*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

GPU voltage is not adjustable. It has a mind of its own and pretty much does whatever it wants to thanks to the goons a NVIDIA.

It had a really weird issue that I believe (hope) is firmware. I never noticed it before because I always removed Windows Store filth from my Windows 10 ISO. I left Windows Store and XBOX app on the Creators Abortion mod so I could play Gears of War 4 and Gears of War Ultimate Edition, and only then did I discover the problem. It worked fine until I launched any kind of Windows 10 UWP trash apps and once I did the Start menu would be clear with no text or icons, right-click menus on the desktop were clear with no text. Most mouse clicks produced no action (would not launch desktop icons). Any Explorer windows were white with no icons or text and the drop-down menus on programs were clear with no text. If I would log-off and log-on everything would return to normal and stay normal until I launched Windows Store or any apps, then the problem would return.

I initially thought it was a bug with Creators Abortion, so I tested RS1 and Enterprise 2016 LTSB and they were the same. I moved the BPX from the DM3 to the TF5 and clean installed Windows and found it to be the same. I clean installed Windows to the 960 Pro (which had Windows 7 on it before) and Sandisk X400 and the problem does not exist.

The Tech Support guy at MyDigitalSSD thinks it is firmware, but they do not have flashable firmware to update the drive I purchased. He said the one they are exchanging to replace it has newer firmware. So, I hope he is right. I liked the BPX a lot until I discovered that issue. I am pretty sure I would still be oblivious to the problem were it not for leaving Windows Store and XBOX on the Creators Abortion ISO mod. Prior to that I had no problems at all with the BPX, but did not have any of the UWP cancer installed.

Edit: I will report back if the BPX replacement cures the problem, or whether it continues to be an unresolved issue.

 

Yes. The P775DM3 was gimped from the getgo with that unified heatsink plus the GTX 1080 in my unit was unable to go over 130+ on the core. I was on the loser end of the lottery on that GPU, so I sold it to someone that won't be pushing it like I wanted to. Overall, it is a good DTR but I wouldn't recommend it unless you're fine with stock performance or mild OC's (which is still better than the BGA "gamer" laptops). You've made the right decision with your EVOC 16L13.

If you want a number to aim for on your machine, http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11873926 (19,708). I am going to try pushing it again, I believe it can go over 20k but not quite where @Mr. Fox score is.

 

Thanks Fox, I actually bought those pads and planned on using them next time I took the GPU heatsink off but looks like it isn't worth the hassle to replace them unless necessary.

 

Yeah, they're good pads. Just hang onto them until you actually need to replace the pads and you'll be set.

 

That is one weird bug and I am actually very interested in how the firmware of the drive is causing it. Please keep me updated. I wonder if the OP portion of the drive is being used by Win10 somehow, which it should be invisible to the OS.

 

I will keep you posted. What is the OP portion of the drive? The over-provision area? That would be interesting. W10 has a reputation of breaching boundaries and touching things it is not supposed to, so that is possible. I still haven't forgiven them for creating a vulnerability that lead to corrupted LVDS notebook displays. EVGA Precision X got blamed for it, but I still believe Micro$loth's incompetence and indiscretion actually created the underlying scenario that caused problem. I also believe they sneak some cancer cells into NVRAM and perma-plant activation bugs in BIOS chips. They claim they don't do that, but I really do not believe they have a massive database for all computer fingerprints that have, or once had, Windows 10 installed. They almost have to be planting things locally that are persistent.

 

IN FACT, I think I know what triggered what I posted about below. I switched BIOS chips around on the Tornado F5. I had the chip with the latest mod Svet did for Eurocom. I removed it and put back the @Prema BIOS chip and less than 24 hours later that activation denial happened. This is with Windows 7 (not 10) but the machine was dual boot with W10. Now it is dual boot with Linux Mint (waiting for the BPX). So, yeah... they're messing with the BIOS and hiding their cancer cells in sacred/private places where they have no right to be going. Their treachery and dishonest voodoo stuff really makes me want to puke.

 

I have seen this happen with some cheap drives (I am all over anything memory related, slowly becoming my specialty) and I'm going to do more research on the Phison E7 controller used in this drive. It could very well be the firmware algorithms allowing the OS to write to an OP sector that is bad or Win10 fudged with something it shouldn't have.

 

Wouldn't it be interesting to find W10 sneaking stuff into that protected space on purpose? It certainly would come as no surprise. They behave as though they have a right to do whatever pleases them with the property of others.

 

If that is the case, there are going to be a lot of angry companies out there, forking over RMA replacements from Microsoft's overreach. An interesting note, some of the SSD's that use the Phison E7 controller, are marketed as non-op but they are over-provisioned. Strange.

 

Hi all, a friend directed me here to the attentions of @Mr. Fox and @Talon to hopefully get a quick fix for my brand spankin new (and otherwise awesome) Tornado F5.

