Y50 Thread

Actually, by SSHD, they mean they use msata along with the HDD. So you can see a separate SSD. At least, I did.

 

Well initially Lenovo did say the gtx gpu is optional, which would be really stupid if it actually is, but as of now hopefully it's standard. As for the sshd, does that mean it's just better off getting an ssd since the cache doesn't boost as much as a normal ssd?

 

The only reason why you would see the ssd cache would be that you deactivated "Caching" option in bios. That means you are not using it as a cache at all. Only as a minuscule standalone SSD.

A cache is not something special...just a very small SSD. To be used as a cache you need to tell the laptop you want it to use it as such by activating the option in BIOS.

The reason a cache SHOULD not be used as a standalone ssd boot drive is that it is too small to be usefull. If you replace it with a ssd of 64gb and up then it's perfectly viable to disable caching and use it for a boot drive.

P.s. the cache is actually M2.NGFF format in the y510p not Msata.

A full SSD would boost the speed of everything you put on it. Including games and other software.

A ssd cache only boosts windows speed(faster boot up, faster resume from standby etc.) but even this will not be as fast as if you would have installed the whole windows on a SSD.

A cache offers a good boost of speed for very litlle extra cost. A ssd however is much preffered if you can afford it.

My brother has replaced his cache in the y510p with a 128gb ssd that he is using for games software and windows while keeping the HDD for storing movies music photos etc. Imo this is the best option if you take cost effectiveness into consideration while getting all your software to run at maximum speed.

 

By SSHD they mean Solid State Hybrid Drive. It has a solid state cache that is used automatically to increase throughout for often accessed data. It's invisible to the end user. This cache is usually contained on the PCB of the platter style HDD.

There's also another type of caching SSD that can be standalone and uses drivers to do the same work with a separate platter drive. My Sammy uses that type but I uninstalled the drivers for it as it was much slower than the SSD I replaced the HDD with.

 

if the z40 would have a gtx 850m or even an 860m, would you be willing to get that instead?

 

I don't know how you can, but mine is just SSHD hybrid drive (8 GB).

Also, I have heard that you can do a Windows 7 install on the 24 GB version of the SSHD, but it isn't recommended. If you did it, you couldn't use it for caching of frequent programs, and I don't think that it would leave much space on the SSHD anyway.

Think of it this way: unless you want some sort of really fast OS, then do it; however, all your programs will go on the hard drive anyway. Just leave it as is.

 

According to multiple articles, the Z series will have AMD Radeon R7 cards built in.
Check this one for example: Lenovo Reveals B40, G50, Z40, Z50 and Flex 2 Laptops, All Under $1,000 | Digital Trends

If you want a new thin-and-light for multimedia / (very) light gaming, get a new Flex 2 with AMD Radeon R5 M230 cards, and unidentified Nvidia GeForce offerings.

If you want a multimedia that also can do very light gaming, get a B50 with a Nvidia GeForce 820M.

The article above also mentions a new G50.

I don't think that the Z40 will even go as high as the 850M, assuming that it uses Nvidia cards anyway. The nice part about the Z40/Z50 is that it has physical, clickable separate touchpad buttons.

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http://www.zdnet.com/lenovo-rolls-o...aptops-a540-all-in-one-desktop-pc-7000028525/

 

That's too bad. I guess that the amd chips are whats making them cheap.

 

According to the lenovo announcement papers, the z40 goes as high as a gt840m. http://news.lenovo.com/images/20034/Y, Z, C-Series and LBG Monitors Spec Sheets.pdf What I want to know is then, how good are the radeon chips. I know they are rebrands, so if someone could help me to identify what the r9 m270 is a rebrand of, I would be quite grateful.

 

The Lenovo announcement papers have been wrong on almost every single count so far, so I would trust the recent articles more than the 4-month-old papers.

As for the R9 m270, I have heard that it is a rebrand of the Radeon HD 8790M. You will get similar power to a GT 750M or a GTX 660M.
AMD Radeon HD 8790M - NotebookCheck.net Tech

 

More like an 8870m, but meh... not much difference at all. And it doesnt really bother me that much that it's not that good. I mean, extra power would be great and all, but you get what you pay for, and in this case you get even more, assuming it's less that a grand usd.

