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Agreed! Those temps are too high..... and if I recall correctly, MrShadowness was reporting unusually high temps early on. I am also wondering what his environmental ambient temps are like.... ???

 

Ahhhhh, now see, remember when I was telling you I felt my GPU was a bit weak compared to yours? Around 710 was the point I found stability too. Now I don't feel so bad.......

Anyhow, enjoy the heck out of that game..... you deserve it! We'll both be bored with it soon enough, LOL!

 

Thank you for the replies about the VRAM and screen size!!!

 

hey guys, thank you for your response. u guys are so pro. hahahah..

well, I think MSI is quite a solid option for me now on. But for the gt780dx-215US and -099US, are the only differences on the RAM and blue ray dvd player? Is there anything else? Thanks!

 

From a reseller here in the forum:

They all the same laptop, the only difference is the system configuration from MSI, some has more RAM and larger hard drive and different optical drive with different base price that's all.

You could get the -215US and configure it to have the same parts as the -099US, then there would be no difference at all in and out.

 

You could get the cheaper one then upgrade later on (like me )

 

My boy is in the US Navy, currently going through schooling in Florida. I live in the state of Washington. There is no chance he would or could grab my system. But, he did mention something about coming home for the holidays. Now I'm getting suspicious .... :confused2: Nah ... it will be fine.

 

I just purchased the 215us and am happy with it. There is a difference vs the 099 model worth noting, however, and that is that the 215us cannot do raid 0. This was not a priority for me but might be for others.

 

I'm pretty sure all GT780 is able to do RAID... just need the bios the two Hard drive of the same model?

 

The -215 is only a 'DX' model not 'DX R' like the -099. They have different BIOS too.

 

Any GT780 will support RAID 0.

All you need is the proper BIOS that can be downloaded at the MSI site, and two identical hard drives.

You will notice that all resellers that customize the GT780 offer RAID 0 on the -215.

 

what is RAID 0 used for?

 

to form 2 separate but identical hard drives as a single one and double read/write speed in the process.

 

In my opinion Ken and his team did everything all right, although there is a possibility, that something went wrong, or wasnt implemented right at all. In my opinion runnin around 80+ with turbo fan and WITHOUT overclocking, is kinda absurd, too.

To add to this, the least stressful game is black ops zombies where i get around 78 temps. Most stressful is the already-mentioned Warhammer : Retribution+ where i got even 91 temps...

 

Hi guys, I am new here. I am really interested in getting a MSI GT780, but here in South Africa I am very limited with my choices.

My question is, what exactly is the difference between the GT780R and the GT780DXR?

Or better yet, what is the difference between this GT780R and this GT780DXR?

The only difference I see is about a $250 price difference, but everything else is exactly the same.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Edit: Ooops I just noticed the GFX Card is different. Well new question, is the GTX570 $250 better than the GTX560?

 

But apparently RAID 0 doesn't increase read write speed by too much??? What would you say the percentage of the increased performance be???

!!! Remember to say it's not in USD lol... gave me a huge fright. I think the GTX570m is worth it

 

Interesting, so what's the point of having a non-RAID BIOS when you could just have it as an option but keep it disabled? Kind of weird that it fails MSi's naming convention too.

90-95*C with turbo fan is what is ridiculous. Seriously, I would just have a chat with Ken and see what he has to say. He uses this notebook a lot, so he'll know if something's up. If your notebook shuts down by itself, especially from overheating, something is not right.

 

When I purchased my gt780 215us from xoticpc.com they said raid 0 was not available for that unit, fyi.

 

I would like to know about the surrounding temp. Where do you live?

 

A QUICK NOTE:

MSI offers 2 type of bios.

_____30B and _____10B

The one ending with 30B has a RAID option.
The one ending with 10B doesn't have a RAID option.

Any GT780 system can work with any of the two BIOS! I've tested it and I've had no problems at all.

 

Yes it will be worth it.

check my GPU upgrading thread, i posted my crystal mask score there on my raid system and both read write score are doubled comparing to non raid.

I think MSI did that to keep unsuspecting customer to buy the more expensive raid system without knowing they could do that on their own on cheaper machine?

 

But you're using SSD... and not many people have the $$ to RAID SSDs... Do you know how much better RAID would be if you use 2 mechanical drives?

 

When I try to update my BIOS following these instructions I get an error saying: Unsupported 16-Bit application

the program or feature xxxx cannot start or run due to incompatibility with 64 bit versions of windows. please contact the software vendor to ask if a 64 bit windows compatible version is available.

