--->The Official MSI GT780/GT783 Owner's Lounge<---

If a M6000 is still available in a few weeks around that price point, I would be more than willing to do it to get my laptop running again.

 

Could you also help me then? Please open nvidia Control Panel, go to custom resolution tab and try to create 100Hz (and 96) profile. What I need is to know if greyed out numbers change when you type different refresh rate (100 and 96) and a screenshot of those greyed out numbers like this.

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Also check if those numbers change after you press Test button and go back to that profile.
I can't do this because I use AMD card now.

 

I am going out for a little while, but if I have time when I get back I will be more than happy to do that for you.

Edit: I got the images for you. They aren't the best quality, but it's the best I can do at the moment.
60Hz:

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100Hz:

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Hi man, my 570m died a while back. Im currently running a Dell 460m,modded driver, which is slow as hell.

Could you maybe tell me how to get an AMD card running. Heard you will need to blind flash for instance, which I know nothing about.

Thanks!

 

1. Mod heatsink a little with dremel or... Takes just few milimiters here, few there.
2. Buy 0.5mm thermal pads and copper shim (or just find any copper plate and cut it) for the die and perhaps for growing up some heatsink's areas for better contact with some components (different layout of some).
3. Assemble GPU and heatsink in the notebook. No blindflashing, no driver tweaking needed. Just put it and it works out of the box and works good: cool and fast.

Oh yeah! IMPORTANT! Screw in heatsink very gently. One of 4 screws shouldn't be screwed down tight because then corner of GPU crystal will get damaged. You will have to use .5 and old 1mm thermal pads on different components of GPU. Heatsink MUST be straight without damaging corner of the chip. Perhaps later if someone prepare everything I make a schematics of some sort.

 

How did you get the 460m working? Things came up and I couldn't get the M6000 I had planned to get but I got a friend who has an old 460m that he has no use for and is willing to give it to me.

 

Edit: Woops! Double posted on accident.

 

Whats up guys, New gt780dx owner here. So the first thing i did when i received this laptop was clean up any dust in the fans and heatsinks and swap the paste out for some AS5 like i do with all my rigs.

So i monitor my temps while playing CSGO and im getting around 80c - 35 -45 percent cpu use, and 65c - 100 percent gpu use. (570M).

My particular rig has a 2670QM CPU in it, but the CPU temps seem pretty high given this is a gaming notebook. I dont get any throttling and im sitting near 3.1 turbo almost the whole time so i just wanted to make sure these temps are something this notebook can live with or if i should be worrying about more cooling.

- thanks

 

Congrats! First of all 570M GPU is an old and hot card. Yet 100C is still too much, especially if you didn't turn on P1 Turbo overclocking.
CPU should be cooler too but I have a feeling that there is not an ideal angle of CPU heatsink's contact area with die chip.
So you could use MX-4 or better paste (AS5.... meh) and clean heatsink's copper with isopropil and cloth or tooth brush. Put an average amount of paste drop and let it be pushed by screwing heatsink pressure.

 

Im getting 65c on the gpu and 80c on the chip and my mistake i have a 2760QM. I have a feeling that the stock 2630qm was just enough for this laptops cooler to handle and the 2760QM is just too much.

 

Oh, those are totally OK. No worries until 85 for GPU or 95 to CPU.
Your CPU is above what your GPU is capable of. You can try to slightly overclock GPU or upgrade it to 970M 980M or lower grade 7970M or 770M. Just play with it like it is before overclocking.

 

I had looked alot at upgrading my gpu. I completely skipped over the 770m, do we need the dell or msi or clevo versions? each iteration seems to like different card brands. i know i would need a new heatsink. Could i just purchase the heatsink from a 770m instead of modifying mine in case i wanted to keep the 570 for backup as mine still works great.

