*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

I'm sure it does, in the release notes for NVidia drivers they even say themselves never to use Device Manager to uninstall their drivers - I guess it doesn't remove all the associated files. DDU will completely remove all traces - try it, it might solve your problem. (do it in safe mode like Talon said).

 

You need to use Display Driver Uninstaller, run it in safe mode, clean and restart and then install 378.78 or 378.92 and it should fix your problem.

 

Okay so I did what you guys told me but the problem still won't resolve. The problem now comes even earlier than before. I ran the driver.exe and right after the screen blinked 2 times and the backlight turned off. It's like once it detected the driver, it just shut off itself

 

There are also many dozens of worthless registry entries that get removed with DDU. I would also recommend using a @j95 driver mod instead of a standard GeForce driver package. Brother @j95 goes to great lengths to remove worthless trash that will give your laptop digital COPD. I have been using exclusively his GeForce driver mods for about 2 years and it is extremely rare that I have the drama with their craptastic drivers that so many complain about.

 

Can someone confirme me this. I thin my laptop's graphics card has some problem, reason is I made a clean install on my laptop and when I installed graphics driver, my laptop's black light will shut down and it'll be all black. I can't fix this in anyway...

 

Any ideas how to get RAM run on higher frequency ?There's no XMP option in my bios..and shipping my F5 back to Eurocom for unlocked BIOS is not an option for me.
Where else can i get unlocked Bios ? Prema ? Svet?

 

DDU + older driver fixed the issue thanks.

 

It's not your GPU ,it's the last two release of nVidia drivers. I've got the same problem...if your screen is still black , activate safe mode and uninstall nvidia drivers ,or you can just plug in external monitor and reinstall drivers back to 378.92 .

 

I tried that already. Safe mode can install my driver perfectly but when I boot back to normal mode, the screen stays black. I also reinstalled using the driver 378.92..

 

Yeah, the stock BIOS is truly pathetic. You basically can't do anything nice with it, including RAM adjustments. @Prema is not going to be providing a public BIOS mod. I think he is going to do one for HIDevolution (exclusively). So, reach out to Svet.

Here's an interesting video on the pursuit of higher RAM clock speeds.

 

Also got the black screen of death when Nvidia decided to auto update my drivers, even though I don't even have GE force Experience.. Interesting.
DDU plus older driver fixed, now I am wondering if it will somehow reinstall itself again.

I did notice that when the update happened according to device manager my screen was not recognized so it was defaulting to generic PNP which normally does not have issues but for some reason it was disabling the backlight.

 

It was N-Shaft as I guessed. Strange that I got lucky and I don't have the back light issue.

@Mr. Fox where I can grab that j95 N-Shaft driver?

 

Maybe NVIDIA has partnered up with Micro$haft again on another one of their laptop screen killing sprees, like what happened with LVDS panels a could of years ago that temporarily ruined the lives of so many Alienware and Clevo owners.

I am still rocking 375.63 drivers on the Tornado F5 and having zero problems with those drivers. Disable Windows Update Service and you won't have to worry about the digi-Nazi douche-bags screwing around with your drivers.

Here: https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...t-upgrades-driver-support-modded-inf/&page=67

Ask @j95 if he would be kind enough to include your laptop on future driver mods and maybe offer a donation for his generous work. (He has been doing these mods for every GeForce driver since early 2014 out of the kindness of his heart.) His driver mods are the best. I refuse to use stock GeForce notebook drivers anymore.

 

I think it has to do with the 120Hz panels.

 

Are the black screen of death you guys encountering are just really dark screen? It is like my screen went all dark but if I angle it, I can see the desktop but not enough to see my mouse.

How to enter safe mode? I tried shift + f8 and f4 but doesnt seem to work.

Edit: tried ddu+378.92 drivers and still doesn't work. Right now I am on safe mode without issues but the problem comes back once I go back to normal mode. Don't know what to do next now

 

Will do.

I got these incoming from HIDEVOLUTION.

Thanks to @Ted@HIDevolution and @Donald@HIDevolution for their awesome support. It was a pain to find these items locally.

Speaking of temperatures, I was playing Skyrim Special Edition yesterday, the GPU was maxed out to 100% and it got to a toasty 93c while the CPU was at 85c. GPU was hitting power limits. It was overclocked 200 core and 200 memory. I'm seriously considering doing a hybrid water cooling heat sink.

 

Use ddu in safe mode, but also uninstall GeForce experience, and wipe the GeForce experience cache with DDU.

Then restart and install a different driver. I went with the first driver from March. Can't remember version number right now.

 

And windows keeps auto updating my Nvidia even though my group policy is set to never update but this one just keeps pushing through no matter what.... Gonna try metered connection.

 

It might be covered by the group policy setting, but also check out Control Panel -> System -> Advanced System Settings -> Hardware -> Device Installation Settings.

