*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

Be careful when using the Ctrl-F Voltage curve in MSI Afterburner - it can end up providing very misleading results as I found out for myself. Using this curve I was apparently able to run my desktop GTX 1070 at 2150Mhz @1.0V, but I found out that benchmark scores were really low - same as stock performance for my card (1950Mhz equivalent). Pascal behaves really strangely if you give it way to little voltage - in fact if you give it significantly less voltage than it requires for any given Mhz then it won't crash, but will instead just lower performance. This has been reported a few times (rarely) across the internet in different places, and I think this explains how you get some people claiming that they're running ridiculously high Mhz at silly low voltages - their cards are under performing when setup like this & they don't know it. Here's a link to a Youtube video I found that describes the problem:

 

Thanks, saw that video time ago, I've edited my curve to gaming with acceptable noise/temperatures (with 27° of abmbient temp, the gpu is maxing out about 67° with fan at 2000rpm), if I see unacceptable framerate I'll bring it up!
Thanks anyway

 

What TIM are you using on your gpu?

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At moment ICD7 but going to change in some week by some thermal grizzly conductonaut.
Plus I've only discovered lately that I can unmount the gpu heatsink alone without removing the unified (cpu+gpu) heatsink.
So my repasting maybe is a bit worst because I've mounted heatsink all together with some ninja move

 

I wouldn't say that. You are getting great temps from your gpu. I'm jealous! Hahaha

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Not sure why you want to repaste, unless you're trying to squeeze every last mhz out of Pascal's boost 2 temp throttling BS. Your temps are excellent for a 1080 already with the IC7.

 

Problem I'm confused about.

I just got my laptop back, I put the SSDs back in, the new one M.2 SSD came from HID with windows installed, When I changed boot priorities to my own NVMe 960 EVO SSD and disabled the new M.2 from load priorities, I'm still getting inaccessible_boot_device error.

The M.2 booted fine but not the 960 EVO, why? Running on UEFI.

 

Go in the BIOS and in SATA options switch between IRST and AHCI modes (to whatever one you are not on now).

 

Worked like a charm! Thanks a ton.

 

I chose unlocked BIOS and delid. What would you choose?

https://twitter.com/EurocomTech/status/899716988909625344

 

What a choice I'm sure it wasn't difficult to vote correct

 

There's no "answer my email" or "hire a new customer service guy" option...#

Fake news!!

/s

 

Stock GPU clocks, [email protected], full fans. Stock run on Fire Strike.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/21715500?

 

looks good, perfectly in ballpark of where it should be.
something tells me the physics should be slightly higher, but not by much, is this undervolted ?

 

What are your temps?

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I didn't touch any settings, the GPU and driver are untouched, just got that Prema Vbios with 203watts pulled in.

 

Just Ran Time Spy:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/21717505?

CPU:80c, 4.7GHz
GPU:91c, max clock 1860Mhz.

 

well they look good. You could easily add 5% to your GPU and never look back, I'm relatively sure.

 

Are these your Time Spy temps? What's your undervolt and is it adaptive or static?

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Yes Time Spy temps.

CPU is Static 1170Mv.

 

I just don't like how it gets hot....I want to try that Phobya grease now.

 

What thermal paste are yoo using?

 

IC Diamond.

Just Ran Sky Diver Benchmark:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/21717846?
Score: 37906
CPU:79c GPU:90c

Thank you @Mr. Fox for the help today and everyone else!

 

HID set mine as adaptive. With my cooling pad, I'm netting about 18300 in Firestrike without fiddling. I wonder how much that would help your score? I didn't see much change when I updated Nvidia drivers. I'm on the older version of Firestrike, if that helps.

I'm going to move over to static, plus I believe my power limits are set too low as my OC, as set by HID, is 4.8, but I'm only measuring 4.7.

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thats high (but not too too high..) temps on the GPU.

I recommend a repaste and replacement of the thermal pads.

 

I haven't cracked this thing open yet. Which pads reduce the gpu temps best?

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Oh I didn't do much except an undervolt, next I'm going to apply what @Mr. Fox has provided in his PDF for overclocking in the TF5, that is and I will chase 5.0Ghz.

 

You go boy... show that little beast you're the boss. You can do it!!!

 

There's a PDF for overclocking this?

