*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

Keep in mind that using the NVCP to add custom resolutions doesn't always play nice with some games, because they are not EDID overrides; rather the NVCP creates GPU scaled resolutions.
For example, on a 120hz laptop that does not have 60hz settings in the EDID. Games like Dark Souls (1) will crash on load. Attempting to add 60hz through the NVCP itself will either crash on load, or completely lock up the laptop. But using ToastyX CRU to add 60hz will work perfectly (as long as you go into dark souls and reset the configuration if you were using an old configuration before).

 

Thanks for sharing that... it's not mentioned often enough, as any task that takes one's frustration and temper out for a spin can have work and family relationship ramifications as well.

It's much better to ***** about how you miss your laptop while it's out on RMA - and find "more fun" things to do while you wait - than have frustrations that need venting around work and family members.

 

I would definitely side with this advice on gaining perspective. We've all been there I'm sure.

 

Thanks for your reply. I have KLM manager installed and SCM. The original versions that shipped with the laptop. The thing is other FN+keys work such as volume, camera, turn off screen etc. Just not the FN+F3. I tried seeing if there were any updates to the synaptics driver but nothing. It's just annoying to type sometimes and your hand moves the cursor by accident.

 

My secret is to have a gaming tower hooked up to the LCD TV in the living room. When I'm mad at the world, I don't yell at my wife. I boot up Skyrim and throw down a few fireball spells on some hapless draugers. Remember, "F is for Fireball!" Instead of being the recipient of my frustration, she's my cheerleading section as I kill monsters and loot them for their experience points. "Hey, look at all the XPs inside the body of this drauger! I guess he doesn't need those any more, so I'll take them. Waste not, want not."

 

I have the Synaptics driver version 7.5. I did notice that in the Control Panel settings for the mouse, there is an option to disable the touchpad globally. Go into the mouse settings, and look for the tab with the red Synaptics logo on it. The setting you want is there. You might also want to check that you have SCM loaded and running. I don't see anything else on my machine that appears relevant, so I don't know what else to advise you to check, sorry.

FWIW, after tweaking some settings on mine, I finally have two-finger scrolling working halfway decently. The defaults were really awful for me (YMMV, because such things are intrinsically subjective). I love this machine overall, but I'm really glad that I'm not a person who relies on the touchpad normally. It's mediocre at best, and downright awful compared to what I had on the Macbook Pro. Not a big issue for me, as 99% of the time I'm using an external USB mouse.

 

I tried re-installing the synaptics driver and SCM software but no luck. I just disable it in Control Settings like you described. Would have been more practical to just disable with a hotkey. Mine came with the unlocked BIOS from Eurocom and I looked through those settings to see if anything there was interfering but nothing. Thanks for your help.

 

Hi guys, I was thinking of getting the EVOC 16l-1080 with a i7-7700k and a GTX 1080 from HiDevolution to replace my current machine, a Clevo P650HS with i7-7700hq and GTX 1070.

The Clevo can get a bit too hot for my liking when stressed (CPU 85-89 C, GPU 77-87 C, no undervolt, room temperature at 25-28 C), and the heat can be felt through the keyboard which is a bit annoying. I would also need a more powerful CPU, as the i7 7700hq isn't as fast as I'd like. It's a pretty good laptop otherwise!

I understand that the 16l-1080 has a more powerful GPU and CPU in it, but I'm actually fine running it without any overclock, and on the 120hz 1080p screen only. Do you think it could max out most modern AAA games under the Clevo's temps?

HiDevolution offers delids on CPUs as standard, otherwise I'm not too comfortable phhysically modding the laptop myself, I'm kind of a noob at this haha.

I'm a new member to the forum, so I apologise if this counts as changing the topic. Thanks!

 

My laptop should finally be here early next week I can't wait for it. I had a quick question about gsync and the 120hz screens. Does gsybc actually work with them? I thought I read something about it not working or being disabled on the 120hz 15" screens, am I missing remembering something?

 

EDIT: Actually, I misspoke. My wife's F5 does NOT have 120hz, just 60hz one. Sorry for the confusion

To clarify, I was confusing it with the Asus laptop we purchased before the F5, it came with 120hz panel with G-SYNC and it was absolutely fantastic.

Glad you are finally getting your laptop though! Hope you love it!

 

Hey there, welcome to the community! Glad to hear you are interested in this awesome laptop and I'll see if I can answer some of your questions as best I can.