 

770M? Clevo or MSI as I heared. I'm pretty sure Dell will be fine to as long as it will be preflashed to MSI or Clevo's vBIOS but it's 2016 now so don't trust my words completely.
I heared you can mod and drell 570M heatsink but yeah, 770M heatsink will be better from GT70.
Yet 770M and 7970M are pretty old now, not worth 200$ IMO as can die after long workload time (especially 7970m!).

 

Hi all. I'm trying to update my drivers on my laptop as I have been running in to issues ever since the windows 10 anniversary update hit. When I go to laptopvideo2go and look for drivers and their respected .inf I am presented with an error on their website stating " Error: An Internal Error Has Occurred." It has been like this for days. Can anyone coach me on how to find and download the correct driver and .inf? I have an Nvidia GeForce GTX 970m installed in my msi gt780 dxr.

 

http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/31633-msi-gt-780-dxr-help/#comment-149758

 

Hi man,just a simple install and a driver inf mod.Easy

 

My M6000 is on its way.Will let you know how it goes.Holding thumbs!

 

Here you are. Red one is easy to do with manual iron rust/rubber. Yellow one is small but tricky so I used electric dremel.
Grey one is not mandatory if you use non-conductive thermal paste on component underneath instead of pad. You will have to use both original 1 mm and aftermarket 0.5 mm pads.
Also you will have to grow conection between VRMs and aluminum heatsink by pads. Preferably use original and cut it because Chinese aren't the best for this considering how thick they it needs to be (4 mm or so)

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Hi there everyone! This is my first time posting here. I need some help with replacing my GPU.

I own a GT780DX since February 2012. A little more than a month ago, my video card (GTX 570m) died. The computer still turns on and works fine, but playing games is nearly impossible. I can run world of warcraft in the lowest possible graphics settings in windowed mode 1368 x 720 with about 15 fps. Before trying to replace it, I tried baking it, but couldn`t fix it. So, now I`m looking for a replacement for the 570m.

From my research here, I found out that 2 good options are the 7970m and the 770m. I saw that James D recommended the m6000 as a more affordable option. So, I have a few doubts that I want to really clear them up before making a decision. I know that many things have already been said in this thread (I`ve done some research), but, please, be patient with me. I`ll try to be very concise.

About the 770m:
1) I might purchase an already vbios modded card. Do I need to do any modification to the heatsink? In link 1, the user "majster msi" posted some pictures showing some differences between the 570m and 770m heatsinks. Do I only need to adequately place the thermal pads? In link 2, the user "wreelsw" describes his steps in upgrading and does not mention heatsink modding. I`ve read in other pages that modding isn`t necessary.

Link 1: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...83-owners-lounge.584869/page-897#post-9404791
Link 2: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-official-msi-gt780-gt783-owners-lounge.584869/page-900


About the 7970m:
2) Does 570m`s heatsink fits this one? Does it need modding?
3) Does this card needs vbios flashing?


About the m6000:
4) @James D , thanks for the heatsink modding image. If I end up choosing this card, this will be super useful!
5) I see at notebookcheck.net (link 3) that the m6000 is pretty equivalent to the 570m. Will it work fine with the laptop?
6) Does it need some driver .inf modding? If so, will the computer turn on and go into windows so I can do the modding?


The m6000 card has a very atractive price (new, under $100) in comparison to the 770m (new, over $300). It seems to me that the m6000 would be the best cost-benefit for spending money on a 2012 laptop.


One last thing for now. Are there more affordable options that you guys know of? I found a list by James D a few pages ago.

It is so overwhelming all this information about upgrading the GPU. It is kindda hard to organize everything in order to make the final decision. I really appreciate all the info you guys provided in this thread and all the help you can give me.

Thank you in advance!

 

Where are you from?
7970m should be v.1.2 if I recall correctly. Clevo or MSI usually have better compatibility or the only way to work. It is fast but 7970m die so I wouldn't buy it.
970m would be good if it was cheaper (300 for example).

Dell M6000 needs only heatsink mod + copper shim and careful screwing 1 out of 4 screws or it breaks. No idea if HP nededs drivers mod or vbios flash.

