*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

Are there any UK owners of this notebook with a UK specification keyboard?

I just wanted to check if the UK keyboard has a normal "l-shaped" 2 line Enter (return) key?

Pictures on the net seem to indicate it's got a US style single line enter keyboard I don't know if they are taking a picture of the wrong keyboard!

 

Mine gets no more than lukewarm. By that, I mean, it's hard to tell if the machine is warming the air, or if it's reflected body heat from my hands. Definitely not objectionable, at least by my standards.

 

Not yet, they were all USA based/keyboards. The F5 was a special model that was sort of a different project then it ended up being.

 

And as the UK is currently experiencing some warmer weather...

 

I saw this in my email, don;t know why but I cracked up more then I should... must be tired. But it was funny !

 

The UK keyboard is the same, it does not have a normal enter key.

 

Ha, I want one, need one now, it's 30 degC in my room right now!

 

Thanks for confirming, I thought so, I saw a few UK ones for the GT73VR and they're the same shape as the US ones, just with different a few keys (stickers?) in different places.

 

Do we have to pay for a BIOS that supports 7700K? If the answer is yes, can you explain why?

 

Why would you have to pay for the bios ?

I don't see that written anywhere... you having trouble or something ?

 

Maybe because Eurocom charges for the unlocked BIOS on their website. So the question remains, do they have a "standard" BIOS that supports the 7700K, available for no additional charge and doesn't require the customer to ship the laptop back to Eurocom?

 

I have brightness controls working with my 120Hz screen. Right now I am using 382.23 drivers. Yours will likely be working soon as well.

 

Thinking about upgrading to 7700K but need a BIOS to do it. I wouldn't expect to pay for said BIOS since it's a supported product.

 

Well, can I just order the GPU + new heatsink required for it seperately? I have yet to hear anything about that but then again I don't visit NBR like I used to since I'm not on the hunt for a new machine (yet).

There's always been lots of talk about great things coming but I went down this route with a DTR style in hopes of keeping it a long time with the ability to continue to upgrade it but afaik Eurocom wants me to buy an entirely new machine to "upgrade". How's this any different from a BGA at this point.

 

So just get the latest bios and see how that works...

 

Yeah I have sold just the heatsink and videocard a few times, I don't see what the issue is. If you somehow do buy from them and have yourself an extra F5 for sale, i got a lineup of people waiting to buy them used for a discount

 

I will let you know! Thanks.


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Does anyone know of a way to unlock the pascal voltage options. I'm looking to undervolt my 1070 but the options are always grayed out in every program. Is this hard locked in the card so people cant cook them in their laptop?

 

I think undervoltage is best done with a slight vbios tweak, but not sure on that either as theres been like no vbioses easily available. Why do you need the undervolt if you do not mind me asking?

 

Somehow i missed this cuz last time i wanted to unlock my bios ,they wanted me to send the laptop to them.
I did contact Eurocom about brightness issue and they gave me stock upgrade bios.

 

They offer stock upgrade bios and it supports 7700k ,i'm running it.
At first i thought that new bios didn't fix anything but i managed to update my nvidia drivers (Had to reinstall them with DDU) and now i can adjust brightness !

 

Pascal is the most locked down NVIDIA GPU family I have ever seen. What they are doing to interfere with firmware adjustments is shameful and sinful. All changes are unnecessarily complex and produce unpredicatable results. If performance enhancement isn't your goal (undervolting is the direct opposite of a performance improvement play) then you're better off leaving the voltage alone and manipulating the TDP to lower voltage and get the GPU to run cooler. If you decrease TDP, clock speeds and voltage will follow suit. You can try this tool from @Coolane and see if it helps: https://github.com/LaneLyng/MobilePascalTDPTweaker/releases/tag/1.1.0.0

 

@woodzstack

I just wanted to like your honest post, but it looks like someone else was faster in disliking it...

