*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

Well kudos to you, Prema and all the others who work (often for free) to clean up the garbage we are being fed by certain corporations.

 

That's what I was afraid of. I may be willing to purchase a programmer. What could I do to join the exclusive elite if I did?

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4k Screen and cable upgrade complete. Realized I was out of thermal paste though so will need to disassemble and reapply new paste when it comes in tomorrow hopefully, yay amazon Sunday delivery.

For those wondering the exact stock OEM cable is K1N-3040042-H39 it is an exact 40 to 40 pin for our machine. The 4k cables for the gt72/gt62 DO NOT work... Lol... Wasted some money there... But was a fun process.
I used the stock 4k screen because I wanted something I knew would work, in the future I will try other screen but for now I am enjoying the beautiful crispness of 4k, and man did I miss glossy screens ( I will regret the first time I use the laptop in a bright room haha)

 

Where did you get the correct cable from? I might be interested in picking it up along with a 4K panel. I want all of the panels for this beast to just simply have or in case something happens to one, I'll have options.

 

@Donald@HIDevolution My laptop has the SEVT bios flashed on it, can PREMA's bios go directly on top of it? I am about ready to send mine in I think but a tad worried there might be issues since I am not on the stock bios.

 

I can answer that. Yes and no. It is not possible to software flash the Prema/EVOC BIOS over the Svet BIOS for the same reason it cannot be software flashed over the stock BIOS. Both have the draconian Secure Flash filth. But, that won't matter. @thattechgirl_viv will use a programmer to flash a @Prema-sanitized version of the stock BIOS using a hardware programmer onto the BIOS chip and from there the PremaMod EVOC enthusiast BIOS can be flashed using software, along with the optimized vBIOS included in that firmware package.

Right now there is no version of a @Prema 1080 vBIOS in distribution. It is still under development. But, what you could do is get the programmer, learn how to use it, and use the tool offered by @Coolane to play around with tweaking setting on your stock vBIOS. Just be sure to save a copy of your current vBIOS in case you need to go back to is at some point.

For most users this will not be something they will want to dive into simply because it is a major hassle. On the 16L13 you have to remove both heat sinks and take the GPU out of the MXM slot to access the vBIOS chip that is mounted to the motherboard side of the GPU. Most will want to wait until something special is available, do it once and be done with it. The optimized vBIOS included in the firmware package for EVOC customers is a whole lot better than what MSI shipped with the GPU in the 16L13. Recipients of that should immediately notice an improvement in GPU performance. I know I did.

 

Do you know if HID plan to have us ship back the book when @Prema has concluded his work to the best of his ability to flash the updated vBIOS?

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I'm a bit skeptical that the vbioses on these are not the current new stock ones, coming from any of the sellers, it's not impossible, but whats different ? Are you sure they have a new vbios ? I'm only skeptical because of how much individual time and effort and work doing this to each card would take, for - what gains ? Whats been done, if anything, officially ?
I would have imagined people would have started tweaking the 1060N and 1070N first, but I can see the 1080N being worked on, aftermarket wise, but it's not as easy as it used to be, so I am skeptical because of whats involved, curious to know for sure though.

 

I do not know the answer to that.

The vBIOS that ships on the 1080 in the 16L13 limits the GPU to something like 150W. The vBIOS for the EVOC machines allows the same 1080 to pull a bit more than 200W and holds boost clocks much better than the original vBIOS.

 

Read about the apparent limit on the 1080, so there is a 1080 vbios difference, and it's an after market vbios ?

Well now I'm curious who modded the vbios.

 

Evoc only has one BIOS mod master.

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It is not a mod because it is flashable with NVFLASH and has a valid signature. NVIDIA Inspector also does not flag it as "Modified" firmware. I am not sure what GPU it was "borrowed" from. Cross-flashing is already a fairly common way of improving performance on desktop Pascal GPUs that ship with a crappy vBIOS, so it would make sense that it has application to mobile GPUs as well. Maybe the version would be helpful to identify it for anyone wanting to do the research to try to figure it out. Perhaps this is the one: https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/186862/186862 (which is the higher-powered GT73VR 1080 GPU firmware).

 

Aren't you and @Prema trying to sort out the vBIOS?

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Yes, but the optimized vBIOS included with the EVOC firmware package is not a mod. It's just a whole lot better than what comes stock on the GPU from MSI. The vBIOS mod is still a work in process and there is not a release version available for this machine or the Clevos.

But, it is possible to cross-flash a better vBIOS. Of course, this is experimental and carries some risk with it. Be sure you have a backup of your original vBIOS and a programmer handy in case it does not turn out well. And, don't blame me for giving you the idea, LOL.

Example: I just cross-flashed the stock Clevo GTX 1080 (200W) firmware on my MSI 1080 (150W) GPU for no reason other than to confirm that it works.

 

That makes sense.

Thanks for sharing.