 

anyone got suggestions for a light to medium gaming with touch screen and buttons under trackpad notebook?

 

The Lenovo Z40 or Z50. They aren't out yet but probably will be soon. They have the buttons under the trackpad, and they will work fine for light gaming.

 

You could just go for a touch screen with Intel HD 5000 laptops if you're just gonna do light gaming. I don't know if there's any real gaming laptops out there with touch. That's what makes the y50 attractive.

Also, have you tried a touchpad without the buttons? At first I didnt like the idea of it too, but when I did get to use one, it wasnt that bad at all. I suggest you try one out first on your local fry's or bestbuy.

 

Is it touch screen though? I don't think so.

 

Ah sorry, I didn't notice he wanted touch. It might be ideal for his needs though (buttons, dGPU).

 

z40 got the regular trackpad i had that kind and hated it,i meant that the buttons are under it like in the macbook or y410.
well touch screen isnt a must but its awesome to have it.
mostly looking for a 14 inch notebook.

 

Oh, I know what you mean. Actually, I think that that's just called a touchpad, not like a button trackpad. Most laptops have that kind that you want.

 

Interesting, the Q&A design on the US y50 page has changed: Lenovo Y50 Laptop | 15.6" High-Performance Gaming Notebook PC | Lenovo (US). Also, here are probably the best answers provided by staff members yet, supposedly assuring we are near release:

Has the Y50 release date been pushed back? It was supposed to be released at the end of this month (April) or early next (May) but now I'm seeing "within the next few months."
Potential Buyer on Apr 21, 2014

Best Answer: Hello Mat,

The date has not been pushed back. We cannot give out a specific date but it will be released very soon.
Reply · Product expertStaff on Apr 21, 2014


Is it really going to be a few months until this comes out? Will pricing and specs be available before then?
Taylor R on Apr 21, 2014

Best Answer: Hello Taylor,

This model will be available very soon. The specs will be posted before the release date but the pricing will not be available until this model is released.
Reply · Product expertStaff on Apr 22, 2014

 

Does the Y50 product page look a little different to anyone else? Were all these pictures there before?

Lenovo Y50 Laptop | 15.6" High-Performance Gaming Notebook PC | Lenovo (US)

 

The pictures were added just 2 days ago.

 

No as we discussed before they added new pics of front and rear

 

Can we confirm it's coming in the beginning of May? I'm planning to sell my Y500 before it releases.

 

well we have been getting uniformed response from lenovo reps, but there's no 100% guarantee

 

Don't you want to see the reviews first?

 

Reviews are for the WEAK!

 

EXACTLY! who needs reviews when hou just buy the laptop~~

 

I would probably order one myself right away when it launches but it wont stop me from watching or reading reviews so I could start complaining about the touchpad or something even before it arrives.

 

Personally I won't touch ANY laptop with a 10 foot pole until I've read a good review from a reputable website like notebookcheck.

But hey...that's just me

If I've managed to wait for it since january then I can manage one month more just to make sure I don't spend 1 grand on a dud.

 

with so much anticipation for a laptop like this, they'd probably run out of stock by the first month...

 

Yeah, I really want to wait until a review or two, especially from the forum but I have to ask, does anyone know the return policy with Lenovo.com? Is there any restocking fee or shipping charge?

 

Idk about fees, but Im pretty sure they had an ad somewhere where it says 'return items, no questions asked'.

 

That may be the policy in the US...in other countries (like mine) though it's a much more difficult process

 

You have 14 days to return the laptop w/o restocking fee. If you get a faulty item, you can always return it w/o restocking fee. I did that with one of my Y2P. But you have to call in tech. support first to get a case number in order to claim it's a faulty item. The whole process is pretty painless, at least for me. (I'm in US).

 

I always look at the reviews too, but I don't always trust them (I love the Y510p trackpad). Thankfully I live 10 minutes from a Micro Center store so I just see stuff in person.