 

Hmm how about this?

Next Level Hardware.com: Seagate 7200.11 Raid 0 Results

 

Specifically, where in the procedure are you seeing this error message? This should have nothing to do with the bios flash, and I suspect it has more to do with your USB pen drive. Prior to using UNetBootin, did you format your pen drive? Try reformatting your USB stick with the settings of ' FAT32', ' 4096' bytes, and start the procedure over again.

If this does not help, try another USB stick. I have seen a few older USB sticks (though rare) that will produce this error on 64-Bit systems.

If you are using the latest version of UNetBootin, you should not be running into any 64-Bit compatibility issues. Here is some info on WIN 7 Compatibility Mode.

 

You'ure probably executing it from windows.
YOU NEED A FLASH DRIVE, AND BOOT DIRECTLY FROM DOS.

See the instructions posted by Striker.

 

Sorry for being such a noob.. I think my main problem is that I'm getting lost inbetween steps 3 & 4.
I'm somewhat tech savvy, but have always been bad at flashing/ updating bios

 

ugh, just realized my mistake, fixing it and trying again!

 

Thank you for your help ^.^ This is my first succesful bios update and now I can fully enjoy this kickass laptop!

 

Congratz! Glad to help......

 

Thanks! That really helped a lot!

 

Thank you man, my model is GT780DXR-095U.

I am gonna do a clean install in my crucial m4 only with that.

 

Crucial Firmware Updates:
http://www.crucial.com/support/firmware.aspx

It's a good idea to install Windows 7 from a USB stick and the Intel RTS software v10.6.0.1001 f6flpy version from a second USB stick at the add driver screen of the installation right before the Windows 7 files get expanded and installed.

After the files are expanded and installed the computer will reboot for the 1st time.During this reboot remove both the USB sticks to prevent the installation starting from the beginning again after the reboot.

The Intel Chipset Installation Software is the 1st thing I install after my clean installation finishes.Version 9.2.3.1022 is the latest WHQL release.Netframework 4 goes in next.

If your computer has Windows 7 installed and activated you can save your activation information and apply it to the new clean installation using the Advanced Tokens Manager.



http://docs.joshcellsoftwares.com/home/AdvancedTokensManager.7z?attredirects=0

Advanced Tokens Manager 3.2 - 100% Clean - certified by Softpedia - Softpedia

 

There's 2 new Nvidia drivers posted on laptopvideo2go.com

285.64 and 285.69

NVIDIA Windows Vista / Windows 7 (64 bit
DriverVer = 10/25/2011, 8.17.12.8569
NVIDIA_DEV.0DEF.01 = "NVIDIA N13P-NS1-A1"
NVIDIA_DEV.1058.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce 610M"
NVIDIA_DEV.105A.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce 610M"
NVIDIA_DEV.1213.01 = "NVIDIA N13E-GS1-LP"
NVIDIA_DEV.1247.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 555M"
NVIDIA_DEV.1247.02 = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 635M"

NVIDIA N13 driver 285.64/285.69 - LaptopVideo2Go Forums

 

interesting! the 6xx series is coming!

 

Well well well. My name is no longer correct...I'm so NOT bying the GT780DX. The reason? I live in Denmark and the only avaliable version in my couintry and the rest of Northern Europe, is withi7-2630qm, 750 hdd, bd drive, 16 gb slow slow ram, 120 gb ssd sata-300. I dont't need 16 gb ram, 8 is fine. I certainly don't want that crappy intel 320 ssd. I would like it without the ssd and put one in of my own choice, with sata-600, but here that isn,t an option. Then there's the price 15.000kr- 2830 dollars? What?. In the US this version costs 1899 dollars so that's 1.5 times more than in the US. And it should only be about 1,33 times more. If this is MSI's way of treating their North European customers, I'm never gonna be one of them...F*** MSI.

I have now built my own desktop and off course there's no parts in it, from MSI

 

I never had more then 91* in the last week...But yea, i will send a PM to Ken, see if something is wrong or not. The catch here is the fact that the laptop never shut down itself. Actually it works under those temps too. Yesterday when was playing black ops i had a max temps of 75* ish. Kinda weird, but i should have tested it while playing Warhammer : Retribution, which is the stressful game where i got these temps.

 

Czech Republic. Surrounding temps are no higher then around 20ish. Actually its kinda cold here. I am laying in my bed and have the laptop on a pillow, but i have all the vents free, so there isnt anything like blocked air-flowing, for sure. I actually, pay a big attention to it. Sometimes spend 15 minutes just to make sure the laptop is sitting on the pillow, while having all holes free to not prevent proper cooling.