If you aren't going for 4K panel, this laptop with 7700K + GTX 1080 will absolutely destroy any AAA games you throw at it at 1080p resolution. Delid is a must for 7700K or you will have some serious problems keeping the CPU temp down to reasonable levels, so I'd say it is mandatory. In my observation, the temp doesn't rise much from going stock clock to 4.5~4.7GHz, so you really have nothing to lose by not OCing it. As for the GPU temp, I can't fully vouch for it since I have a 4K panel but from my testing, running games at 1080p resolution doesn't seem to push the GPU temp high at all (For example, normal Firestrike stress test raises GPU temp to around 70C).

I highly recommend purchasing it through HIDevolution, they will honor their warranty even if you take apart the entire laptop (as long as you don't break anything). Also, you can have peace of mind knowing we can help with anything you need to know about this laptop, we run a tight ship here in this community and love to help any way we can.

Lastly, there are mods that can be performed to further bring down the CPU/GPU temps, which is extensively documented in this thread.

So if you ask me, go for it brother. It is an amazing piece of technology and with Prima BIOS right around the corner, it is HOT right now.

EDIT: Go back to page 653 if you are interested in what sort of temperature you can expect for CPU (The GPU temp won't apply for you since you are looking for 1080p panel). Do note CPU temp during gaming is WAY lower than what you will see from Cinebench, so do not be alarmed. Check out the Firestrike Ultra stress test results and look at how low CPU temps were throughout the GPU testing for better understanding of true CPU temp during gaming.

In fact, if you haven't already, I recommend you reading through the wealth of knowledge contained in this thread.

 

@alaskajoel

Hey buddy, looks like Aavid finally shipped out four replacement fans today. I should have them in hand soon, so let me know if you still need a pair.

 

This book can get warm. I'd recommend HID as delid and TIM is mandatory. This laptop is incredible. You have to consider, however, this is the only 15 inch chassis with these components. Running any demanding tasks, I would recommend manually maxing the fans. A laptop cooler and an undervolt will help considerably. I would also recommend looking into modifying the bottom panel to increase airflow. @Mr. Fox has some excellent videos in YouTube.

The 120 Hz panel doesn't have Gsync at all. It hasn't been certified by Nvidia.

 

It's weird because I thought this exact panel # was being sold and works as a G-Sync screen in other laptops, maybe they have a different version? Either way I think the issue is that Nvidia being the greedy assholes they are require the screen ID be in the BIOS, G-Sync be in the BIOS, G-Sync vBIOS, and the GPU is a G-Sync chip. If all of those aren't met, G-Sync will not display itself as an option which is ridiculous. There is zero reason why any laptop with a G-Sync ready GPU shouldn't be able to purchase a G-Sync certified screen and get it working just like on desktops.

 

I guess this is where my confusion comes in. The display seems to be advertised and sold as a Gsync screen on all of the vendors websites and I've seen people say it is Gsync but others say it does not work or it's disabled. Very confusing. Gsyncs was not the reason I wanted this screen, 120hz was, but I am confused about what exactly is going on and why the screen is advertised as gsync (or I thought it was before but does not seem to be now, maybe I'm just an idiot and thought I used to see it advertised as 120hz gsync.) if it's not.

 

The 17 inch 120 Hz panel is Gsync. The 1440p 120 Hz is as well. I've not seen this 15 inch panel certified for Gsync.

 

Which vendor is advertising it like that?

 

No one is, but I had thought when I was ordering my laptop and looking into it months ago that it was advertised as Gsync.

I even went back through my email to check and in Feb when I started emailing Donald asking some questions about this laptop and the Clevo 15in DTR, I am almost 100% positive the screen was being advertised as Gsync everywhere. I had asked Donald "I was also curious if it was possible to disable the GSYNC on the 120hz monitors or is it always on?" and he had replied to me that "It can be disabled." so...I feel like I am not making things up and at a point it was being talked about and or advertised as Gsync. Again, really not a big deal to me as I bought it specifically for 120hz and had asked about disabling it because I may have decided to turn it off, but I would have liked to at least have it as an option or be able to test it and see what the hype may be about. Going back now 4 months later and looking at all the vendors it is definitely not advertised as Gsync but I swear at one point it was, otherwise I would not have been asking Donald those questions and he had even told me it was something that could be disabled on the 120hz screen.

 

The reason I asked is so I can contact those vendors and let them know to straighten their crap out. I was also under the impression the 120hz panel comes with GSYNC, since there are other laptops that does have it.

That's going to be a tough call. 120hz panel is nice, but GSYNC is absolutely fantastic from my observation. I'd hate to have to pick between the two.

EDIT: Just curious, is there a reason why you'd want to disable GSYNC, outside of benchmark purposes?

 

Alright thank you! Does the keyboard for this laptop get warm as well? It can be quite annoying playing games when it heats up.