 

you can use msi afterburner and lock the card's performance state to a lower operating voltage

can be used regardless if your voltage is locked or not

 

after a certain point the voltage scaling stops and you get massive heat output that isn't really worth it for a small performance increase

if you lock the gpu to a slightly lower voltage than what's normal, the performance wouldn't drop by a significant margin and the card could run cooler. in some cases it would perform better due to the lower temp and not hitting the power limit

the moderators here are quite iffy towards woodzstack, idk why but I started to suspect and notice this trend from few months back

 

yeah sometimes you need delegation or to be insistant, they are a big company, but they can and do infact offer remote bios , but they have to schedule time for it, and you have to go through the system and create a ticket, and I think they might not do it for just anyone, it has to be one of thier customers or one of mine.

 

Was wondering when someone would notice that oneday. pay it no attention, the mods are just trying to protect thier investment, and I am treading carefully as you can tell. lol.

 

OMG Prema, we miss you ! Can you confirm if you have a MS16L13 bios for people, would you like me to direct people to you, or simply you get enough attention as it is ?
When I spoke to SVET I asked him if he minded or not if I mentioned him, but I never got to ask you personally, and sometimes people are having difficulty getting the bios upgrades from myself, because i am not being given them, nor permission to distribute them
(because I have like 5 different recent bioses mainly Eurocom's and SVET's, but promises from everyone not to distribute them :S I use them to personally see the difference between them, as a reseller, to know stuff, just can't give them out. Its sad )

 

You know who you are and that this is not meant to cut You out, but my 16L-G-1080 mod is exclusive to EVOC and free to all of their customer.
It can not be obtained through me directly for any amount of cash by any company or user.
Did they ask me to make it exclusive to them? No! Did they pay me any money for that?
No! They simply appreciate quality work, treat me with respect and are honest with me all the way. Those have become rare qualities in today's world and deserve recognition.

 

Am I being stupid and missing something, what is the button or switch to turn fans to max?

 

The one on the far left, above the pause key. When the fans are on max the LED on that button will come on. If you're in a noisy environment you might not be able to tell the fans are running full blast because they are not particularly loud.

 

Thanks, I thought it was an FN+key combination and thought I was missing it.

@Mr. Fox or anyone else, does this seem like a "normal" amount of light bleed as I feel like it is not. I turn my machine on or when I wake the screen up from being asleep, everything looks fine and perfect and normal. But it seems like after maybe 10 minutes or so or having the screen on and running I will get this vertical backlight bleed on the right hand side of my monitor. The picture is not the best but it is quite noticeable and bothersome. I don't want to go crying back to HID yet as I just got the machine and am wondering if there is anything I may be able to do to solve or alleviate the issue myself. After spending this much on a laptop I definitely don't want a big light shining up through the right side of my screen all the time when I am trying to use it. http://imgur.com/a/ZIP9J here is a picture of the screen this morning after running for maybe 15 minutes or so.

Aside from that everything else has been great so far, temps have seemed good although I am only running at 4.4ghz instead of 4.7 and have not been able to sit down and do much gaming aside from letting a game run for a little bit. I will put some time into PUBG tonight and see how it runs on this machine and what my temps look like. Honestly everything is perfect and better than I could have hoped for aside from the back light bleed. Only other minor annoyance is they put the 1 8gig stick under the motherboard where I was hoping it would be accessible and I could pull it out and throw in a single or 2 16 gig sticks easily but that's a minor inconvenience at the end of the day.

 

Hi, I just got the Eurocom Tornado F5. I have everything that came with the USB drivers installed, even KLM and SCM, but I can't disable the touchpad when press FN + F3. The other functions are working fine. Has anyone been having this problem or know how to solve this?
Thx.

 

Hi Brother @Neto82 - It could be the version of the Synaptics driver that is being used. Whatversion do you have installed? Here is what I have installed.

Code:

Synaptics Gesture Suite
SGS Version: SGS 16.3
ClickPad Series 1.5 - Imaging Sensor
Driver Version: 19.3.4.31 17Aug16
Firmware Version: 7.5
Interface: PS/2
Windows Version: Win10

I use the feature in the driver to automatically disable the touch pad whenever a USB mouse is attached. I do not have KLM or SCM installed. I use the button on the media panel to turn the keyboard lighting on/off, so I don't really need any of the MSI bloatware installed.

Hey bro. No, that light bleed is not normal. It could be, but I doubt it is the LCD panel. It looks like a pressure or distortion related bleed problem. Mine has a tiny bit of light bleed visible on a black screen that is even around the full perimeter and that would be normal.

