Y50 Thread

It might not be a desktop replacement, but its definitely not made for portability either.

Oh and the new 880M has comparable performance to the desktop GTX770 so I would say laptops are getting pretty close to beating your computer

 

asus rog series (not that bs g550 one) is known for its great cooling. if you want a cooler machine, definitely stick with g750jm. HOWEVER, it is MUCH heavier and thicker. if you don't mind the difference in screen sizes (both use TN panel also), both are good options.

asus also has a thunderbolt port which you probably will never use but I'm just saying it's pretty expensive to implement.
Asus pros
significantly better cooling
larger battery size (though it may offer less time because the laptop's larger)
integrated optical drive
SSD slots and 4 ram slots - more upgradability
thunderbolt ports

cons
heavy and thick
more expensive
some features that you may never need but adds up the cost

y50 pros
thin and lighter
better aesthetics (arguably)
backlit keyboard
better custom service
SSHD (this one is very debatable, indeed you get better performances but it also consumes more power)
DDR3L ram (lower voltage, costs more on the market, more efficiency)
much cheaper
gets options for Haswell refresh

cons
no SSD slots, less upgradability
CPU cooling for i7 is very much of a concern after seeing the temps for i5
wireless card is reported for having connection issues

if you are fine with the thickness and the weight and don't mind a 17.3" screen, g750jm is definitely the way to go with its superior cooling and potentials for upgrades. y50 is cheaper and lighter and thinner, but it depends on what do you want to do with your laptop

 

So much to think about. I'm scared to regret my decision lol. You'd think I'm choosing between a potentially life saving surgery with a 50% chance of death. Dark humor aside, I really do appreciate the advice and help on this.

 

Doesn't the Y50 have a dual fan cooling system (one for GPU and one for CPU), which would let it handle the cooling?

 

yes and no
1. there's only one heat pipe connected to the cpu
2. the two fans are placed together so in reality it works more like one large fan altogether. the fan closer to the cpu will have more load than the other.
3. the reviews for the i5 model show that the CPU can go up to 86C already, and that's only an i5. you know how much hotter an i7 runs

 

Wait, theres an i5 model? And professional reviews?
Not to be disrespectful but are you sure you're looking at the right laptop

 

yes in china there's an i5 model with i5-4200h. I have posted reviews on it and you can dig a couple tens of pages back to see how it performs

 

I thought he was trolling! LoL

 

Oh. Well now I've made a fool out of myself

 

on a side note, comparing any laptop's cooling with asus's RoG series, which does not include that new bs g550jk, is just stupid unless you are digging out workstations. asus is just known for better cooling like lenovo is for price

 

Guys, if the 4GB card turns out to be Kepler, a lot of people are going to be very, very upset. I doubt even Lenovo is dumb enough to get into THAT sort of trouble...

From what I've read on the issue, the Maxwell GTX860 variant is much slimmer than the 4GB Kepler variant. The latter is MXM, which means it's significantly bulkier, harder to fit into laptops, and can't really be soldered (while it's been confirmed that the Y50 has a soldered chip).
The following link is comparing 2GB Maxwell to 4GB Kepler but the point remains that 4GB Kepler is a pretty bulky chip that would likely need a different chassis than the Y50's to comfortably fit:
Review Nvidia GeForce GTX 860M Maxwell vs. Kepler - NotebookCheck.net Reviews
Adding on the fact that Lenovo specifically changed their website to say 4GB (Maxwell) and that not a single rep has mentioned the possibility of Kepler (interesting because on almost every other issue the reps seem to give conflicting info), it seems extremely likely that the 4GB chip is also a Maxwell.

On the other hand, another point mentioned in the article is that the 2GB 860 Maxwell is not significantly less power-hungry than the 4GB 860 Kepler. The temperatures are likely close as well. So even in the absolute worst-case scenario of the 4GB 760 being a Kepler, it shouldn't really have a HUGE impact on performance or heat or power consumption. I would be pretty annoyed but I doubt I'd bother returning my laptop because of that...I think the SSD model (with 4GB GTX860) was still the right option for me because I want to keep the warranty and also really want the SSD. I've never had one before and doubt I would bother adding it in myself anyways if it didn't come with the computer. So for me the only choice is the 4GB card, Maxwell or not.

 

So one of the places where Lenovo has cut corners is cooling :|

I agree that it would really people off if they had the Kepler version, but Lenovo is know for doing that. Remember the problems with last year's y510p WiFi card?!

Still, I have my fingers crossed.

