*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

It's kind of a notebook thing though. Most notebooks have some strange alpha-numeric name. I see where you're coming from, but what really needs to be shared is the difference between a locked down junk book and a great system that is designed with the consumer in mind. I don't think Tornado F5 really gets that across either. People need to start talking about the most important aspects of these systems and vendors like HID who offer solutions to locked down trash. Companies that offer systems without a locked BIOS and components that can be switched out or upgraded. I understand the appeal of ultra thin books with soldered everything. The market offers a ton of those, but books like the 16L are rare. That is a real problem especially considering the trends manufacturers have been leading with restricting access and use of machines that we have paid top dollar for. If more people were buying machines like the 16L from vendors like HID, the corporate machine may take notice and ask "what makes this machine and this vendor special?" Why are consumers skipping on the bulk of the restricted bga laptops unless they are designed for heavy travel? I'd like them to take that hit like arrogant Sony did, and have to fight for consumer respect again.

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No offense taken...no apology required. You make good points, and your suggestion is taken in the friendly spirit it was given.

 

Does any one have the model number for the 120hz display ?
Thanks in advance


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AUO B156HTN05.2

 

Thanks !


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Hi, I am going to get this laptop. how much do you recommend it for someone who moves a lot? is it durable and can handle being carried most of the time or i should find something lighter like mx5 r3?

 

I'm a heavy user, I take it from office to room and from room to office twice daily, if you take care of it, it will take care of your needs, laptop is not heavy as much as that 330w PSU. It has a good chassis if that's your concern, no flex on the kayboard area.

 

i move alot, infact my use is very rough some time i just toss my backpack, laptop is durable enough. weight isnt a problem for me as im previous user of m4600 dell laptop. i dont think you should worry about this laptop.

 

thank you. the only thing i worry about is the hinges as my current HP broke 3 times and it's truly making my life horrible as i can't move comfortably with it. does the 7700k worth it more than the 7820HK? i don't think it's possible to upgrade the CPU later as intel changes the socket every generation is that right?

 

hinges are fine on this one, never had issues with these. and 7700k is far superior thn 7820HK. HK is a laptop grade chip while 7700k is desktop and can run cooler with de-lid.

 

7820hk can't compete. It's pure soldered trash intended for smartphones - tablets. And you have to buy the whole MB when the soldered junk fry right after your expencive warranty have expired. Trash is trash!! Don't waste your hard earned money on trash.

 

Funny, the Snapdragon chips for Phones and tablets is far more advanced than the 7820hk . Intel been lazin' about peddling their same huge stocks of cheap silicon for like 6 years now

Wish that Qualcomm manufactured LGA x86. We need more contenders

 

Hello everyone,
I am a proud owner of the tornado f5(i7 6700k-gtx 1070) and two days ago my left(GPU fan) stopped working. I contacted Eurocom for a replacement but since I currently live in Greece-Athens they told me I have to pay to send the defective fan back to eurocom( per their request) and for the shipping of the replacement.
Since that would cost me 30$ for a 5$ part, for the past two days, I have been doing some research on laptop fans and fans in general. After all that research some questions have emerged which I think can only be answered by the collective knowledge of this community.
First of all, it is my understanding that all MSI GT laptops use the same fans but with different screw holes. In fact the MSI gt62vr should use the exact same fans as our laptop. Does anyone know from where I can get those fans( one fan to be precise) for a reasonable price? Is the fan covered by the MSI warranty in Europe and therefore can I get it for free?
In addition I was thinking, as many of you probably were, if I could mod a desktop fan into the laptop. According to some of my measurements a 80mm fan would actually fit into the chassis and if I remember correctly how desktop fans are connected the laptop stock fans use the same connectors as some desktop fans do(4-pin). On the laptop stock fans there are 2 specifications: 12VDC and 0,65A(which I suppose is the theoretical maximum?). Since nearly all desktop fans use 12VDC, if I could find a 80mm desktop fan with a 4pin connector with 0.65 or less amperage could I actually use it in the laptop?
And one last interesting note. Even if I am wrong in the above, there is an ASUS m.2 fan extension card that could be installed into the laptop and provide as with desktop fan connectors thus enabling us to install any desktop fan that is fitting in the chassis. Since the card is not cheap(~30$) I just mention this for any enthusiast that feels particularly brave.
If I am wrong in any of the above please DO correct me.
Sorry for any syntax mistake but it is late here in Greece xD.
Thanks in advance for any answer,

 

If you dig through this thread maybe 50 pages back or so (probably more), a member discovered the exact fans and ran tests with other fans fit this unit. If I recall correctly, he didn't see much improvement from the other fans he tried. We are always grateful if you want to conduct your own experiments and share what you find.

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@Mr. Fox @Prema

The power of PremaMod and I haven't even scratched the surface.

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/13113854/fs/11873926

EDIT: That was the best score I could achieve before. I have my sights set on 20,500 now!

 

One more - 20,190! - http://www.3dmark.com/fs/13113912

This is without my cooling box...only my U3 Extreme.

