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nope, not possible...

also, if theres enough space around the M.2 connectors on the mobo, u could also get a msata to M.2 adaptor for the SSDs

 

Finance guy?

PS: Real men don't enable integrated GPUs

 

1- It's not possible to enable the iGPU in a laptop with a G-Sync screen, because G-Sync needs the screen to be hard wired to the dedicated GPU.

2- Finance guy? I assume you work 6-8 hours a day and you need an all-day battery life laptop, which is exactly my case... Well, even with the dGPU completely disabled, I doubt the battery in the F5 will even last more than 4 hours, and this provided you do almost nothing.

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no need to troll, people have valid reasons for dGPU and iGPU's and BGA..etc..

but yeah the F5 is not gonna get any awards for battery life, though I think it lasts a solid hour doing anything on battery

 

Learn how to take a joke brah

 

...To clarify, this is a motherboard issue, then?

(That is, even if you order a non-gsync screen, it won't work.)

Edit: ~2 hours of 'light' usage (various modelling tools) is what I'm looking for. No heavy GPU usage.

 

It's not a MB issue!!!
Clevo + the MSI barbones with LGA haven't connected the unwanted BGA feature iGPU. And iGPU steal headroom for maxed OC. See also this INFO.
Everyone should be happy iGPU is removed. Long battery life in proper power houses like the socket monsters isn't possible due LGA pull more power!! Remember Intel's HEDT processors as well haven't iGPU. Same for the best from AMD. I'm sure you now know why

 

Having an iGPU doesn't "steal headroom for max OC's". Perhaps if you are under a strict package-power limit (which is circumvented by Premamod entirely) it could help, but aside from that very specific scenario, an iGPU being enabled/disabled should have zero impact on overclocking headroom. That being said, having your iGPU enabled does dedicate 2mb of your L3 cache to the iGPU, which might be detrimental to your benching scores.

Also, it is a "motherboard issue" in the technical sense that they did not bother with the required traces to wire the iGPU to the eDP port. It's wired only to the MXM module, with no switching mechanism on site to switch between the two. I should also point out that iGPU's are not "unwanted BGA features". They serve a great diagnostic purpose if your dGPU happens to go the way of the dodo, so you can see whether or not it's a GPU issue. We still use our iGPUs on our high-end desktops for this very reason. There are also others that use theirs for quicksync, and (with a Z270 board and 7700k) some gimmicky 4k Netflix DRM.

 

I hear you call it a feature. But not everyone is as agreed as yoo
1) Not everyone had or has access to Prema firmware(package-power limit as well as other missing features). I expect more machines is without mod firmvare than the opposite.
2) I have always gone for laptop models without iGPU connected. I didn't buy it for the useless 3D functionality, but about getting rid of iGPU. Others have-wish other choices of course
3) Has always had access to multiple machines and graphics cards. Hence, really no need for the integrated graphics. And the battery life isn't very huge either on machines like this. For me, I'm very happy I don't have it.

When iGPU is enabled, you have to set some system memory to it, and it will create more heat for the CPU. The fully package is now being used, so expect a bit more heat which could hamper your max overclock. All depends if you are near the temp limit(if you end up temp limited which could reduce your maximum OC). Some want max out of the pure cores and iGP come second or last.

 

To me, the iGPU is only beneficial when the machine has multi-usage cases, which of course, requires a huge battery and respectable battery run times. If you purchase a machine knowing it's going to be plugged in at home most of the time, then the iGPU will be nothing but a hassle, adding more heat to the CPU and reducing the effective L cache. Of course, it could serve as an emergency replacement or a benchmark measure should the dGPU break. But really, dGPUs rarely break when used properly.

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Yes, "when the iGPU is enabled" are the key words here. You can still have it wired to your display without it being enabled at all times, though I believe in order to have the seamless "Optimus" support, it has to always be on. I don't see why they couldn't have some sort of context switching that would allow you to turn it on/off in BIOS, or with a physical switch of some sort, but sadly, laptops are complicated in that regard.