 

Glad to be of service. The keyboard stays cool for me and only time I noticed any heat was when PCH temperature rose to above 70C due to OCing issue (Located on the right side of the trackpad). Other than that, no issue with uncomfortable heat while playing games at all, the heatsink is located all the way to the rear, so doesn't really effect the area we normally touch.

 

I have no experience with it but with the way vsync works I don't have high hopes for it and am afraid it's just a marketing gimmick despite users praising it as well. I have a 144hz screen which I am more than happy with and feels like more than enough of an improvement over a normal monitor so personally I feel like as long as I have a computer good enough to run my games 100+fps to benefit from the refresh rate I shouldn't need gsync. I thought I had read of it doing some weird things in certain situations which is why I was thinking I would just disable it and use the refresh rate unless I wanted to try it or felt like it made a difference.

I also feel like I can't just be imaging that I saw it, otherwise I can't imagine why I would have sent Donald an email about it unless I had seen it advertised as such. I swear I thought HID and Eurocom both had it advertised as Gsync back in Feburary or earlier when I initially started looking at going with this laptop but I know it does not now. I just know I had to have gotten that information from somewhere at some point (whether or not it was wrong).

 

Hello there,

I received my F5 few days ago which is wonderful BUT the fans are making some weird engine rattling noise! This can be heard from 10% to max. Has anyone else had problems like this? Would be nice to hear some similarly recorded references.

Here is what I tried:

Took them out and spun them with canned air, this did not give any sound, but not sure if I got enough revs with that. I tried to put pressure in different spots of the fans with pads but with no luck. It seems that the problem is in the the motor or the bearings. I would like to power them outside of the laptop on their own but don't really have any ways to do that.

CPU seems to have louder and higher pitched rattle which is more noticeable.

Here are some tests with only one fan spinning at a time, my mic is quite bad so you might have to put some volume.

GPU from idle to max, mic above keyboard:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B61PUD1nXGr7X2l0RGhUMkdXUTg/view?usp=sharing

CPU from idle to max, mic above keyboard:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B61PUD1nXGr7Q29GMHZKTEkzTm8/view?usp=sharing

GPU 2k rpm, back lid open mic fairly close to the fan:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B61PUD1nXGr7RGFFZmc0UF9ZRFU/view?usp=sharing

CPU 2k rpm, back lid open mic fairly close to the fan (quite a bit worse than GPU):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B61PUD1nXGr7U0toWUtNMXpRbkU/view?usp=sharing

 

Eurocom was going to try to get GSync working on the 120Hz panel, along with brightness control. You're not imagining anything. At one point, Eurocom was advertising it with the GSync functionality but alas, no one could get it working outside of paying a ransom to Nvidia. If you really want GSync, go with the 60Hz panel. I am not sure if brightness control was fixed for the 120Hz panel.

 

Brightness controls are now functional but it requires you to send your laptop to Eurocom to have it flashed with a special BIOS. GSync is a no go and will never be added according to their YouTube comments.

 

You are not imagining things. It was originally advertised as supporting G-Sync...but unfortunately it never has, and may never. MSI and NVIDIA have yet to figure out how to make it work with the 120Hz screen.

 

@Donald@HIDevolution any word or eta on the bottom panels?

 

Hello, hoping to join you in here soon, just ordered my beast from @woodzstack
i7 7700K, GTX 1070 (I'm not interested in VR at this stage), 32GB Kingston HyperX, Samsung Evo 960 500GB NVME, 2TB HDD, Win 10 Pro

I eventually went for the FHD 60Hz IPS panel with GSync. I don't really do heavy gaming but might in future. But I do take a lot of photos and even though I don't do editing the color reproduction is supposed to be better on IPS. Would be amazing if there is ever a 120Hz IPS released in the future?

My last laptop purchase was a Dell M6600 which has lasted a long time (still typing on it now) but is being sent into retirement following graphics card failure, so I'm used to some bulk and using 1080p on a 17.3" screen so the 15.6" panel will hopefully be a considerable upgrade to what I'm used to.

Hoping to boot into some Linux flavours as well, so hopefully there won't be many driver issues (went for Intel 8265 as I can see it should be supported in the Linux kernel).

Was originally looking at Clevo's (especially the P750DM2-G) but Phoenix's thread about the keyboard totally put me off!

I can't wait

 

Such a shame that Eurocom is still withholding BIOSes for no reason.. It's pretty hard to mess up a BIOS flash.. And it's also quite easy to dump BIOSes these days. I guess they don't want their BIOses shared freely :/

I still have my F5 but it's been collecting dust since I realized Eurocom is forcing people to buy entirely new F5s if you want to upgrade the GPU, etc.. I can't even get a 7700K bios if I wanted one (not easily anyways).

I'll probably be selling this off soon.