It may be something as simple as the bezel is pinching that area too hard, or the bottom bracket where the screws are could be bent and holding pressure on that area. It could even be a foreign object between the lid and the LCD panel, like an part number label that is curled up and putting light pressure on the back of the screen. There isn't much air space between the screen and the lid.

The top of the panel fits into notches and there are two screws with brackets at the bottom behind the bezel. The bezel snaps on/off and has two-sided tape around the perimeter. You don't need to use the two-sided tape if the bezel goes back on clean and stays fastened.

If you move the display on its hinges does the area with the severe light bleed change size/shape or go away?

 

I will continue testing today when I get back to my office and can spend some time in front of it. The picture I took was from this morning and I had it running for a bit at work today and did not seem to notice it at all. It seems to come and go so yes maybe the hinges and angle of the screen is doing something to affect it I will have to play around and test it a little more. I did try sliding my fingernail under the bezel on the right side and popping it out a little bit and put it back in place without fully removing it so maybe that relieved some of the pressure and has helped. Hoping it's not too big of a deal and not here to stay.

 

Awesome ! Thank you for clearing that up, it goes to show how far respect can get people.
And yeah no offense taken, I know I'm under Eurocom's wing as a startup, no shame there for me, I do the best I can. Had another company reached out to me, I might have been under them instead at first. Got to start somewhere haha.

back on topic -
That's also mighty generous of you, I had to ask, because people ask me on occasion.
The only other alternative was SVET from the MSI forums for awhile and now the unlocked versions some OEMs have now, but they didn't have them right away.

But may I ask, is this only for the 1080 version ?

 

I sometimes personally dislike Synaptics... it's like there's no other mouse track pad company and these guys just do a half assed job.

I've seen so many different sorts of errors with track pads over the years.
But disabling it is easy, I think even in windows you have an option to disable it somewhere in control panel, too. Incase of an auto install by the OS and the tray icon is not there.

 

I feel like I have a lot of issues with 2 finger scrolling on this laptop. I know most windows 10 laptops it's built right in and works fine, don't know if this is an issue with Synaptics or what but I notice it will try to scroll the first time and move maybe about an inch, then it will stop and act as if my 2 fingers are just moving the cursor around. Anyone else have any issues with it? Is there just some sensitivity setting I can find and adjust

http://imgur.com/a/Ona7t
@Mr. Fox I got back to my office and had a little bit of time to spend with it. When I first booted it up, the light started off as a small circle near where my mouse cursor is. I turned to look at my work PC for about 5 minutes and when I went back to the laptop it had expanded (picture 1) and a few minutes later when I looked back it had expanded again (picture 2). I attempted to move the screen and hinges back and forth etc and no matter what angle the screen was at, the light was always there it didn't disappear if I hit a certain point (although viewing angles affect the light seen quite a bit, straight on is when it's the worst). I noticed when I was lifting and lowing the lid, about 2-3 inches to the left of the light bleed I was getting a vertical ripple effect on my screen that looked like it was from pressure. My fingers/hand were no where near this when applying some pressure to adjust the lid (let alone on the back middle of the lid to move it) and I was being very light and careful when making adjustments only having 2 fingers at the very top of the lid tilt it up and down. I know the picture is far from good but you can sort of see a line in the middle of picture 3 and this was what was happening. As if you were pushing on the back of a laptop lid and applying pressure and everything starts rippling and moving and looking funny there, but only in this one particular spot. As I was typing this up I looked back and the light has expanded more (picture 4) getting a little wider and going up vertically significantly more. It seems to get worse or grow the longer I leave the laptop/screen on and will get quite annoying when sections of the right side of my monitor should be black and instead look white or bright grey. Would you recommend trying to really do anything to the machine myself aside from maybe trying to pull off the bezel and re attach it or should I reach out to HID and or Donald if the issue does not resolve itself in the next couple days? I do not want to wait too long for it to become a worse more serious issue, or be out of time to try and have anything done about it. I love everything about this machine, it is literally perfect for me and everything you and other people said about the size and weight of it is true. For what this thing has in it, and compared to some of the Lenovo laptops I use for work this thing is maybe half a pound to a pound heavier than them and no issue to carry around, not too thick, and extremely powerful, I love it. This light bleed is just going to get on my nerves very badly if I cannot fix it myself or have something done about it. I look at the monitor from a size angle and it looks great, but when I move infront of it that light spot stands out so much. It was actually one of my friends who first noticed it yesterday and was asking me "Hey dude what is that white line on the right side of your screen is that part of the background or supposed to be like that or glare from a light?" and now it's all I can see. RIP

