient and lasts longer than sli configuration

 

We usually get new releases earlier than mainland because Lenovo concentrates more on international market though. So does that mean it will be early may for us?

 

What do you mean by us? Like anywhere other than China kind of us?

 

I guess so. But definitely, it is coming soon.

 

I just talked to a sales rep in the website. He mentioned a release date of first week of May. However when I pushed him, he told me to check back next week for a more accurate date. I think they are making up stuff to make sure the customers don't go with competitor's products.

 

No point taking to support anymore, all we can do now is wait. I have a friend in the Philippines who has a brother that works for a Lenovo call center and they have this calendar for news and stuff. They had the z40/z50 marked on March 14th and y40/y50 marked on May 1st but it got removed about 3 weeks ago. I can't get much information about it though because they're outsourced.

 

is the y50 going to be worth the wait? or should i get something else?

 

I hope y40/50 will not come out like z40/50...one in May and one in August....

Lenovo Reveals AIO PC With Motion Control, New Laptops

 

I was just thinking how cool it'd be if Lenovo kept the same chassis/design but upgraded to refreshed Haswell i7 and Maxwell GTX 850M GDDR5 SLI. Same power envelope as current SLI model but better performance plus cooler and more overclockable GPU. 765M SLI/780M performance at stock and 880M or greater performance when overclocked. Hell, I'd sell my Y500 for it if that were the case.

 

who knows...

 

that would be the y510p refresh. I doubt it would happen though.

 

....................... Where is us?

 

Sorry, I was looking at SLI 755M vs 770M/780M. That's pretty good for the 860M though.

 

US=USA, is there anything questionable about that?

 

Exactly. I'd much prefer that to the Y50. Single 860M is a GPU sidegrade and a 15.6" screen is simply too small in dimensions to benefit from 4K. 860M is way too underpowered to game at 4K native and games aren't like Windows or other software and won't scale down to 1080p without blurriness unless you want things to get blown up 4x as big (compare Infinity Blade 1 on iPad 2 vs. Retina iPad for instance). I think the PPI of 1080p is fine on a 15.6". What I want is more screen real estate for productivity and content work without everything becoming microscopic at 100% DPI scaling requiring 20/10 vision to actually read. Plus while Windows scaling is generally fine especially on W8.x, the same can't be said of third-party applications most of which are not high PPI aware and turn into awful blurry messes at 4K.

 

The capitalization makes all the difference. US is an acronym for the United States, us is a word meaning "we."

 

Seemed like a pronoun without the caps

 

Well when you are on mobile capitalization can be an issue, but as long as you Get the point it should be fine

 

Well I was as confused as anyone...

Typed this on my iPad BTW.

 

So much lack of information on the Y50 that we're starting to discuss capitalizations and stuff.

 

I'm sorry man, but we is desperate...

 

What we know for sure:
1.It's red and black
2.It will have a keyboard, screen, and a mousepad
What we don't know:
1.Everything that matters

 

Well said. Exactly why 4K doesn't work for me.

 

Theoretically the 860M is a sidegrade...but considering the severe overheating issues of the SLI array on the y510 the gtx860m should be a much better option.

 

You forgot to mention that it's a laptop not a desktop

 

Here we go again...

The Y510p overheats, yes. The GTX 860M will overheat more. Here's why.
First, the Y50 is .91 inches thin. I don't care what kind of GTX card you have in it, it will overheat...
Secondly, with the form factor of the laptop being smaller, the vents are smaller.
Third, they will likely follow the competition and use one cooling compound for both the GPU and CPU. Basically, if the end up going with the 4702HQ instead of keeping the 4700MQ, then both the processor and the dGPU will get really hot and overload the cooling system in 30 mins gaming.
Fourth, the overheating issues on the SLI Y510p can be somewhat controlled by reapplying new thermal paste to the INSIDE of the laptop. Care to tell me how you expect to get in this thing? It will be like trying to get inside an Ultrabook.
Fifth, have you noticed the new integrated subwoofer on the bottom of the laptop? It limits air intake from the bottom. Not really sure how much this could affect it, but considering that you have power flow right to the air intake, that isn't really a good combination.

Personally, I would consider the 860M a downgrade, especially if you don't do heavy gaming. And as they are marketing the Y50 really as a multimedia laptop more than anything, that is a sure sign that it won't be able to handle games as well as the Y510p can.

 

You really shouldn't be talking when you have no idea what you are talking about.

The TDP of the gtx860m is ONLY 45W(a single 750m has a 50W TDP) while it's performance is @ gtx770m standards. That's what makes it better than SLI 750M and about the same as SLI 755M in terms of raw gaming power while developing MUCH LESS heat and ridding us of that horrible microstuttering inherent in all SLI configurations.