 

I`m from Brazil. By the way, sorry for any mistakes in the writing. If anything is not clear enough, please let me know.

These replacement parts are super hard to find here.

@James D , yesterday I asked a ebay seller if the m6000 would work in the GT780DX. The card in question is the one in the link below. He answered me today saying that it would not work. Does it mean it doesn`t work at all, or will it work if do some vbios modding?

OEM Dell Precision M6700 AMD FirePro M6000 2G DDR5 Graphics Video Card

I`m really inclined to go for a m6000. I`m just a little bit worried if I`ll have any trouble. If anything, I still can go for the 770m (too expensive).

I wished they still manufactured the 570m for replacements.....


Ah, by the way, I`m using an usb cooler by coolermaster. So, would this minimize the need for modifying the heatsink?

 

Aw man, I think my beloved gt780 is dead It shuts off randomly, like a power out, then 2-3 secs later it restarts. It happens with the power cord in, and only on battery, but not in safe mode. I did 13hrs of memtest86+, cleaned, re-pasted, tried clean boot, uninstalling the last windows updates, tried disabling all processors (read somewhere that might help a similar issue) and it always restarts.

Happened sometimes before, but now it happens from just browsing, and the last 3 days I can barely turn it on, it restarts 5-6 times from windows logo to desktop, and then I get to use it 1-15 mins before it restarts again. No BSODs or anything, just straight death.

I read it might be the PSU, but a new one is like $120 and not easily available for me, and if that's not the problem.. I don't have the money to take that risk. I don't know how to test my GPU as I read that might be an issue too. But if the GPU is done for, getting a new one might be $300+, and I don't know if I wanna invest that kind of money in a 4.5 year old laptop.

Unless someone has any good suggestions for fixing my laptop, see my next post for tips. There were always cool and helpful people, like smitty and WTP, here everytime I needed some help.

 

Hey owners, I think my beloved GT780 (see sig) has met up with father time after almost 4.5 years of use. I am now looking to buy a new msi computer as I fell in love with my gt780 and have faith in them.

But man are they expensive now! So I'm mostly a browser, movie watcher and gamer, usually not of the most popular games, but I'd like my laptop to last me 3-5 years and still feel like a "mid-level" laptop in about 3-4 years time (I might be cheated by bias, but I feel like my gt780 was definitely still nice for newer games too!).

My questions are mostly GPU vs. price related.

Spec 1:
MSI GT72VR 6RD-034NE

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i7-6700HQ
16GB ram (DDR4-2133 MHz)
GTX 1060 6 GB
Full HD Matrix display
128GB SSD + 1TB 7200 RPM SATA
$2220

Spec 2:
MSI GT72 6QD-1004NE Dominator G

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i7-6700HQ
8GB ram (DDR4-2133 MHz)
GTX 970M 3 GB
Full HD IPS display
128GB SSD (NVMe) + 1TB 7200 RPM SATA
$1730

Spec 3:
MSI GT72S 17.3" Full HD matte

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i7-6700HQ
16GB ram (DDR4-2133 MHz)
GTX 980M
Full HD G-Sync
128GB SSD + 1TB 7200 RPM SATA
$2150

Spec 4:
MSI GT72VR 17.3" FHD matte G-SYNC

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i7-6700HQ
16GB ram (DDR4-2133 MHz)
GTX 1060 6 GB
Full HD Matrix display
128GB SSD + 1TB 7200 RPM SATA
$2220 (But only maybe available in a month, and my laptop is dead now)

Spec 5:
MSI GT72S 17.3" FHD matt

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i7-6820HK
16GB ram (DDR4-2133 MHz)
GTX 970M 3 GB
Full HD IPS Matrix display
128GB SSD (PCIe) + 1TB 7200 RPM SATA
Computer bag incl.
$2100

Spec 6:
MSI GT72S 6QE-054NE Dominator Pro G

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i7-6820HK
16GB ram (DDR4-2133 MHz)
GTX 980M 4 GB
Full HD IPS Matrix display
256GB SSD + 1TB 7200 RPM SATA
$2600

First of all, I am in Norway, so don't mind the prices on their own, look rather at the percentage increase/decrease in price, please.