After I walked away from all of this I let the screen go to sleep and came back and woke it up and everything looks 100% fine again (picture 5) what little light is on the screen in the picture is actual glare. Very odd issue imo.

 

Big shout out to @Eurocom Support for doing my remote session upgrade to the unlocked and brightness control BIOS for the 120Hz display today!

I submitted a support ticket this morning and was responded to within a couple hours and made an appointment with one of their very helpful and knowledgeable support techs. The whole process was fairly simple and fast. I now have full brightness controls with my 120Hz panel and the latest Nvidia drivers finally work perfectly.

Thanks again guys!

 

Awesome to hear. When I installed Windows it auto installed and updated to the latest Nvidia drivers and did not break my screen or backlight from working however brightness controls do not work (from HID). I'll still probably end up going back to 378 however.

 

EVOC only sells this system with 1080 as they also have the 15" Clevo for 1070/1060, which have better hardware to hold higher CPU clocks. We've removed the MSI power throttle in the premamod and it's good until about 5Ghz, with 5.1Ghz+ chances are the board simply switches off (with CPU & GPU maxed-out), but we hope to see some people here with good silicon also reaching the stable 5.2Ghz benching range...looking at you @Rage Set

 

Bro, I will ready for the challenge as soon as @Mr. Fox and I make the exchange. I have my secret weapon ready to be coupled with my U3 Extreme Cooler. Then there are my DTs, hahaha.

I was the top dog for a little while until Mr. Fox showed me what the power of a deity and his own immense OC knowledge/talent could do. We'll trade blows again one day soon!

 

I had the same problem a few days ago and I contacted Eurocom. They sent me an updated Synaptics driver and I think they also updated their driver page. Here is the link:

http://downloads.eurocom.com/support/drivers/zip/384/384_TouchPad_W1064.zip

Once I updated the driver FN+F3 works fine.

 

I am also now on the latest BIOS and Fn + F3 works perfectly for me as well. It also worked on the very very old stock BIOS that the systems were originally shipping with.

 

I keep encountering reasons to be glad I bought from them. They're stand-up folks.

 

Man, I could really use that feature. I have driver 19.0.22.4, which lacks that feature. Do I get this updated driver directly from Synaptics, from MSI, or somewhere else? (Please remember I'm new to Windows. This stuff is easier in Linux.)

 

Updated my GeForce driver today, now version 382.53. I have the 4K panel. Running FireStrike with no changes to my NVidia Control Panel settings, I got 16256. After some tweaks to the NVCP, notably telling it to "use my preferences" and "balanced" antialiasing mode, my new score is this:



CPU and GPU temps topped out just over 80C, which for me is really good. No changes to my CPU settings, still 4.7 GHz and 1.140 V static.

 

Just want to say that I was going to give it a couple days of testing and see how it played out before I reached out to HID about any issues, and as I was leaving work today I got a call from HID tech support that they saw my post and wanted to see if I was still having the issue and recommended I try removing the bezel and see if relieving pressure could help the issue and if it did not, they had a ticket number already created for me to reference if I called back and needed to have it replaced. Not sure if @Donald@HIDevolution saw my post and sent it to them or what....but wow. I did not even want to go to them if I didn't have to and instead I received a phone call from them asking about my issue. Talk about customer service.

 

I'll make it easy and throw it on my Google drive for you or anyone else that wants it. I use the same one on my P870DM3.

Edit: Here you go, Brother @syscrusher - Synaptics 19.3.4.31 Drivers

 

Yes, I saw your post and had our Tech Support team reach out to you.

Thank you for your most kind comments...we really do our best to give our customers good 'ole fashion service.