 

Just wanted to take a minute and answer a few questions that people have posted - first and foremost I only check out the thread every now and then, so it's best if anyone has any questions to email me direct at [email protected] .. I have a mailing list set up to keep everyone informed of our Y40/Y50 arrivals/info, and can always answer questions directly ... but a few answers to folks' questions:

1. Lenovo warranty is one year - we are a Lenovo Partner - ie an official reseller.
2. Our Y50 59416755 and Y40 59421773 units are on their way to us now - meaning they have officially arrived in the US and cleared customs, and are now on a truck heading to us from NY. The Y40's should be here Tuesday, and the Y50's by Thursday. The Amazon shipping/delivery timeframe is a lot larger than we expect - we build in some extra shipping time "just in case" - but if we receive the systems on schedule, the orders will ship out the next day. We have absolutely no ETA at this point on any other models - email me at the above email address to go on the mailing list to be informed of ETA's as they come in for other models. We will not be carrying the Y50 4710HQ models at this time - only the 4700's.
3. We have absolutely no further information on specs than is available to the public - I wish we did, but honestly Lenovo is not that great at communicating - even their own sales reps have wrong info (ie they are still telling everyone that all Y40's have backlit keyboards). When we receive the shipments, we'll be opening up one of each type of unit we receive to look and match up the specs.
4. We do ship international through Ebay - but there is both shipping charges and customs charges that are paid upfront. Sometimes, even with those charges, the systems are still cheaper than what you can buy in particular countries. We do a lot of international Lenovo sales this way.
5. We only charge sales tax for those in Maryland - usually people that live in Maryland know someone from VA/DC/DE/PA/WV - have the computer shipped to them to avoid sales tax.

Again, any other questions - it's best to email me directly. Thanks!

Brian

 

the maxwell model they are using has two hard drives and a bunch of other differences. you can never compare the power consumption of two gpus if you aren't using the same laptop. unless you are using two of the same models, the test is never going to tell you anything accurate

 

Ehhh, on the cheapo i5 model. I work on Lenovo machines in my Student IT position and they have a history using varied heatsinks even on the same model with the same FRU number. I have seen single heatpipe heatsinks have the same FRU as that of a dual heatpipe heatsink. My guess is that there is a different heatsink that is going in the final production models that gives better CPU temps and that the i5 model was used to work out preliminary kinks as I don't believe any temps have been posted for an i7 model of the 4700HQ or the 4710HQ variety. I will post some temp results as soon as I get a chance Tuesday night, and will post pics of whatever the production heatsink ends up being.

 

3160ac is still crap. wireless card for y50 is still a problem and people have been reporting connection issues. it's not like they stopped being cheap, it's just in minor places that you wouldn't care as much

in fact it's likely they will have different heat pipe sizes for different CPUs. the y50 is designed and manufactured via Compal electronics which I believe also designs crap for alienware. they are also known for using different heatsinks for different specs



if you look at the red box on the right, where the cpu is, the heat pipe on the top is only about 3cm away from the cpu and can be easily connected to it by a small extension. there is even a dedicated slot for the heat pipe that is not used on the i5 model

chances are they are going to tweak around with the heatsink on the i7 models, but how effective it will be is yet to be determined

 

It's good to see that the discussion here is largely under control again after some heated posts a few pages back. Thanks to all who contribute to keeping it this way.

In forums, as everywhere in life, just don't take bait. Ever. It'll hook you and cause pain in the end.

Sorry for the interruption. Now please carry on.

 

Timothyz, how long between you getting the email from Lenovo with a UPS tracking number and the time that UPS actually updated the information further than saying they've created a shipping label? AKA actual delivery date established by UPS.

I received my email with the tracking info from Lenovo on Friday around noon EST and UPS still hasn't updated me with tracking info past a label being created.

I'm guessing this is due to the weekend plus possibly memorial day.

If this is the case I'm guessing I won't get any further update until Tuesday. =(

I wonder if my laptop has even arrived in the USA yet.

Anyone know if UPS can create a shipping label before the laptop even leaves China and arrives in the US or do they only create the shipping label once it has arrives in the US and cleared customs?

 

I have just one - the fan noise in idle, low load (browsing, office tasks and video) and high load (gaming) .

 

silent, audible, loud.

I'd imagine =)

 

They create the shipping label whilist still in China, here is a snippet of my tracking data


It looks like it takes about two business days once traking has been posted to hit real updates.

Unfortunately, I doubt it has left china yet. Though, with the time it takes once it hits stateside, you might get it as soon as Friday.

 

Yea I don't think it's looking good for a delivery date earlier than 6/2 if it hasn't left China yet.

If anything it seems that it might even be delayed.

Anyway, thanks a lot for the info.

 

We need our Y50s NOW!!!