So as you see, there are a lot of options, and little differentiates them. I am quite inclined towards spec 1, as it has the 1060 and I can go and have it in my hands tomorrow. But spec 2 is $500 cheaper (25%), although it "only" (??) has a 970M and 8GB RAM (but I don't really need more?). A nice chunk of money.

I guess spec 1 is better than spec 3, no? Although I read that 980M is better at some things while 1060 is better at others, notebookcheck's tests show about 20% better FPS in games from 1060 though. But spec 3 has 980M with G-Sync, how does that compare to 1060 without G-Sync? Spec 3 is also about $70 cheaper (3-4%).

Spec 4 is probably the best, but is only pre-order for now, and says "approx available October 20th", so it's not even for sure to be out then, and how will I survive a month without a laptop?

Spec 5 and 6 are alternatives, although 6 is probably way out of my price range, but spec 5 has the newer i7-6820HK and the older 970M card. Also $120 cheaper (5-6%)

 

@bigbadVuk

Hey man, from my experience, having owned 2 "desktop replacements", I`d say I`ll never again by another one of these supercomputers. I think that the price I pay for the increase in performance is absolutely not worth. I can`t speak for everyone, though. All I know is that I have a GPU to replace that costs about $350... for another $400 I can buy a pretty decent laptop for all kinds of uses. This is what I would recommend for you to buy. Something similar to this one is what I would look for in the future:

Dell 15.6" Inspiron 15 7000 Series Notebook

It is an overall well rounded laptop, not "overspecced" in any aspect, and it is well above the average computer.


From the ones you listed above, I`d say that the second one is the one that seems the best choice, according to my parameters. However, I can`t really say for certain as I don`t know how these prices translate to US dollars.

 

Clean up the fans and heatsink vents, could be an overheating issue. But it could be AC adapter too.

 

@bigbadVuk

Oh, and about your laptop, as Kevin just said, it could be overheating. And the fact that it does not turn off when in safe mode, makes this possibility even stronger, I`d say.

And by the way, I`d really recommend one of those external table coolers like the ones from coolermaster, thermaltake. From my past experiences, I`ll always try to overventilate my laptops.

 

@Kevin@GenTechPC

Like I said, I cleaned it out and reapplied thermal paste as soon as it was happening, still keeps happening. Even if it's off for 24 hours and I start it up, it might shut off at the windows loading screen. And sometimes I might get an hour of gaming in. I've tried "everything" (that I could think of or that google provided from threads with similar/same issues) except GPU/PSU test. But I don't know how to test those, and I am pretty sure I don't have the tools, as I am not a tool owning type of person .

Also, I sent you guys an e-mail, how long is the usual response time on one of those? Hmm.. Now I'm thinking maybe I typed in the wrong address, I'll double check.

@Feanaro

After typing it all out I noticed it was a bit lenghty, so I'll put it in spoilers to not bore others with it.

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Yeah I see your point, but I guess I don't agree. My previously owned laptops all "sucked" after 2 years or so, significantly slower, had issues running newer games, etc. etc. But when they were new they were good, just not great. Now of course, if I buy a new comp for $1000 and another one in 2 years for $1000 I'll have two pretty good computers for 4 years.

But after owning the gt780 for 4.5 years now, I have been extremely happy with it. Easy to clean, easy to upgrade if I wish, big screen, sturdy (I want a laptop to save space and because I don't like being tied to once room with a desktopPC, so portability isn't important as it's mostly in my house). And it might just be placebo but I felt like I had an amazing computer the first year and a half, and past that I felt it was great. I mean I could aaalmost run Witcher 3 on it now (it was a taaad bit slow, maybe 25 fps or so). Ran GTA V fine on medium at 4.5 years old, that's not something I'm sure I'd expect from a "standard" laptop after it's approx a year old.