 

I told you they come, i told you xD Lets see if a 635M can beat at least 540M...or maybe 550M. Would be cool. If mobile cards are about to come, desktop should follow. Hope its before the rumored April, really....Need some time for non-reference models and i need new cards combo during Holidays

 

Odd.
You should really contact MSI if this issue persists!

 

I have a GT780DX-406US and noticed that a lot of site mention that this notebook have a 2 year warranty. I mailed in the documentation and see that my "warranty status" been updated to a limit warranty from my purchase date, however it is only 1 year from the purchase date. I thought this notebook has a 2 year warranty? Is this suppose to be correct? What is your warranty date?

the warranty is actually 2 years, did some research and email MSI. They got back to me and updated my warranty, so folks watch out on your warranty status on their warranty registration page.

Hui

 

Problem is, if they told me i should send the unit to them, its a little bit of a problem, honestly. I live in Czech and sending the unit back in US will not only cause problems since i cant connect to the internet via Desktop, but i cant even turn on the Desktop. Desktop is currently unavailable, until we get the Vacuum to lean the dust inside of the Desktop, and then get decent WiFi card.

Also in the next days we are ordering a special UPC package, its 120Mb/s down and 10Mb/s up internet connection + 80 TV channels for as low as 46 bucks. I will have to have this laptop here to test the connection, since its the only high-end working unit in here.

All in all, i rather wait and get the cooling pad, even id this one might be a little bit expensive, and see how it all turns out, rather then sending it back to US. Causes much more troubles then it solves.

 

All right - time to dive in with both feet. I've read the whole thread, and I'll be getting a GT780 in a week from XoticPC, but I'm not a gamer. I'm an engineer who needs a fast laptop for some very computationaly intesive applications, and I have a few questions which haven't been thouroughly addressed yet.

I ordered it with the Core™ i7-2960XM Processor Extreme Edition. I did this because I would like to overclock the *processor* (I don't care about the video card), thinking that this would make my applications run faster. I am somewhat confused on how to do this, or if it is even possible at all.

1) I initially ordered the laptop with XOTIC PC's Redline Boost Extreme Performance option for an additional 45 bucks, thinking the processor overclock would be done for me, but Brett from XoticPC told me "Unfortunately, due to warranty concerns we are not able to overclock the CPU on these. It should still be possible if you would like to do that on your own with the Intel XTU software". So, their Redline Boost Extreme option *will only overclock the graphics card*, even if you ordered an XM version of the CPU.

Is this even possible to do with the stock BIOS, or does Brett not know what he's talking about? If not, did I just blow an extra grand on a proccesor for nothing?

2) If I need to unlock the BIOS, has anyone used the one on the following thread and had success with overclocking the processor?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/616823-comprehensive-msi-unlocked-bios-xmp-support-thread.html

3) I ordered the laptop with 8 gigs of 1866 DDR3. It seems that some on this site think that the GT780 will still use the RAM at 1333, and others claim the laptop will use it at the correct speed. So, did I just waste more money with XoticPC in getting the RAM upgrade?

4) If so, do I need to unlock the BIOS to take advantage of the 1866 RAM?

That's about it for now. Thanks for the help, and I don't mind being the guinea pig if anone has any new ideas on how to approach this -

-Dano-

 

you cant overclock the CPU, its a waste of money to get the 2960XM. Not even with bios modification. You can overclock the graphic card all by yourself without fear of breaking warranty, there are plenty of tools available.

 

MSI doesn't treat North European customers bad, they just treat USA customers really really really good (get your facts right! XP) They sell it at the same price as your place in Taiwan (And they're a Taiwan company!) and In New Zealand they sell it at $3100 USD

Apparently if you want your ram to be faster, so far the only one I know that'll work is Kingstone PnP RAM, Others ones only run at 1333 I think. So far I don't think people have overclocked that CPU

 

For RAM to be faster than the 1333mhz limit you have two options:

1. You have Intel XMP supported RAM modules AND the modded BIOS to enable these clocks. It does not have to be HyperX branded as well, for instance these are XMP ready and have been confirmed to run at 1600mhz with the unlocked BIOS. Check the newegg review, I believe that's decapitated_chicken who tried it with his GT780DXR.