 

The Y50 looks amazing, almost too good to be true.

I'm using the Y400 and greatly regret the low res screen 1366x768...

Believe it or not, I need it to vent hot air out the back, and not to the side onto the person next to me.

Laptops, game "anywhere"...

 

does anyone think y50 will come with ips or tn panel?

 

4k is definetly IPS.
No news for 1080p version though.

 

Hi,
Just saw a 4k screen on the smaller Lenovo Yoga 2 pro in a store (13.3 inches). The screen was gorgeous but not properly configured and tiny tiny (did I say TINY) elements on the screen reminded me that High dpi is still an issue with windows...or is it?
I've heard windows 8.1 update 1 was an improvement (custom scaling) but are there still known issues?
I've heard that office works flawlessly, thank God... but I'm not so sure about Adobe's creative suite or... chrome, my default browser.
As for gaming, I guess we'll be playing in 1600x900 so that shouldn't be an issue, right?
So many questions...and the Y50 is the only laptop that ticks all the right boxes for me so far.

 

Office works flawlessly and so does windows 8.1 with 200% scaling.

Adobe is horrible. So are some other 3rd party software.

I have no idea about chrome but since it's already configured for high dpi on tablets and smartphones I'll wager it's already adapted for laptops asswell.

For proper scaling gaming on 4k (UHD) should be done in either 1080p(FullHD) or 720p .(HD)

1600x900(HD+) is appropriate for 3200x1800(QHD) screens

 

That is one sleek looking laptop. It looks like they put a little more thought into it than the Razer and MSI who cram an 870m in an even thinner chassis, by using an 860m it should run reasonably cool and still have great performance.

 

My thoughts exactly. I'm all in for it's specs, I have an old HP ProBook 5220m and obviously, this would be a huge upgrade from it. And another reason why I'm considering this is the design. Very sleek and stylish. I really like how they make a good use of the red and black colors. But before I jump into the wagon, I'd have to know of it's price first. If it doesn't cost too much, I'd be glad to spend my money on it. Else, I'll find another alternative, the Y40, perhaps? Or the older Y510p.

What do you people think the price would be? I heard the base price would around 999 USD. I'm guessing that is without the GPU. I'd love to get my hands on this.

 

With the risk of repeating myself...here I go again:
When they market it as a "high performance gaming notebook"in their own online shop the chance that they will have a version without a dGPU is really slim to none.

My guess is that base version will be dGPU + fullHD non-touchscreen. Worst case scenario it will be a weaker dGPU like the 850m but not weaker than that since then it would rival the z50 multimesia line.

Finally...someone that sees things my way )

 

I agree which indicates a 999$ price point would have to drop the screen, which seems likely they will have 1080p screen version and the 4k screen will only be available at a higher price. I'm hoping for 1500 or less but that may be wishful thinking.

 

Do you guys think it is necessary to get the 4k display?

 

Necessary? Not remotely.

I actually don't see much reason to upgrade to 4K in laptops for 99% of the population, other than "want".

"Future proofing" is silly, as the by the time you "need" 4K, you're far more likely to truly need an upgraded laptop anyway.

 

I agree with the above poster for the most part.

It depends alot on how long you plan to use the laptop though.

Personally I'm aiming for 4-5 years and I watch alot of movies on my laptop as I'm away from home 6-7 months every year.

That means that for me 4k is prefferable as movies will be the first content to cater to 4k screens.

However I have no illusions about gaming in 4K.

For now 4k screens on laptops are only good for pretty pictures and media content.

So it's basically up to you. Imo if you plan to change your laptop in 1-2 years don't bother with 4k yet

 

how are you certain on that...I mean even samsung used a tn panel for its newest 4k monitor, so chances are lenovo may do that too to water down the price

 

I was thinking the exact same thing but after seeing Y50's back vents I'm actually a little worried for heating. If those are the only vents, then I can see some problems here, but hopefully they aren't...

 

The videos from ces show the panel having 170º angle of visibility.

TN has severe color distortions outside a 30-60º angle so the panel on the CES machine was definetly IPS.