If you look at your example (well, I don't really know your other specs so I might be saying dumb stuff), pay $350 to upgrade your GPU and your laptop is probably great again, and probably better than a new $750 comp. i.e. My old GT780DXR. If I knew it would still be functional I could spend $600 and have the laptop in my sig with a GTX 970M (instead of the 580M), and if you compare that with the $860 laptop you suggested, I come out with a similar (maybe even better?) comp, better: graphics (970 vs 960), screensize (17.3 vs 15.6), storage (SSD and 750GB 7200 RPM vs 1TB 5400 RPM), worse: ram (but I don't really need more than 8), processor.

And lastly the $2200 comp (in Norway) costs $1500-$1600 in the US, so that $860 dell you posted would be around $1100-$1200 here, so the upgrade price of $600 is even more appealing... but I am too scurred.

Thanks for your replies guys!

 

@bigbadVuk

Interesting points you made. I`m still not really sure about my approach to these purchases. It`s just that my experience with these supercomputers wasn`t te best possible. The computer is great, but this is the second time it gives me headaches. So, they seem to be bound to fail, and I think too much money is at stake when it fails. I imagine that I`ll care less if an $800 computer dies.


About your problem, maybe it could be the GPU? Try logging in safe mode and disable the GPU at the device manager. Then restart the laptop and see if it crashes again.

 

Which email address did you send to?

 

@Kevin@GenTechPC

Got in touch with Ken a few hours after that post!

 

@James D

So I got the M6000 today, did the mods on the heatsink etc. The card does not boot though Put the old 460m back in, no issue,

Any suggestions, except for a broken card, that I could look at?

Colin

 

What's your current version of BIOS & EC firmware? Make sure they are up-to-date.

 

I have a custom bios from SVEN

BIOS : E1761IMS.30H
EC : 1761EMS1 Ver4.18

 

Hey. Could you post a photo of the card here? Look at GPU die too, does it have any small crack or anything? M6000 does work on MSI GT780, not just tested by me but by other members of another site
Did you tighten all screws very tight ? It could break it.
Reasons of not working: damaged while taking off x-bracket, damaged die, incompatible vbios (latest never been seen before with M6000). Also you could clean pin contacts by erazer of GPU and blow those from motherboard. Also load bios defaults.

 

Im sure I did not damage it during any process,was very carefull.Not seeing any damage.Will try cleaning and loading defaults.

 

Well, this may happen if screw tightly. Where did you buy it? Did it come with x-braket?

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Will ask the seller on ebay if I can return it.

I've done a GPU swap before, so unless I was very unlucky, removing the x-bracket should not have caused any issues. Was very careful. Literally just let the screws make contact with the thread, to test it before screwing it in a little more.

Anyhow, back to my 460m, will let you know what the seller said. Maybe I just got a DOA card.

 

Do you guys think that a 770m for $330 is a good price?

And, just to make sure, if it is modded for the GT780DX, will it be a simple plug and play?

And, as I`m using one of those coolermaster table coolers, do you think modding the heatsink is mandatory? Or will I be ok with the extra cooler?

 

@colin_87 , Here is mine AMD FirePro M6000 in GT783. You can see 2 types of thermal pads. Greyish blue is .5mm new and greenish blue are original .7mm or 1mm.

As far as I know there were no situation where card would need some vbios reflash, it just worked. I personally bought Dell one from China seller on TaoBao. vBIOS version can be found on the picture of GPU-z, I overclocked it to 880 and flashed with new clocks.
In case you need stock vBIOS you can find it in the zip. I suggest to doublecheck this GPU in another computer (like m15x" and if it works then flash this vBIOS or already modded one.p.s. what "card does not boot" actually mean? Sure metal heatsink didn't touch smd components?