 

Very nice what type of temps are you getting


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Nice! Great to have you back in the saddle, bro. Awesome score. Feels good to break 20K, doesn't it? I think your GPU can handle +600 memory offset (1400 or effectively 11.200MHz). @Prema firmware FTW!

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/11873926/fs/13113854/fs/13113912#

 

CPU is @ 88C and surprisingly, the GPU is only @ 75C with my U3E.

It feels amazing to get over that 20K hurdle, thanks to you and @Prema . This beast hauls a$$ now and I definitely can go higher with additional cooling. Just the tip of the iceberg.

If anyone doubted the powers of PremaMod and @Mr. Fox I hope this can convince you.

I expect to see some amazing scores/benchmarks from @leftsenseless @Huniken @mizerab1e and anyone else that has the honor and privilege of having PremaMOD BIOS in their unit.

 

Very nice whats your cooler look like


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Hahaha! My cooler is a "bit" different than others and loud as hell. When I was doing my benches, my gf told me to go outside. Mind you, it's after 12am here, hehehe. I posted a video of it many pages back.

 

I found this one for you. @alaskajoel can probably help you identify something that would work.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...6-owners-lounge.797128/page-543#post-10513199

 

Microcenter has the 6850K for $300 right now...
Really Really Really tempted. Eventhough I in no way need that power... But physical 6 cores!

 

well a ryzen 1700 for 270$ is a better deal imo tho im not an expert in high end processor and the mb for 6850k wont be cheap either tho u get powerful chipset and alot more pci-e lanes.

 

Yeah I was never the biggest fan of AMD's optimization and pipelining in the past but haven't looked into it in a while. I just really wish our board supported it...

 

saw some recent benchs and it seems ryzen is getting much better with every bios update, getting very nice boast with higher memory mhz. happy that they really turn things this time around, it will only means intel pricing to be alot more fairer thn before. i hope ryzen 2 is a success so intel can do more reasonable support. tho i dont think they are really threatening in GPU market yet.
ryzen 7 laptop with a 1080GTX will be super OP.

 

Yeah I agree, I definitely wanted AMD to step up their game, Intel hasn't really done anythign good other than optimization and die shrink in the last 6 years. Make it faster eh throw another core etc. And now that Tic-Toc is gone and with Moore's law kicking in I think we are getting close to our peak in (noticeable) processing power..

 

@Donald@HIDevolution I am sure you guys are busy and have a lot going on with the bottom cover mods and Prema Bios now, but is there typically an ETA on how long it takes to get everything done when you guys get it back from us? I know mine may be a little longer with the screen. Going away at the end of the month and just curious if I may have it back in 10-14 days or probably not. More than fine if I don't just curious if there's a typical ETA.

 

Do you have a desktop to use it in? That is a really good price. Too bad it won't fit in the 16L13 or my Clevo. I'd buy two if it would.

The worst part about Ryzen is they seem to really SUCK at overclocking, just as AMD videos cards do. I don't care how nice they perform at stock clocks. To me that is just totally irrelevant and superior stock performance constitutes the cost of a ticket for basic admission. If I can't overclock the living snot out of a CPU or GPU, then I have no use or interest in those parts whatsoever. They are as boring and worthless to me as the tits on a boar.

Compared to where they were (bottom of the barrel garbage after the Pentium II days... behind the 8-ball since CoreDuo introduction) AMD have come a long ways, and it's great to finally see Intel getting their feet held to the fire. I hope they get blisters. BUT, a CPU or GPU that won't overclock really well is just a lame piece of trash to me. They're going to have to step it up a little bit more if they want my money. I need to see 8C/16T overclocking as high or higher than Intel's K and Extreme HEDT CPUs with as many cores/threads or AMD CPUs will never be acceptable to me. And, there are lots (probably most) overclocking enthusiasts that feel exactly the same way.

This is not a game of horseshoes. Almost doesn't count for anything and neither do good intentions. Like Ricky Bobby's daddy used to tell him, " If you're not first, you're last" and same applies to AMD.

 

Well, that is not in my wheelhouse. Better to contact Zoltan about that.

 

Thanks a lot man. I searched the thread for this exact post but I had no luck finding xD.

However, I found a solution to my problem. For everyone that lives in Europe, as I do, the MSI warranty covers fans malfunctions. The only think you have to do is register your laptop online in their site and come in contact with your local MSI support or a certified technician.

On another note do you know, or anyone else for that matter, if the connector that power the laptop fans are the same 4pin connectors that power desktop fans? I have built 2 desktops so far and I remember those connectors bigger, but I do not see a reason why anyone would make them smaller in a z170 motherboard. If indeed they are the same I am gonna try to install a good 80mm fan in our laptop as soon as I get back from my vacations( I am leaving tommorow and getting back in a week). Of course I will post any results here but I am confident they will be pretty positive.

 

Get it! I can get mine to 4.7...

 

Thanks for the info on MSI warranty taking care of it. That's good to know.