 

Asus is using a 15" IPS 1080p 120hz panel now vs the TN one we've been discussing a long while now.. I wonder how that fares in the F5.

 

yeah that is true, and they are technically still working on it.

 

Yup, those fans sound different then they should, I assume they sound in the recording the way they do when you use it, but what I'm hearing is some sort of modulation on them.

I wonder if it's a CC issue, from being reinstalled by windows.

 

Thanks for the information so far everyone! Just a question about GPU temps in general:

1. If I have a GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 running the same game at the same settings, the GTX 1080 will be hotter as it's a more powerful card?
2. Or is the GPU temp based on its % usage, and as the GTX 1080 is more capable, it uses less of its capacity for the same task as the GTX 1070, therefore running cooler than the GTX 1070 at the same settings?

Either way, if the 16l-1080 with a gtx 1080 runs cooler than my current P650HS-G with a GTX 1070 (maybe due to a better cooling design), I'll go for it!

 

I'm not happy with it either.I can't send laptop back because i'm using it for work and i don't want it to get damaged in transport .
Does anyone knows how's Svet bios ? Is it worth it ?

 

Yes, SVET's BIOS are great. Be forewarned, SVET unlocks everything in the BIOS and I do not think his BIOS fix the brightness controls on the 120Hz panel.

 

I have it and it is perfectly fine. I am able to overclock and undervolt along with brightness controls for the 120hz panel.

 

Interesting. I guess the newer BIOS allow it. I'm still on an older BIOS version.

 

Thanks guys ! I might try it out !
How do i reach him ? MSI forum?

What's going on with nVidia drivers lately ? I've tried the most recent ones and it's still not working so i had to roll back to last stable drivers (378.92) .
Does Svet bios fixes gpu drivers updates or that's just 120hz panel issue?

 

yeah its true, but I do like his work !

 

MSI forum, yes.

 

Maybe 5C hotter on the 1080N from my experience, the heatsink is better for the 1080m then the 1070N, its not a "shared" design.

 

No, they have not arrived yet. I will make a post in this thread as soon as they come in.

 

Late August/September. The prototype has been made and is being mass produced, and should follow up on a F7 in the series as a CFL refresh as well.
That was the latest word, from the people directly supplying them, and designing them.

Unless of course, the panels for HIDevolution are not the same ones being designed for the F5 from Eurocom, whatever anyone else has going on I do not know or speak for them, I'm just generalising and assuming (based on no evidence, just speculation) the bottom panels HID will use will be from us (Clevo/Eurocom not me personally) and be the same ones. So if thats true, then we should all see them end of summer if I had to speculate.

Takes time to have these made, or so that is the story being shared, there were some vague pics but not sure if they were shared by anyone, and I asked if I could share them but have not gotten a reply referencing it, might not even be the final design either, since its been awhile.

 

So apparently Eurocom is able to unlock bios on F5 remotely now.
Just heard it from Svet.

 

Hello,

Since in this thread is done more modding, i have an
urgent question.

Im modding two desktoo fans into my GT62VR but i need
a little help with wiring.

The AAVID fans seems to be very similar und ive seen they
got the same wire colors.

ON the AAVID it is like: yellow, black, blue, red
Can anyone tell me for sure what is 12v, what ground,
PWM etc?

For PC it was easy to find out. Pls help me so i can finish
the wiring und put the new fans in my machine.

Thanks alot

 

Thanks Woodzstack! Does anyone have any experience with a clevo p650 hs or any other 15 inch laptop with a GTX 1070? I'm interested to know how the GPU temperatures of the 16L-1080 is compared to them with a delid and no case mod.

I tried going through the posts on this thread but most of them are from members who have modded their laptops.

 

We offer upgrade to unlocked BIOS remotely for sometime already - please contact our Support Team via https://web.eurocom.com/ec/supportr()ec and arrange remote session.

 

It seems they have your solution.

 

have extensive work with both laptops actually !
The F5 and the P650's CPU will be roughly same temps, at same frequency and such, the 1070 though in the P650 is slightly cooler but once it warms up after prolonged use should be a tiny bit higher. in both cases the headroom to OC the videocard is tremendous, I recommend a minimum of 10% OC permanently on either's 1070 or the F5's 1080. The 1070 though for the P650 really stays around 55C from my experience when making perfect contact after a good repaste and at stock, and general gaming use. It might reach higher in a benchmark. the 1080 in the F5 hits like 60'sC stock when making good contact and repasted well, but the heatsink for the 1080 in the F5 is really good, it's not the shared one used by 90% of the GPU's like the 1070/1060/980...etc

really though the CPU needs much more attention then the GPU's in both laptops.

 

It's been offered for a while, there are a few here who have had it done.