 

This is also what is happening to me. DDU and 2 different drivers without choosing the GE Force and the 3D to install. Group policy and device installation settings are also configured to not update but still continues to do so.

Feeling tempted to get the @j95 mod but not sure if it works and totally don't know how to install it as well.

 

Do you guys get the black screen everytime windows decides to auto update? I'm guessing that windows update has something to do with this even when using older version of nvidia drivers. I tried many nvidia drivers but all turns my screen black.

 

If @Mr. Fox is recommending it, then I would imagine it's a solid build. He is critical of the software on his machines from what I've read.

 

Windows update is to blame, mine decided to go ahead and update my drivers yesterday on its own and I also got the damn black screen issue. I rolled back and disabled hardware drive updates.

 

I'm assuming you guys are on Windows 10? I have seen this issue before on laptops with integrated graphics and no discrete cards. Had some X1 Yogas at work that had auto updated and the intel driver that lenovo was pushing out was breaking the backlight and I had to roll back to older drivers, disable driver updates from windows updates, remove the lenovo update bloatware they put on the machines, and ontop of it it also broke the touch screen functions when this happened and needed to update the firmware on it. Windows 10 is a mess and companies/MS keep rolling out updates that completely break the functionality of the machines. The typical user doesn't know how to get into safe mode and completely remove their existing drivers and go back to older ones.

 

I use O&O ShutUp10 and ticked the option to disable automatic driver updates through Windows Updates and now Windows Updates never offers me driver updates.

 

Is it fixed for you? What version were you in before?

Mine was already disabled using the program you mentioned.

 

and it still didn't prevent the driver updates?

Can you try turning the switch off then back on again?

Also, if you have Windows 10 Pro then you can reinforce that rule via the Group Policy Editor > Administrative Templates > Windows Update > Do not offer driver updates through Windows updates (set it to enabled)

 

Tried and group policy editor didn't work as well. Tried DDU without any new nvidia installs and got the problem again. Now back in safe mode again from recovery flash drive. When I checked my system restore it downloaded all 3 nvidia drivers even though all driver updates were disabled already

 

On my Windows 10 Pro 64 system, the menu path is slightly different:

Group Policy Editor > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update > Do not offer driver updates ....

 

Tried all the tricks? Also How to Block an Specific Driver Update.

How to Stop Windows 10 From Automatically Updating Hardware Drivers

 

20 min in and so far not encountering the issue. Hopefully it stays like this.

What I did was block windows from updating my specific driver update which is Nvidia in this case. I followed what was written on this https://www.howtogeek.com/263851/ho...from-automatically-updating-specific-drivers/ and it seems to work. Note that if you do this, you cannot install anything Nvidia related until you unblock what was written in the guide.

Thanks @Papusan

+rep

@Phoenix

 

You're welcome and thanks
One of many reasons people should go with minimum Windoze Pro @Phoenix

 

My group policy was set to not allow any updates basically. It has been talked about online before that M$ doesn't care what these settings are and will still update when it wants to.

I used metered connection, use it on my tablet also because it is on a metered 4g connection 90% of the time. So far no issues.

Yeah sometimes the update would install within minutes of booting, other times as long as a couple hours. Annoying.

That may not be enough, that was disabled on mine also. It still updated.....

Had that, didn't matter unfortunately.

So far for me the best stopper for windows updates is metered connection.

 

Micro$haft new policy is that they can push Updates although you use metered connection if needed. They do everything to make this pastel colored tile Cartoon advertising channel inedible.

 

This is definitely tied to the 120Hz panel it seems. MS updated my driver last night as well. Seemed to install with no issues. It was a version iteration between the one I had installed and what appeared to be a new driver Nvidia released Tuesday.

I downloaded the newest one from Nvidia (sorry on my phone I don't recall what specific revision of builds) and that express installed with no issues.

Not sure why but I must be the only one on the planet that can express install their drivers with zero issues. Been doing it for years. Never used cleaners or ddu.

 

One of my friends says that Mic$h3ft is showing ADs in file explorer of windows, how is that possible??!!!

 

Old News Microsoft ads invade Windows 10's File Explorer Welcome to the *free* OS

"Welcome to the new world of Windows, where the operating system is built to serve you. Well, serve you ads."

 

That's kinda old news...first it was an Ad for OneDrive, later it will be flashing popup's that move around when you try to click the close box.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=microsoft+file+explorer+advertising

Wondered how Microsoft was going to get everyone to pay a monthly fee for using Windows? - quite simply - offer a monthly-fee version of Windows as Ad-free.

The "free" version of Windows will continue to be the Giant Mind-F* Edition

Spoiler: Mind-F* (in a good way) Movies...

...might as well get something positive out of this
What are the best mind f* films to watch?

 

I never knew that as I never came across it, is it because I have a full paid version of windows 10?

 

Your area or region may not be getting that "treatment" yet, or your updates haven't been tracking the front most updates - slow track?

Or you just didn't notice.