Also, you did not hear me call it a feature, because nowhere in my post did I use that word in that regard. You used the word first, in reference to it being a "BGA feature". I simply said it wasn't true. It's built into your CPU regardless of whether or not it's BGA. I called it a diagnostic tool. Just because you carry multiple GPU's, does not mean everyone else does, or that it's any less valuable as a tool for a diagnostic purpose. For all you know, your slot could also be defective and without an iGPU, you would have no way to rule that out. My point was relatively simple. iGPU's are not worthless on gaming machines, if we have full control over when we want to use them. Until we get that control, dGPU only setups are the only logical solution for "gaming" laptops.

As a side note: even with iGPU enabled and a package power limit set, you can still undervolt the graphics to maintain headroom for overclocking. Without any 3d workloads being active on the iGPU, it certainly won't be creating much, if any heat to negatively impact CPU overclocking. You can also uninstall Intel's thermal frameworks to bypass the CPU short-burst power limits if you absolutely needed that tiny bit of headroom. I've tested this with my desktop 6700k, and I certainly didn't see any gains either way with iGPU enabled or disabled, other than the aforementioned change in cache size impacting synthetic benches ever so slightly. I imagine the change would be more drastic on lower end SKU's, such as the i3 and i5, which are already limited on L3 cache anyways compared to the i7. Would depend entirely on cache miss-rates/evictions at that point.

 

It was a bit on the tip. Not intended as you portray it. Sorry if this was seen like this What I want to say is that not everyone likes this so called *feature* from Intel. And yeah, ODM cut cost where they find it(like no switching that would allow you to turn it on/off in BIOS or on the keyboard). Again sorry if you took it wrong.

 

I am not offended by your words, and I certainly appreciate you helping people with their questions. I am just trying to make sure both sides are represented. Playing the devils advocate if you will, lol. To me personally, I don't need an iGPU, and I despise Nvidia's Optimus with a passion, but I certainly understand why people would want it, even on a premium gaming laptop. I am always on the side of "Give the end-user as many features/tools as possible, and give them absolute control over them". If they did give us an iGPU, with complete total control as to how it's used, I see that as being better than not having one at all. At the end of the day, it would be there if we needed it, and wouldn't get in our way for when we don't need it.

 

It does have it's place, my wife care free uses it all day everyday for gaming on a thin laptop book she can bring everywhere,and it works great !

 

hey fun fact, MachoMan Randy Savage was a real geek, and loved video games !

 

FWIW, my system is running at 4.8 GHz and 1.140 V static, system defaults for cache voltage. It's very stable for me, but YMMV because every system is a little different.

 

I've had great results there and have dropped cache voltage to see if I could sustain slightly better temps.

 

Anyone with the 4K panel notice that the default set of resolutions is extremely strange? Like 1920x1200 and a bunch of 4:3 resolutions. I had to add some custom resolutions just to add a few common 16:9 choices. Thought it was extremely strange. Not a big deal really as I run 4K nearly all the time, but some OLD OLD games play nicer at some scaled resolutions.

Again nothing that's a huge issue that can't be easily fixed, just thought it was odd that the other resolutions in the default choices aside from 4K are pretty much useless.

 

What does that mean specifically?

The post you linked to by @Mr Fox says that it's a Bios editing matter.

 

Hi guys, recently i started using external monitor via hdmi cable on my tornado. It was working fine but yesterday when I power up my laptop without external monitor, the screen went very dimmed after passing bios logo. The only way i can revive it is to plug my hdmi external monitor back and press windows key+p few times and then the laptop screen went back on like normal again. I thought it was because my main display was set wrong but all my display settings are correct in windows.
Other thing i found is that when i press windows key+p to disconnect my hdmi external monitor, it only disconnect it for 10 secs, and then it went back on again by itself.
Anyone had similar issue and know the fix? Thanks!