I'm getting the "plugged in, not charging" for my 2 day old rig. I have managed to do some unplugging/replugging/rebooting (holding power for 30 seconds, etc.) and got it charging. Had to unplug the AC to **** to a different desk and now I'm back at square 1. Anyone know of any easy fixes, as I'm fairly confident it's a software issue and not a bad connection or battery (although that could be the case, I loathe the thought of the RMA process though).

Any thoughts or advice are greatly appreciated!

 

230W is minimum spec for normal use, but if you are planning any overclocking you should use 330W. 6700K can be pushed over 100W and 1070 / 1080 GPUs can be pushed to 150W.

 

Last week, I (re-)joined the Linux fold on the MSI 16L13 barebones, too.

Install Debian Linux 9.0:

• Used firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
  
• from: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/...ncluding-firmware/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/

Install Killer firmware:

• Killer Wireless-AC 1535 was detected by the built-in drivers but Debian 9.0 (Linux kernel 4.9.0-2-amd64) needed the updated firmware files before Killer would work.
  
• Get and run the package from terminal:
  $ wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-firmware/linux-firmware_1.164_all.deb
  $ sudo dpkg -i linux-firmware*.deb
  $ sudo modprobe -r ath10k_pci && sudo modprobe ath10k_pci
  
• Instructions on: http://www.killernetworking.com/driver-downloads/knowledge-base?view=topic&id=2 ; On the instructions web page, scroll to "Killer 1535/1525/1435 in Ubuntu" section, expand the section, then scroll to "Ubuntu 16.04"

 

Super! Welcome aboard.

 

Twas me. @Mr. Fox @Talon it sounds like he is having a hardware issue from what I described, but I wanted him to run throttlestop to see if it was noticing something. I still advise you do that.

 

What percentage of the battery does it start showing the "plugged in, not charging" status? 91 to 94% plus?

 

Wow! I wonder what can cause a difference of almost 20 degrees C. How were the GPU temperatures as stock?

 

Please submit Support Request to our Team and they will be happy to assist you https://web.eurocom.com/ec/supportr()ec
Thanks

 

Some laptops do this by design and it is to protect the battery from being overcharged and thus killing its lifespan in no time. Clevo calls it FlexiCharger and it has to be manually enabled in the BIOS. on my MSI GT73VR Titan Pro and previous Alienware 18 it was like this......

 

I think this is normal behavior as well. See what @Phoenix posted. Mine does this as well.

 

Just a quick tease... Finally getting some new replacement fans arriving from China. A Delta fan used in some large Asus DTRs is my new favorite. Crazy quiet at idle.

I'll make a new thread in a week or so showing some quieter replacement fans for the 16L13 and other MSI laptops... Or louder fans with better airflow if that's your thing.

Spoiler

 

I don't care for quiet. Get the air flowing through without asking too much from the 330 watt power supply and I am happy. Thanks for putting in the work.

 

What settings are you using to get a stable 4.8 GHz on your CPU bro?

 

I don't have it yet!!! I've been waiting for my build. HID claims stable 4.8 - 5.1 with their SL 7700k. You'll be the first to know when it lands. I'll be bugging you to set everything up.

 

Right on... we need the fans to create a tornado in the Tornado to keep it cool, and a little extra swooshing sounds from the fans is more than a fair trade for cooler temps.

 

If it tries to suck the desktop it's sitting on up into the chassis and I have to put a special HEPA filter to keep the debris out, I'll be satisfied...

Or if it levitates. Which would be a little more realistic.

 

Be my guest. Welcome to the EVOC gaming team bandwagon

 

I did not really do much testing at stock, as soon as I found out Cyberpower used the pre-applied heatsink thermal paste, the heatsinks got ripped off and repasted. I also think I have just got lucky with the CPU and GPU silicon (either that or the sensors are faulty!).
New GPU record is 68C, which I hit last night whilst playing Homefront but that was probably down to the fact I had forgotten to press the fan button on the FB4. Has anyone else played Homefront? The revolutionaries call the enemies 'Norks', which makes me snigger every time I hear it and that is most off-putting.

 

How are the temps? I'm thinking of doing a hack mod, water cooling it with an attached water pump & reservoir on the back of the screen. It will look ugly but hey, if it works I won't complain!

 

That looks amazingly cool, but I have to ask: Is there a reason you opted for bare copper instead of black anodized, which would increase the emissivity of the surface? Or were you deliberately trying to reduce emissivity of the heat pipes so the heat would all flow to the fan area and not emit back into the enclosure at large?

 

[HUMOR MODE] So, I found a great way to force a thermal shutdown of my EVOC. A few days ago, I was at our corporate data center working on a problem with our SAN. I set my laptop on top of a rack-mounted server, where there is a gap in our rack. But it was hot in there, circa 32C or more. And the next server above the gap was kind of in the way for me to see my screen without leaning over, which was painful on the back. So I slid the laptop forward and let it dangle over the edge a little.