These were known for a while, like almost right away when the F5's were initially being sold, but those vbioses from the other MSI laptops have already found thier way to F5's from other vendors than EVOC.


Heck, the 1070's were the first, and thats why they are so high performing. But all this was done last year, or so I thought.

 

Thank you for the explanation. I know that these things should be understood as an "at your own risk" procedure. I'm grateful for the information.

Is the modded vBIOS a between close friends project or is there plans to release it through a vendor? Thermal throttling points for the GTX 1080 are absurd.

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That is not for me to decide and I have no way of knowing. I am only assisting with the testing and I am the only person applying the vBIOS mods to my GPUs for testing. My guess would be that once it is finished PremaMod partners may be eligible for it if the vendor is willing to use it. Some might be worried about replacing absurdly overpriced GPUs under warranty. At least one vendor took that position with the last generation of vBIOS mods and never made it available to their customers. I suspect that the individual vendor will decide whether or not to offer it. And, it probably goes without saying that it won't be available anywhere until it is 100% ready for prime time because flashing it with the programmer is a hassle for a production environment, so it needs to be a one and done procedure.

 

That is exactly what I was hoping for. Well that, and HID decide to allow it in their books. Thank you.

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How are the core differentials in the F5?


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Got them from Ebay. Seller is asking 60, I offered 40 he accepted. You can get it cheaper from Waresphere, I have ordered from there but it comes from china so it takes a while. Seller on Ebay is in Illinois, and since I wanted it sooner I paid the $10 extra for his.

I now have 3 panels for the beast... Need to sell the 120hz one at least here soon.

 

There shouldn't be any.

Imagine that, a square CPU heat-sink with 4 screws! If only other manufactures understood pressure points

 

GT62VR have four screws and a lot of them suffer from temp differentials.

 

I'd attribute that to paste job/ machines screwing it in for the assembly line in some cases. But more likely the 7700K is a slightly bigger die (easier to evenly cool) and just better chip in general (it is their consumer flagship)

 

Funny how you switch to 4K while I switch to 120hz screen lol

 

Nice, I actually went from the stock to 120hz, back to stock, and now to 4k haha. I mainly play League of legends and mass effect. I don't play much where 120hz is needed. And if I do need it, my TV is native 120hz at 1080P so I can play it on there. I would rather have the crispness and sharpness of the 4k.

If you need the stock cable model number for non 4k I can look at mine at any time.

 

I am going to have some surprises for you guys soon. Even though I have been spending a lot of time in the i9/Ryzen CPU threads, I haven't forgotten about the beast that is the 16L13. Hopefully by this Friday, I'll have some new benchmarks to show you all and reignite the friendly rivalry between @Mr. Fox and I. My experimental Cooling Box is almost complete.

 

you have Links ?

was a pain in the arse finding this stuff initially, and more then just a few people need it
You know, because you were one of them, least you got it now though !

 

Everyone please keep in mind that all EVOC systems receive a modded bottom-cover to accommodate the additional GPU load. We have tested this thoroughly and concluded that otherwise this systems cooling simply can't handle the higher loads!! Using advanced mods that also remove thermal throttle are simply not possible on this system as its capacities are reached as it is and pushing it further will end in a complete system shutdown.
This 150W MSI model can already pull 225W+ on stock clocks and voltage once we allow it to run on higher temps without throttle.
Same for the mandatory reachable CMOS battery, without this a modded BIOS can cause a semi-brick which requires a full system disassembly to recover.
EVOC ensures that both these features are implemented in each system that leaves them with premamod on it, so that your adventures don't end up in RMA.

 

Believe me, thermals and stability are priority for me, and I have both mods on my book. I always strive to keep my book well within safe standards, but I also purchased this book because I believe in its potential. That ceiling is much greater thanks to you and the work you and @Mr. Fox have put it.

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I offered $40 to this seller and he accepted. This is the 4k cable:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-MS...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Waresphere also sells it but for me would take much longer to get here as his come from China.

http://www.waresphere.com/store/lcd-lvds-cable-4k-msi-16l1-k1n-3040042-h39.html.

The 4k screen I just googled the part number and there were alot of sellers. I didn't realize the screen was only 48hz, need to look into that a little more, maybe I was sent the wrong model.

 

Every time I read posts about how wonderful the EVOC is, I feel a little bit sadder about my purchase...



Nice to see that you're all pushing this further and further. Perhaps your improvements will trickle over to Eurocom for updates to the F5 and incorporation into the F7.

(Or I'm hoping so, at least.)

 

it's great that you guys doing such a nice job for community!, i have a eurocom but seeing evoc getting so many goodies make me jealous lol(Eurocom support is awesome too!).
its hard getting such mods here in pakistan, those extra parts n tools don't get easily here. that CMOS was really annoying so i have remove it completely been months and i have no trouble since i never remove battery and i can reset laptop just fine holding power button, good riddance lol.