 

The U3 Turbo Nutter Beast is built...

 

Do you have the 1080p 120 Hz panel? If so, roll back your display driver to 378.92 or older. That may help. Eurocom should offer a more permanent fix if you contact them. My understanding is they now have this issue sorted working with the latest drivers... This has been an ongoing issue with NVidia.

 

Thanks! Ya mine is a AUO B156HTN05 120hz panel. I'll try to roll back my driver when I get home and see it helps. I didn't have this issue for quiet long time until yesterday...maybe windows 10 updated my display driver somehow?

 

Hey, low power seemed alright, high power was nutty! What kind of temperature reduction do you see on none / low / high?

 

Just as an aside, don't "rollback" the NVidia driver using the Rollback feature in Device Manager - NVidia expressly say not to use that feature. You might mean "rollback" in another meaning though.

 

Yeah, I didn't intend to imply using a specific method, only that the driver should be set back to a previous version. Thanks for clarifying.

 

Use DDU just to be safe.

 

thought to share this :


While creating profiles as I slowly begin undervolting and testing settings... the more I undervolted, the better the results AND the score, and this is on a silent option for the fans (goes like 60% max at 80C)

This is so stupid, and is counter intuitive.

Can someone explain to me why this happens on the F5, lol.

started at 1.2V with an offset of -125, now less than that by one click on BOTH each time. like offset now is -185 and vcore at 1.17 I think, and this time I got 1444 as the score.

Kind of odd.


OR - is this the Grizzly paste curing ? Are temps affecting performance ?


Ran it again to take better picture...

BTW this is not a crazy super bench score or anything, this is a cheap fix for a heatsink that was not making proper contact and had to be shimmed (which while being better than not being shimmed, is still a few degree's C worse than if it was perfect and didn't have a shim.

As you can see Shim and precautions for the LM under it :

 

Its affecting many people with the 120Hz panels actually, not just this laptop, many laptops.

 

Thanks for the replies! How to do it properly to "rollback" the driver? I'm new to this.


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I just let the NVidia installer remove the previous driver by selecting "Custom" then "Clean install" options during the installation options. So, just double clicking on the NVidia downloaded driver & choosing those options I just mentioned. If you're having driver issues still after doing that then I use a free program called DDU to remove all previous traces of NVidia drivers and then clean install the NVidia driver of my choice.

 

Has anyone tried installing and running Windows 7 on this machine, and if so is there anything special you needed to do for drivers or are there any things/features missing if you try to use 7 rather than 10? Chances are I will go with 10 but I'm curious if 7 is even really an option if I want to try and install that.

Also, I don't like Nvidia Geforce and have always not installed it however Shadowplay is kind of intriguing to me for the fact you can go back 20 minutes or so if something cool happened you wanted to record rather than recording 24/7 with something like Fraps. Are there any better solutions to something like this (a replay feature to record a clip from 5-20 minutes ago?) from another company, or is there a way to only install Shadowplay and leave the rest of Geforce Experience off my PC?

 

You can install windows 7 using this : https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/25476/Windows-7-USB-3-0-Creator-Utility on your boot install USB key.
If you are going to use nvme drives you will need to download hotfixes from microsoft : KB2990941-v3 and KB3087873-v2 and insert them on your boot install USB key. There are different methods to do this but the easiest is with NTLite I think.

 

@woodzstack did you ever get that paste from newegg to test? (was curious how it compared to Kyronaut).

 

Two U3 Extreme versions! At least yours doesn't require an actual PSU. I am using mine with a 700W PSU. I'll show more of my U3E soon.

 

It works!!! Driver rolled back to 378.92. Thanks guys. Now i'm debating if i should plug my external monitor back on again.....

 

I had the same issue as you. I have since stopped Windows from updating that driver and have connected external monitors without any fuss. I think you are solid. Once again, I would contact Eurocom, because, allegedly, they have a fix for that. I believe they actually have brightness controls working properly as well.