With all the ad's coming through browsers, maybe you just overlooked them.

The tools for blocking Windows 10 "bad manners" might have blocked them for a while too, until MS found another way to deliver them.

I haven't heard of the "paid" version getting any special treatment.

 

What is the difference between "paid" vs. Free Windoze X version?

 

That's what we are discussing, if it matters whether you paid for Windows 10, or got a free Windows 10 upgrade, or had an OEM version of Windows 10 included with your new computer.

I don't think there is any material difference, all can get installed by the same Windows 10 media, and the enabling codes all activate the same - there is no named distinction.

I'd name them Tragic Victim #1, Tragic Victim #2, and Tragic Victim #3, but that's just for convenience of identity at this point, in the end all Windows 10 users are Tragic Victim's.

Spoiler: Definition of Tragic Victim

"A tragic victim typically is someone who died due to murder, manslaughter or a tragic accident outside of their influence.
However in recent years many newsgroups have been using it to describe anyone whose life has been permanently set back by a tragic event whether it has happened to that person directly or someone they are closely tied to.
An example is how they would describe the victims that were staying in the Super Dome in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. Even though none of them were actually dead, all of them were touched by the tragedy of the hurricane in such a way that all of them had been permanently set back in some manner or another.
A current example of a Tragic Victim would be a Microsoft Windows 10 user."

 

I see.

@Phoenix set up my windows 10 when I got the Tornado and gave me something to curb the windows update, that is just as simple as a push of a button.

 

@Phoenix has a couple of good threads that cover what he recommends doing on different Windows versions.

I think he has a few things he does to disable Windows 10 annoyances. He may have it automated, or the tools he uses may automate the changes, but there are a bunch of things that need to be done to Windows 10 to make it livable, not just one.

Maybe get that list of stuff from @Phoenix and reapply it after each Windows 10 update - or maybe on a regular basis daily as I've heard some settings keep changing back to defaults due to the Microsoft background tasks that run every day, and some of the tools run daily or at boot up to switch the settings back regularly.

Those tools likely need updates after Windows 10 updates to readjust things again after MS moves the annoyances around a bit every time someone finds a work around to shut them off.

Then MS is constantly changing Windows - adding and removing features and functions, changing methods for running tasks specific to the annoyances to get around disable's implemented by users.

So you might be noticing @Phoenix 's tools / tweaks being undone by MS, and just need to update and reapply the tools.

 

I need to find those threads he created, including the BIOS settings. @Phoenix my bios was reset when I removed the CMOS battery, what are the settings you applied for me? I'm missing a few of them.

 

Here's a few of the OS threads @Phoenix started and/or helps out in:

NBR Windows 10 Clean Installation Guide
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nbr-windows-10-clean-installation-guide.781178/

Windows7/8 - Updates to hide to prevent Windows 10 Upgrade / Disable Telemetry
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-windows-10-upgrade-disable-telemetry.780476/

Windows 10 Tweaks and Fixes (Index post #1)
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-and-fixes-index-post-1.779394/#post-10507642

Phoenix Software Updates
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/phoenix-software-updates.794490/

Microsoft Creators Update, April 11 , 2017 Rollout
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...e-april-11-2017-rollout.803115/#post-10514490

NBR Windows 7 Clean Installation Guide
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nbr-windows-7-clean-installation-guide.781213/

 

@Papusan, I gotta hand it to you. Your colorful descriptions of the Evil Empire made me laugh on a day when I desperately needed a laugh.

 

For fun, here are two snapshots of my EVOC 16L-G-1080 in its native habitat, specifically our company's data center. My machine's name, by the way, is Marcus, named after the Babylon 5 character (he's a ranger -- powerful and highly mobile...get it?). My wife's beastly Linux laptop (a Clevo from System76) is named Delenn, from the same show and for the same reason except Delenn is female.

And yes, in case anyone is curious, that is in fact an IBM zPDT devlab-scale mainframe emulation system beneath it . Big iron mainframes are not what your grandfather told you any more -- they're seriously cool boxes, and those who love really rugged (uptime measured in decades) and well-engineered systems would actually appreciate the mainframe a lot. (And best of all, mainframes now run multiple Linux instances with heavily hardware-assisted virtualization.)

 

Yes I rolled back my driver and I'm good to go.

 

The other nice trade off is when blocking device driver updates in this fashion -- (GUID blacklist and HW ID blacklist) -- is that it will also prevent any driver updates GeForce Experience tries to do (if you are unfortunate enough to have GFE).

I find it is easy enough to temporarily remove the GPO setting, run "gpupdate /force" from an elevated command prompt, apply a manual driver update, then reapply steps 1 & 2.

That's why you should also blacklist "the GUID driver class for display drivers" as well as the blacklist "the HW ID for your GPU" using the group policy editor, using the link @ Papusan provided. These settings knee cap it (short of installing something other than Win10). IME, nothing else prevented nvidia driver updates 100% of the time.

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