 

We need professional Y50 reviews SOONER THAN NOW

 

A month ago would've been nice!

 

Better late than never!

 

Not if it's later than me receiving mine and drawing my own conclusions, which at this point it might as well be.

 

Guys I think I know what the orange Y40 a few pages back was; I think it was an early version of the Lenovo Z40, which looks quite similar to the Y40.

http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/lenovo/z-series/z40/

 

Observation: On the Canadian Lenovo website, it now says 3 weeks delivery where it used to say 1-3 days. Sounds more likely.

 

Its my Y50 and I need it now! I plan to do a review of the Y50 when its released like when I did the first actual Y500 review.

 

I ordered mine on the 16th and it still says released to manufacturing, I don't have a ups tracking number or anything. How long does it take for the "released for manufacturing" period to be completed?

 

What model did you purchase? I bought the i7-4710HQ yesterday and it was already released to manufactoring, but also wondering how long it going to take. I don't want mine to come in the middle of June -.-

 

it's funny to see you guys complaining about getting it mid june

while i live in europe i can probably expect to get mine like september XD

 

I'm planning to order it only after the summer vacation

 

I got the i7-4710HQ Blu-ray model

 

After all the discussion and debate, is the general consensus to go with the base model 4700HQ and 2gb GTX?

I'm thinking of ordering fast, really need something for trip mid-July and if delivery will take as long as some are posting... I'd feel safer doing so ASAP.

 

No offense, but id rather hear from someone who will actually test that. With a slimmer body it could already be too audible in idle and low load...
Im hoping its not the case as with most other slim systems though and that it keeps around y510p noise emission levels.

 

hey! whats with the 80% abstention yesterday in Slovenia? :-O kidding

yeah, I'm curious about the heat too.. I can live with the loud noise during gaming (I suppose under low stress it'll be silent) but it'd be interesting to know if it can be OC'ed, etc

 

I'm looking for a desktop class / light gaming laptop. I also want it to be a bit future proof, so I was looking at $1500 range machines.
I was first comparing the Y510 and the Asus N550JK. I choose the Asus model because it had everything I wanted. Nvideo card, I7, 8 gig ram, 15 inch and touch screen.
I'm figuring that in the next 3 years 'touch' on Windows may be used more, so I might as well get it. Especially since $399 laptops seem to have it.

I talked to a "laptop upgrade" online shop who said they had the Asus in stock and I could add more ram, and swap out the HD to a 500GB SSD and they would put a clean install of Windows 8.1 on it for me. Sounded great. I know I was paying about $150 more vs doing it myself. I order it and then they call me back to say it's out of stock and they have 1 order out for the Asus's and I could be placed in a 2nd order batch (not yet sent out) and it would be "weeks".
I cancelled the order, as I don't want to wait the whole summer.
I also noticed the shop.Asus didn't list it anymore and people were saying it kept appearing/disappearing from the site. The ONLY place on the net that seemed to have it was Amazon, and I'm dubious if they even have it. If I went with Amazon, then I'd have to buy the SSD separately and hope I can get it working properly by mirroring the HD.

Then I noticed the Y50 seemed to be available, so I wanted to order that. My concerns:

What happened to ordering electronics on the Internet and getting it within 2 days? Why are all of these laptops back ordered 4 weeks - Oct? They gave up making laptops due to tablets and now they have 0 capacity? A parts factory burnt down? If online ordering = 3 month window, I might as well go to a store and find something. I mean, this is like 1970's and ordering from the Sears catalog, but even they would get it to you faster than 3 months.

Why are there no Y50 reviews? (as others have pointed out). Wouldn't they send the first batch to Reviewers? There is also not a single unboxing of the laptop on Youtube. This implies to me that not a single machine has been produced. That's kind of scary. Maybe they have production issues.

Why can't they make a Touch + SSD version? When I see Costco has 30 $399 laptops that are touch, it seems very lame why I can't get a Touch one at $1400.

Comparing the Y50 to the Asus n550JK, the Y50 has more memory, faster video card and comes with a SSD option.
Is there any other comparable laptop that offers I7, 850-860+ card, SSD and touch screen?

I look forward to a formal review and *anyone* receiving one.

 

Not really. If you have cash to spend there's always the Razer Blade, but that computer is overpriced. If you're not going to be doing really heavy gaming or mostly running game emulators (that focus on the CPU), there are a few more options. The Dell XPS 15 is a very good computer and probably has the nicest screen out of any laptop. You can get the 4K screen at around $1900 but with SSD it'll go up to $2300...So it's also overpriced (and has occassional annoying coil whine and a small keyboard), but if you want a premium laptop very few things aren't.