 

I've seen that with couple of really old games, and wondered why. In one case, the game allows 3840x2160 but not 1920x1080, substituting 1920x1200 instead. I'm not sure where games "learn" those default resolutions, as I'm relatively new to Windows.

I will say, Oblivion at 4K is pretty damned cool!

 

I was talking about the desktop resolutions. They default to some odd choices.

 

Yup, got it tonight !


Only issue now is I am out of Grizzly Kryonout ! Last few laptops used it up.

 

Can you still test it if it's not too much trouble?

 

I just looked at the menu on mine, and you're right. I never considered running the desktop at non-native, but 1920x1200 is the closest to an integral submultiple.

 

What about drivers for the actual laptop vs the nvme drivers needed to install the OS? I guess I'm more worried about finding correct drivers for everything since everything seems to be being made for Windows 10 now, and potential missing features from drivers/software not supporting 7?

 

I have all the drivers for windows 7 installed perfectly and made for windows 7. You can find some of them on intel website others on realtek for sound and card reader etc... Nothing is missing on Device Manager and everything is working as it should. Easy way to do things is look at Eurocom website for windows 7 drivers and search for the updated versions for windows 7 on your own.
For example look at the readme files then go to manufacturer websites.

1. Chipset : https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/20775/Intel-Chipset-Device-Software-INF-Update-Utility- choose 2nd download
2. Audio : http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads...=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false choose 64bits
3. LAN : http://www.killernetworking.com/driver-downloads/item/killer-drivers-inf recommended if you don't want or need killer suite bloatware https://www.drivereasy.com/knowledge/2-ways-to-install-a-driver-with-no-executable-exe-file/
4. Card Reader : http://www.realtek.com.tw/Downloads...=25&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
5. Wireless / Bluetooth depending on your config
6. Intel Management Engine on Eurocom : http://www.eurocom.com/ec/drivers(384)TornadoF5
7. Touchpad : https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GT62VR-6RE-Dominator-Pro.html#down-driver&Win10 64 for the most up to date synaptics driver. It's for the gt62vr but it's the same laptop same touchpad with soldered processor from MSI. It also says win 10 on download page but the touchpad driver is for W7, W8, W10. If you want your mouse to deactivate touchpad when plugged in modifiy the registry like this :
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Synaptics\SynTPEnh]
"DisableIntPDFeature"=dword:00000033
then enable the new setting under Device Settings Tab in your synaptics driver.

 

It's also 16:10 , which is a typical aspect ratio (Apple is popular for it), but this 4K panel is 16:9. And what's up with all those 4:3 choices. It makes zero sense.

There's only two other 16:9 aspect ratio correct resolutions in the default list, 1280x720 and 1366x768 (lets not get into the history of the latter in regards to 1mpix and just let it ride) Those resolutions are largely useless..

So we have a bunch of 16:10 and 4:3 resolutions, two useless 16:9 resolutions.

And last but not least, 1600x1024? Really? No one uses that outside of Apple's old cinema display.

I was able to add in the missing resolutions from 1080p up to 4K, I just find it extremely odd that they aren't there by default.

 

I need something relatively close to test it too, so it's best I wait `1-2 days(max) for my restock on Grizzly stuff to come in.

 

WOW Tornado F7 with coffee lake cpu!!! I will be getting this one

 

It should be great but by the time it comes out (Q1 2018), Clevo will have their answer.

 

Clevo or MSI barebones, I really like these two companies (head on with their high end gaming laptops).. Other competitors seems to be trash for me as these two have flexibility in upgrading your components especially the GPU and CPU, oh and by the way there's an option that you can also plug a 750 watts ac adapter with these two laptops. TWO THUMBS up again...A big APPLAUSE for these two companies

 

it will be a Eurocom Exclusive or so I was told, but other resellers of Eurocom's might have it too. However, I wonder if this is simply not true, and if Clevo did it directly, which would mean other companies have it possibly, like oversea's and stuff