 

That is a really good idea. If the CMOS battery had been coin-cell socket mounted instead of wire-connected I would have just removed it completely as well. It's the perfect solution for this machine if you don't have the ability to make one of those extension cords. Without a CMOS battery, disconnecting the AC power and holding down the EC/battery reset switch for 30 seconds would clear the NVRAM because there would be no power to the motherboard. (Depressing the EC/battery reset switch disconnects the large system battery from the motherboard.)

 

Even without the CMOS battery connected, you couldn't clear the NVRAM aka reset bios for last <normal> laptops from Alienware. Dell's engineering was already on its way down the drain, early 2013. Good that there are simple solutions like this

 

I got the cable from the same seller, for the same price. Thanks! Now I just need to source the 4K panel. Does GSync work with your panel?

 

should work with the Samsung but not the Sharp (or do I have this backwards ?)

 

It should be the Samsung panel. I'm probably going to install it once, see if it works and go back to the 120hz panel.

 

yea, it works great on this one. also it benefits from internal battery as i dont have to remove battery every time i open back for hardisk/ram changing.

 

This is the true 4k screen, right?

Not the pentile one?

 

The Samsung Pentile is my LTN156FL02-101.
What do you mean with "true" 4K despite this Pentile 4K? I know that this one has double green pixel, but what is the downside?

So, can I flash this vBIOS on my 1080 even with the stock BIOS on the motherboard, simply through NVFLASH?
Will I be able to set power target and temperature target through Afterburner with this vBIOS onboard?

LOL my 1080 is already a bit hotter than expected at stock working frequencies; I'll modify the backplate for sure before any performance boost, otherwise my baby Eurocom will be perfect to cook eggs on!

 

No it does not, but apparently even though my model number is the same it is a separate version of it. Do not buy the version for Lenovo.. It is locked to 48Hz and does not support Gsync.. Sad times. Should of looked into it a little before blindly buying. Oh well it will go on the stack of other displays I need to sell haha.

 

Yes, you could flash it with NVFLASH since it is a signed unmodded stock vBIOS, just a better one that's not gimped as much. You can and should also save your stock vBIOS using NVFLASH so you can go back to it if you change your mind later.

No, stock vBIOS is conveniently missing nice features like that. Thank NVIDIA for that... nice job... not.

 

Good news about my EVOC Typhoon is that it reached HIDevolution and is getting the following done:
1-Prema Bios Installation
2-4K screen swap to FHD 120HZ screen
3-Laser Engravings on LCD Cover, Palm rest and bottom cover
4-Bottom Cover mod
5-CMOS battery extension cord installation

then they benchmark/stress test it for stability (probably Overclocked to 4.7/5.0GHz).

When all is good, the Typhoon should fly back to me. Now I will be messing around in my Wacom Companion Hybrid 32GB until then.

 

@Huniken did you get yours second-hand, then?

 

No, I bought my EVOC brand new from HIDevolution back in February of this year. It shipped without the Prema Bios and other mods as they weren't out yet.

Now that they are made available thanks to @Mr. Fox & @Prema for their great work & research, HIDevolution can provide it to their customers who bought the EVOC Typhoon previously and all new upcoming customers to buy an EVOC Typhoon machine.

 

Ah, thank you, I understand.

 

I love how you have just changed the name to the Typhoon and rolling with it.

 

No offense to @Ted@HIDevolution @Donald@HIDevolution, but the random assortment of numbers and letters is just a silly naming mechanic (one that plagues the entire industry). 16L-G means nothing to anybody. Much easier to market a laptop with a name. very few companies do this, and it is admittedly a little harder to do on tech.

 

So one company names it Tornado, another Hurricane, another Tropical Storm...all the same laptop...but who would know? (I only leave Typhoon out because that is a name chosen by @Huniken, not a company, to which he is exclusively entitled).

We chose 16L because it is an MSI 16L chassis, -G because it supports G-Sync on all but the 120HZ LCD, and 1080 for the GPU. They are not just a random assortment of numbers and letters...each has meaning.

I would say that Tornado, Hurricane and Tropical Storm would be a random assortment of names that have no relationship to the manufacturer, model or components.

What makes sense to some...will rarely make sense to others, and almost never make sense to all.

 

I suppose that makes sense from an utilitarian standpoint. Its like how we name parts in manufacturing ( 1st company initials, 2nd category, 3rd control group, etc..). Its very good for legacy and part support, as well as references.

What I was trying to say though, from a marketing standpoint, its easier to sell/remember something with a catchy name. The name doesn't have to be weather related

An Example of what I mean:
I had to look up to this thread title to remember name of this computer for HIDevolution several times when first learning about the system (and spreading the word of such an awesome systems availability ). Sort of like "what was it called again" moments. However I immediately remembered Eurocom's Tornado F5 when posting in other threads, or picturing the system in my mind.

I apologize for being so critical of the naming and marketing Still absolutely love what you have to offer. And I am by no means an expert.