The connector on the laptop motherboard is much smaller than a 3-pin or 4-pin PWM desktop case fan. Most desktop fans are an axial design that pushes air forward like a household fan and looks like windmill; whereas notebooks use a radial design that pushes air sideways and looks more like a squirrel cage fan. Fitting a normal desktop fan would not work, as it could not be oriented in a way to push air through the radiator.

 

I could do well with a fraction of the notebook knowledge in your brain. Thanks again as always. It's great that you never act holier than thou with all of us bothering you constantly for your wisdom.

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It's arrived!!!!

So,

It's stuck in Spanish! (Fixed, sort of), but it still launches in Spanish. How to sort the launching language?

Fixed plug by finding a 250 V, 5Amp UK plug. Who knew that the old power supply cable for my desktop was so good.

 

Very interesting! Thank you so much man, greetings from Italy!!

EDIT: I just registered my Eurocom notebook on MSI site; they gave me 3 months free warranty, too.

 

preferences and Date + time regional preferences have the advanced settings you are looking for. On my setup its easily accessed next to time on system task-bar

 

No problem man. I like to help however I can, as you do.
As for the fans, your answer was especially helpful. But I would like once more your opinion. I plan to do the bottom cover mod in the near future. Since the cables are the same for any 4pin fan, I could cut the wires in a pwm desktop fan and mod the connector of the defective fan into it. So, theoretically I would have the desktop fan working and pushing the air through the holes in the bottom case( thanks to the bottom cover mod that is) . So I would have negative pressure inside the case which would force new air to get into the case and cool every and each component. Plus no matter the direction the fan is pushing the air, the air would have to be sucked from somewhere, and that is from inside the case. Of course it would not be optimised for that, since it would be a desktop fan, but the quality, rpm and cfm advantage might indeed give it an edge over the laptop fan. What do you think?
All of the above are my thoughts and assumptions, and at this point I am just thinking outloud for possible ways to improve the thermal capacity of our laptop.
Anyone who wants to weight in is more than welcome.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA. I also got the 3 months free warranty thanks to the questionaire xD.
For everyone who does not know when you register your laptop in the MSI site it asks you if you want to complete a questionaire, and if you do( it takes 3 mins) you get 3 extra months of warranty for free.

 

Adding fans to circulate inside of the chassis is a good idea, but you could not eliminate the fans in there now because you need to push air through the heat sink radiators. I am not aware of any desktop fans that would let you do this. They do not push air in the correct direction.

The other problem you would run into is lack of available space to add extra fans.

Laptop fans are made like this, which pushes air out of the rectangular opening through the heat sink radiator.


A desktop fan (shown below) pulls air in one side and pushes it straight out the other side. You would be blowing air at the motherboard or the bottom cover depending on which direction the output side is facing, and nothing would get pushed through the radiator.

 

When will we see some results Woodz? Thanks

 

soon as someone lets me use thier laptop as the test bench !

Otherwise it wouldn't be an F5. I had an F5 of my own for like 6 months, but sold it to buy more stock and try other laptops :S

 

Our little 15-inch micro-beast got some publicity in this new video from Stephen at OWNorDISOWN.

 

I've had this laptop for several months now and not a single issue. I can honestly say out of all the laptops I've purchased this has far and away been the best and I've had some serious contenders from all the big players. I am hopeful we get a coffee lake upgrade/pascal gpu upgrade in the future.

 

I will ask you the same question at a later date Thanks.

 

If this is any indication (and it may not be) then probably nothing to get too overly excited about. It's kind of somewhere in the middle between good (Kryonaut) and great (liquid metal).

If the specs are accurate and the product stays in place without much pump-out, it should be better than Kryonaut.

Aeronaut is only 8.5W/mK, Hyrdonaut is 11.5 W/mK and Kryonaut is 12.4 W/mK. Coolermaster Master Gel Maker Nano (what a mouth-full that one is LOL) is rated at 11.0 W/mK and IC Diamond is only 4.5 W/mK. IC Diamond does a good enough job for most GPU applications and works best where sloppy fit is a problem. It would be perfect for GPUs and crappy fitting heat sinks if it is extra thick and heavy like IC Diamond with a 16 W/mK thermal conductivity.

 

Now we just have to get you a powerful DT to play around with, bro.

 

Still, would be interesting see how this Phobya NanoGrease Extreme work on cpu. If it can make a good job on the Cpu and without much pump-out, I would expect this could be a very good options for graphics. We haven't seen much numbers from this Phobya thermal paste on laptop hardware before... Most of the people who dont use Liquid metal and want the best, use instead Grizzly Kryonaut or Gelid Extreme. + some ICD.

 

I agree. I ordered some from NewEgg to see if it works better than Kryonaut for GPUs.

I'd have to sell my laptops to be able to afford it. Would be a nice thing to have, though.

 

Would be nice if some could try it on Turdbook hardware over prolonge time. With the normally +90C. Lets say +3 months. Some with the well known TRIPOD shoud be the GP But nice you will try it on "normal" hardware Best effect for testing would still be TRIPOD with ****y uneven pressure.