 

Hi everyone,

Looks like I'm part of the club now. My MSI gt780dx GPU has finally given up. At first, it started showing artifacts with horizontal lines throughout the whole screen. It froze my computer until I hard shut it down. I had some luck getting it to boot but with lines all over the screen. I got to post windows and backed up what I could. Although, when I got to the desktop, it showed that the video card was not recognized? Is that normal for a dead GPU?

Anyway, I tried bringing it back to life by taking the gpu out and blowing out he dust. When that didn't work, I tried the oven method but didn't quite do anything either .

I loved the laptop, I bought it brand new in 2012. It has lasted me all these years with minimal maintenance. I still believe it is a decent laptop in this day and age. I'm not in a good financial position to purchase a new laptop at the moment, but if I were, I think I'd stick with MSI again.

Anyway, I would love to keep using this laptop with just replacing the GPU. My technical abilities are limited, and I don't have the necessary tools to play around or alter any parts. I would love to just purchase a card and plug and play. I can tinkle around modding a BIOS but that's probably as far as I can go...

What do you guys recommend? I've tried looking for another 570m on ebay but they're all gone.

I don't need top of the line performance. My budget is <$300 CAD with shipping.

Thank you in advance!

 

Well, bugdet way was M6000 but for some reason colin_87 was not lucky and his laptop didn't boot with it. I personally bought Dell one from here and it worked like a charm but I can't recommend this seller as a good one because it came with slightly corner cracked die and not yellow components but black (not like on the photo). It was very tiny corner crack and it works but how can I recommend him to someone in this situation? So you choose yourself. Also I bought it for twice the price, now his price is 2x lower, whatever it means. Also other people used m6000 in their laptops. But as I said, colin_87 wasn't lucky for some reason, most likely DOA card but who knows. Maybe it was HP m6000 and maybe it isn't plug and play... just wild guessing here.

 

That's a really good price, but I'm not sure I'm capable of modifying the heatsink. I don't have the tools nor access to them unfortunately...But if I can't find anything else, that will be my last resort.

Do you know what other models fit into this laptop just plug and play?

 

@James D
Should I expect the m6000 to post so I can do the vbios mod? Is there a preferable brand (like clevo, dell....)?

 

LOL! How did you buy from it? Is there a good translator? Or do you know mandarin (or whatever that is)?

 

There usually are third-parties agencies for taobao site in every country which usually take 10-15%. Question if there is trusted one in yourth. So there are ebay, alibaba too.

If it posts then you don't need vbios mod unless overclocking. If there are uncompatible vbioses for m6000 then no.
Listen guys, I just know that our laptop successfully works, other suggested me and I bought first one found and as other said it worked for me but never tested all possible vendors.
Perhaps in 3 months will test another one with yellow components but also Dell.

 

So it appears the following cards are compatible for msi gt780:
nvidia: 460/560/570/580/670m
amd: 5870/6970/6990/7970m

But I'm having trouble finding concise information on which ones are simple plug and play with just a bios flash and no heatsink modification. Will I have trouble flashing the bios without a working GPU? My screen is completely black now.

Anyone care to shed some more information? Much appreciated!

 

If you read few pages back you will find longer list of supported cards.

 

@zacasmith

From all I know, this is how it works:

Let`s say you get a 770m. It needs to be vbios modded prior to installing it to your laptop. If it is not modded, your screen will stay black after you install it. You will then need to install it on a laptop that is compatible with it and do the needed modification in the vbios. After that, you install the card at your laptop.

Also, it seems that all cards need some heatsink modification. I don`t know if it super mandatory for all of them. I think that for the 770m, you don`t really need to do anything, although a modification in the heatsink might help to go down some 8ºC.

I also am really uncertain about what to do (my GPU is dead). I`m afraid to buy something that won`t work.


And, as a last resort, you could always try to bake your card. It is pretty easy and it might really help to revive your card for a few months. Check on youtube for videos on how to do it.


James D wrote a few pages ago about some other options of compatible GPUs:

 

Also some people sayid that for 8970M you also need to set some PCI settings to legacy. 7970M is a very bad choice now because they oftenly die and they are used so 8970m is bad one too.