 

If the XPS 15 was even $1900 for the top model I would probably get it: the screen is just that good and it looks very, very sexy and perfect for business/office use. But I can't spend over $2300 on a laptop...especially with those specs. The ASUS N550JK would be higher on my cobsideration list if it just didn't have a DVD drive and was slimmer. DVD drives are totally useless to me (I have an external one that I use 2 times a year when necessary) and they make the laptop less solid and compact. I don't care about touchscreen but other gaming laptops with enough power and value are all either ugly/embarassingly flashy (RoG Series, Alienware), are too heavy/bulky (Alienware, Y510), or have crappy build quality (MSI Ghost GS60) So eight now the Y50 is my only option, and it is also a far better deal.

 

I agree that the y50 seems to be the only option that ticks all the buttons (maybe the n550jk at a stretch) but until I see a phisical review or unboxing, this lenovo jem remains barely more than vapourware

 

What's bad about the ghost's build quality except the screen bezel?

 

I found a review here: TechKalauz - Lenovo IdeaPad Y50 teszt, but is in hungarian :S

 

The Razer overpriced.......I really don't think so. I got my 256GB model for a little over $2000 after a student discount and promotion code rebate on the MS store. It is beautiful and hands down has the most stunning build quality of any Windows laptop I have ever owned to date. Think of it as buying the Ferrari of laptops (not everyone can afford to have one but would love to own one), sure there might be more powerful laptops out there but not in such a compact form factor, it's a sleek and sexy looking laptop and the screen leaves me speechless it's that stunning.Playing BioShock Infinite on the highest settings at 3200x1800 screen res is just crazy and I get a steady 30+FPS .
It has the power and stunning looks to be worth every penny.
But enough of the RAZER we're here to talk about the Y50.

 

It is only a review of a prototype model, already posted few hundred pagas back.

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

 

I am lucky enough to have seen the XPS 15 in person. I live right by a Micro Center and they had the new top model on sale for $1800 (SSD, NVIDIA card, UHD touchscreen, etc). My budget stops at $1200 so I wasn't about to pay more for it when the Y50 has what I need, but let me tell you it is one of the best built laptops I have seen in my life. It was right next to the Asus N550JV (last years' model) and comparing the two, the XPS 15 blew the Asus out of the water. I thought that the N56 was nice too, but the N55 is better. Beware, if you do get the Asus, know that it is substantially heavier than the Y series. The weight dispersion is awful, unlike the Y510.

 

you mean QHD+? currently the only UHD 15.6" laptop available is toshiba

 

With Razer you're basically paying $1000 extra and what you're getting is a higher resolution screen, a better graphics card, and a supposedly better design. But the screen has had complaints of ghosting - a far bigger sin than viewing angles when gaming or doing anything else, really. And the GTX870 is a Kepler card and runs much, much hotter than the 860. Combining this with the Blade's even thinner frame, it's obvious that the laptop will run hotter than most of its competitors. I know the 2013 Blade got really warm for sure. Finally, the design is at best a subjective preference: personally, I really dislike the huge ugly snake logo on the lid; it makes you look like a bit of a tool if you take it to a business meeting, and ruins the clean appearance of the laptop. And the rest of the laptop looks too much like a Macbook clone; it doesn't feel as original or cool as the Y50's design. In my opinion, of course. Don't get me wrong: it's a great laptop! And if a 500GB SSD model was available for under $2000 I would grab one. But spending over $1000 extra for less storage and for features of debatable overall benefit is too much. For me, the Y50 is the easy choice.

Oops, sorry for continuing the off-topicness! This'll be my last post on the Razer Blade for now!


@H01D3N: I've also seen the XPS 15 in person and it is indeed awesome. If the keyboard included a numpad or at least real Home, Pg Up, Pg Dn, and End keys on the right, I might have even bought one. Why the heck doesn't it? Even my 4 year old 13.3" laptop has those! For RPGs or other games with lots of key bindings, it is so useful having that distinct set of keys! Incidentally, this type of keyboard also bothers me on Macbooks and on the Razer Blade (sorry for bringing that up again....lol). 15.6" computers in particular really have no excuse not to have larger keyboards with more RPG-useful keys, if not a full numpad. Another thing that seems really annoying is the coil whine: have you heard it before? I never have, but it seems like something that could really irk me after a while...especially if it happened more frequently as the laptop got older. Oh, and the graphics card should really be from the GTX800-series if Dell is selling this computer as a premium multimedia machine; as it is, the computer costs too much for the lower specs.

 

the gaps on the chassis, the heat, the speakers, sigh...