The low TDP makes this card develop LESS heat than a single gt750m
Check the numbers on notebookcheck before you post your own opinionated nonsense.


To add to that the subwoofer is not impeding the suction vent at all...the air is going to the back of the laptop and exiting through a vent behind the hinge wich spans 2/3 of the width of the laptop.

Ultrabook?...At 2.4 cm thickness....you must be joking...the Asus N550 has 2.7 cm and a gt750m with a similar TDP and has no problem with overheating whatsoever.

All your arguments are invalid to say the least.

 

I mean, if the GS60 can run off with the kepler 860M without overheating, I don't see any problem with Y50...

 

It's clear the guy iss just voicing his personal opinions without any actual numbers to back them up.

While that may be normal on forums, it's a shame that some people will read it and maybe think that he actually bases it on hard numbers.

 

And you wonder why we have a problem with you on every other page.

First of all, the Asus N550 has a GT 750M. The Y510p has SLI GT 755M. Obviously it makes less heat. Also the Asus N550 isn't even an Ultrabook, if that's what you are getting at. Your argument is invalid.

Yes Ultrabook. Any laptop that is .9 inches or thinner, has core processors, has an SSD, and is touchscreen is considered an Ultrabook. Yes, they are incredibly hard to get into and mess with the internals. If you read what I said, it referred to getting into the machine. Your argument is invalid.

My biggest point here. Obviously the GTX 860M CARD makes less heat than the SLI GT 755M. It wasn't the CARD ITSELF that I was talking about, I was talking about the card application inside the laptop form factor. Your argument is invalid.

The subwoofer doesn't IMPEDE the suction vent. Because of the the subwoofer, the size of the suction vent is limited. My points about the intake vent are valid. Your argument is invalid.

Horrble microstuttering? Ha, and you call what I say opinionated nonsense? You have obviously never used a Y510p SLI. Stay on top of driver updates and you have no problems. When you run into problems is when you fall below 30fps. That won't happen often in the Y510p. Your argument is invalid.

As for your exhaust vents, look at pictures of the Y50. The vents are a solid half the height of those of the Y510p. And a vent that runs 2/3 of the way along the back of the laptop doesn't matter if air only runs through 3 inches of the length of the vent. Your argument is invalid.

So all of us can't state our opinions, which actually do contain facts, whether you believe it or not? Meanwhile, you make it seem like you are always right by never actually contradicting what we say but instead saying useless crap that barely pertains to the subjects at hand? Ignorant.

Look at their page. MSI Global GS60 2PE Ghost Pro

3 reasons why it won't overheat and the Y50 will

1. Large side AND back vents, as well as enlarged intakes
2. Dual fan system
3. Separate cooling for CPU and dGPU

All 3 of these things showcase MSI's good quality builds. Lenovo doesn't build products like this. Not ideapads.

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Also, the Y50 will have a spinning hard drive standard (at least rumors point to this). MSI GS60 uses SSDs standard.

 

@H01D3N What about the Gigabyte P34g v2? They use the same card, more powerful internals, and in a thinner and smaller chassis, and still have a laptop that doesn't overheat, even with the crap stock thermal paste used. I believe your original argument of it having to overheat is invalid.

 

A look at the description shows why my argument may still be valid.
GIGABYTE - Notebook & Netbook - Notebook & Netbook - P series - P34G v2

As with the MSI GS60, this Gigabyte laptop uses a dual fan design that can actually spin at full capacity, unlike the Y510p fans and likely the Y50 fans which spun much lower than capacity (I checked this). Also, the exhaust vents are spaced right behind the fans, which I am not totally sure about but I suspect may help for ventilation. It is interesting that it uses a standard HDD. I could be wrong, but I'm just not sure about whether or not the Y50 will have this high quality build. Thanks for actually presenting a valid counterargument.

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Scratch that for the HDD. Most models are sold with SSD (runs cooler).

 

@H01D3N You say you checked it, where? And thank you for acknowledging the valid point.

On a different note, why don't you think the build quality will be as good? The first Gigabyte P34g was notorious for its horrible keyboard and great amount of flex, and the Lenovo Y series has been praised for its good build quality, especially for the price they go at on sale.

 

You have many inaccuracies here.

First, the Maxwell 860M has a lower TDP than a single 750M. Second, the 4702 has a 10W lower TDP than the 4700.

It's definitely possible for a 4702 and Maxwell 860M to be designed into a 15.6" laptop with no problem.

Gigabyte seems to have done it in a smaller chassis with the P34G v2 using the 4700 no less..

Edit: actually I meant the 755M, but it seems the 860M may be slightly more power draw, but nothing that should not be possible in a 15" unit