Bad idea! In a few minutes, the laptop did a thermal shutdown. I realized that in overhanging the front edge, I had thwarted the goal of the rubber feet that....ahem....keep the bottom off of the desk so that....ahem....air can flow into the lower intake vents. I had basically reduced my airflow to zero. It was so noisy in the data center (I mean, there are literally thousands of cooling fans plus gigantic HVAC gear!), so I never heard the pitiful whine of my poor EVOC trying desperately to cool itself.

File this under: DOH!

 

I cannot claim it was deliberate because my heat sinks came from Eurocom with bare copper surfaces, but my preference is that for the reason mentioned above. I also agree the bare metal looks nicer than black finish. Black looks so ordinary, and the aesthetic value of the bare copper is also nice. In the grand scheme of things, I would expect the thermal difference would be so minuscule that it could be nearly impossible to measure.

 

I'm all about quiet as possible, if they swap in with zero issues call me interested if they are quiet

 

So I just suddenly get a blck screen of death. The screen just shut off itself but apps were still operating. I was playing games and suddenly it just blacked out. I rebooted and now it just wont start properly =\

Anyone got an idea what the problem might be and how to fix??

 

Why you got the black screen in the first place I don't know, but maybe the crash corrupted the OS and now it won't restart nor repair - have you got an image you can back up from (like with a program called Macrium Reflect for example)? I've had crashes & shutdowns when I was exploring the limits of overclocking, but I never had an example of OS corruption, it can happen though.

 

Interesting, my friend was doing homework, fell asleep for two hours and also noticed a black screen when he came back.

However, upon looking closely, it looks like the internal backlight is just off. The laptop display works fine until it boots into windows, which is when the backlit turns "off". He connected an external display and played a game fine, so it's not a gnu issue.

Fresh driver install didn't help either. Anyone else experience this? I'll probably take a look at it personally tomorrow.

 

Hey this just happened with me today while browsing the internet, the screen just went black like if the Nvidia driver was updating then it returned to normal. Maybe your case was more sever as you were playing games under heavy load. If you don't have a backup of your windows and you can't repair your windows then I only can say that all of it is gone unless there is another way that I don't know off of.

 

is there a z270 in this laptop?

 

I was wondering about this too....Optane works on Z270 only and doesn't work on Z170 AFAIK.

Edit: Oh I miss read the comment, no we have a Z170 in the Tornado F5/EVOC 16L.

 

thanks for your answer!
i'm searching infos because may be that coffee lake 6-core have a lga1151 socket. that cpu is tested with intel 200 series mobo

 

what about tornado f5 with cannon lake 6-core cpu?

 

Will the new F5/F7 Coffee Lake platform with 6-core CPUs have a new motherboard with the new Intel 300 series motherboard chipset, or will it still have the now 2 generations old Intel 100 series motherboard chipset?

 

Will the Tornado F5 be compatible with the Coffee lake 6-core CPUs? Also the thunderbolt 3 on this pc is 4 lanes right? (noob question but i didn't see it anywhere mentioned)

 

https://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-desktop-6-core-4-core-cpu-leaked/

" Are Intel Coffee Lake Processors Compatible With LGA 1151 Socket and 200-Series PCH?
This also brings us to the next interesting detail we are getting from this listing. The specific 6 core Coffee Lake part was tested on the Kaby Lake-S client system. Kaby Lake-S platform means that the chip was ran off a 200-series PCH based motherboard. If true, Coffee Lake would retain compatibility not only with the LGA 1151 socket but also currently available motherboards."

i'm reading about coffee lake and intel could release coffee lake in August.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...rnado-f7-with-6-core-coffee-lake-cpus.804068/

 

There have just been released new patches from the Redmond Hq. Maybe Micro$haft this time released a dirty Mickey?

 

This time? The entire W10 OS is a dirty Mickey, not to mention that it is also a Mickey Mouse OS, LOL.

 

Any having the black screen issue I posted about this awhile back. It's the latest Nvidia drivers coupled with the creators update. The screen is still on bubthe backlight is basically off. You need to use a flashlight pointed at the screen to read it and then uninstall the driver with DDU in safe mode. Then reinstall the older 378.78 or 378.92 which big work fine with the Creatoes Update.

 

You pointed my problem right ! Theres just no backlight and I can see with a flashlight, but the problem just won't solve. I tried to delete old driver and my screen is back. However, when I re installed the driver, my screen goes black again. I re-installed the 378.78 driver =( and I realise my old driver was the 378.92 Oh and forgot to mention, im not using creators update

 

Did you use DDU to completely remove all traces of NVidia drivers, like Talon said?

 

I used device manager to uninstall, does it make a difference? O-O