2. You have PnP modules.

1. Unfortunately, you've made a wrong assumption, but certainly you are not the first, I made the same mistake. There are only a few select notebooks on the market that allow multiplier changing through the BIOS. If you order an XM, you're stuck with turbo limits as your highest clock speed (blatant waste of $1,000). Off the top of my head these are the notebooks that do have support: M18x, M17x R3(mod), P170HM(mod/through XTU?). Paying $45 for them to OC your GPU is a waste, there are free programs that can do the same thing software wise, or you could modify the vBIOS which is what I assume/hope XoticPC at least does. . . It is impossible with this notebook to OC the CPU, that is all that is needed to be said.

I tried installing and running XTU on my MS-16F2, but it won't work because it isn't supported in the BIOS, unlike the Clevo P170HM. Perhaps Brett was going off of it working on a Clevo, assuming it would work on the MSi too? No clue, but XTU certainly doesn't work on my notebook and the BIOS are pretty much identical. Perhaps someone in this thread could try and confirm this, but I'm pretty damn sure there isn't any BIOS support. Take a look here if your still confused about why XTU doesn't work.

2. Maybe you should read the threads to find out. The BIOS has already been unlocked for you, all you would need to do is flash it for XMP support. It's got over 300+ downloads (For the GT780), but no one has confirmed it working with me yet (I assume it does or else a thousand new members would be saying it didn't work).

The only real overclocking that is possible is through the BCLK ( http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/615041-overclocking-cpu-16f2-barebone-success-bios.html). As I said in that thread, OC'ing through the BCLK is a dead-end. The max you could up it is around ~4.5 mhz [If your lucky, I could never break 4mhz] (equating to roughly a ~120-150mhz CPU OC, depends on the CPU), but it OC's your RAM too. Systems with all RAM slots populated (like mine, especially with mismatching pairs) experience way more stability issues than a system with one or two sticks in it. Also, people with PnP 1866mhz sticks might have stability issues running their sticks past 1900mhz and have to run them at 1600mhz base. Another point, also because we cannot 'officially' change our TPL/TRL limits/ratios, an overclock might have little effect if your CPU is already at its TDP limit, therefore it throttles itself, negating the effects of the OC. In the event something goes wrong and you have to RMA your machine, I highly doubt a reseller will honor your warranty as you are flashing a non-MSi approved BIOS. Notice: Your notebook does not have the BCLK unlocked yet; these are based on my experiences with the 16-F2.

3. If you ordered "Kingston HyperX PnP 1866mhz" then it WILL work @ 1866mhz. See my explanation to the above poster.

4. No, same as 3.

Quick question, why are you considering the GT780? It really seems like you're overpaying for what you need. Wouldn't a business-class notebook with workstation-class graphics be more useful to you / less expensive? Just a thought, otherwise hope I covered all your questions. Sorry if there's too much jargon in there, but if you need me to clarify I'll try my best.

 

Thanks for such a detailed explanation, Xonar. I will try your unlocked BIOS for my 780 once it gets here and give you some feedback.

To answer your question, I picked the GT780 for several reasons:

1) Even though my applications are for engineering and not gaming, there are some that require a reasonable amount of graphics processing horrsepower.

2) For overclocking, you can't beat the cooling solutions you'll find in gaming laptops. Although it now appears that my overclocking dreams are shattered.

3) I'm a laptop man, not a desktop man. I like the desktop-like features of gaming laptops, (big screen, fast processors, decent audio) and the 780 looked to be one of the better ones. Certainly for the price.

4) I enjoy a good game every now and again.

-Dano-

 

If you just ordered recently, perhaps you should get in touch with Xotic and see if they could bump down the CPU, if not they offer 15 days no-questions-asked full refund minus shipping. That's hefty savings for minimal gain. Hope you enjoy your GT780 when it gets here .

 

Yeah. That was me. And it really is great RAM. Faster timings than Hyper-X actually. It's just not PnP so you will need the modded BIOS. And, also, I have the barebone, technically not the 780...

On another note, I was trying to see how hot my videocard would get if I didn't use the turbo-cooling button. I was going to kill it if it hit 95 degrees (while running furmark). But as soon as it hit 95, the computer shut down and when I turned it over, smoke was coming out :/ I fried the GPU. Thankfully, MSI had me send in just the card for replacement. All I had to do was pay $8 for UPS to ship it. It arrived there on Thursday and they still haven't shipped out the new one. I'm impatient. How hard is it to put a new 570M in a box and ship it to me? Grr.

 

I knew you had the 17'' version couldn't remember which off the top of my head . You sent yours straight into MSi rather than through your reseller?