 

Is the difference in noise/thermals/battery massive between 1070 and 1080? Also, how bad is the TN 120hz panel?
I am evaluating the F5 as a desktop replacement, but cause I am not really a fan of the design I won't be keeping it longer than 2yrs. Would a 1070 suffice for AAA 1080p on 120hz?

 

I don't think even a GTX 1080 is a guarantee of a stable 120fps in AAA titles, but it gets you closer. Another option is to turn down game details and then you can achieve 120fps with both GTX 1070 & GTX 1080. GTX 1080 is harder to keep cool (from memory in this thread I've seen temperatures in the 70's for the GTX 1070, and in the 90's for the GTX 1080, but with proper repasting and perhaps a bottom cover mod that you can get from HIDevolution you can keep a GTX 1080 cool I think; I have seen some acceptable temperatures for the GTX 1080 in this thread after repasting/mods) . If you don't want to splash out the extra for a GTX 1080, then I don't think you'll be disappointed with a GTX 1070, good cards!

This will give you some ideas of framerates in games:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphics-Cards.13849.0.html

 

lol, we should compile a PDF for this laptop out of ips from this thread, then sell it back to the resellers.

 

Thank you.

 

interesting.

Weird that there's a Eurocom symbol and Mr.Fox's favorite avatar in the pdf. He pretty much speaks out against Eurocom all the time, and they are not associated either. No offense to either one.

 

I'm having a problem for the past week or so with my EVOC. I just got it back with the Prema BIOS upgrade, but I'm not sure if it's related or not. Everything seems to center on the wifi. Symptoms:

• Wifi connectivity is working perfectly, but if I try to change from one network to another, or I temporarily turn off wifi then reactivate, the wifi NIC goes completely offline, with no networks available. A soft reboot (no hard power down) corrects this (albeit temporarily) with 100% repeatability.
• If I try to suspend after using wifi, the system hangs with the screen blanked but keyboard and power LEDs still fully lit (that is, the power LED is not in slow-flash mode). (EDIT: I just tested, and suspend/resume is working if I'm using the wired Ethernet instead of wifi.)

I am running with exactly the same clock and voltage settings as I was before the BIOS upgrade (restored from a saved XTU profile). I have done Windows Defender upgrades but not a "general" Windows update since the system was last working correctly. Suspend and wifi were both working before the update with neither of the above symptoms.

My hypotheses are either that a theoretically-minor Windows update still managed to bork my wifi driver, or that I have something set incorrectly in the many Prema options.

Has anyone else seen something like this? Are there specific Prema settings I should check that relate to wifi or suspend? Thanks!

 

I believe @Phoenix has a driver solution for this... You just have to call the bird from the fire.

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@Mr. Fox Will support vendors/resellers who give people choices... Aka selling decent proper hardware or laptops who is useful and not push only trash. Same way as he supported Dellienware before they went down the drain

 

It would help if you had your WLAN card in your sig like me for example. Secondly, please mention your driver version.

PS: Windows Defender is eating 27% of your PC Performance. If you value your PC Performance, switch to ESET NOD32 like most us performance enthusiasts do....see:

 

I was just saying I do not think he created the pdf, because he is an EVOC hippy and not a EUROCOON... just an observation, but maybe I am wrong, which would be just as interesting, I guess.

 

He used to do promotional material for Eurocom.

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IDK how valid this test is for choosing an AV, by this measure McAfee scores in the best performing group

 

I'm sure I would I would noticed it if the processor lost 27% performance. It would be on same level as a i7 BGA And I have tryed both... Not BGA but Eset and Windoze Defender

 

McAfee surprisingly is very light but has a lot of false positives and the settings and adding exclusions is not that great. Hence, NOD32 remains the lightest and the only AV with 0 bloatware, optimizers, nags, popups, NADA

 

But wasn't that last year, before the F5 was released ?

 

I can't speak for the man, but I believe he had set up materials before they went separate ways. I think he decided to release what he had because it's extremely useful and he already put all the effort into it.

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Can the results from Symantec be correct? Have they tested the Bloat Junk with all the < importent bloat> settings disabled?

 

Who cares, if it has bloat, it's out of the question. Norton Security shows you features even not relevant to your subscription like Online Storage in the UI, if you click it, it just prompts you to upgrade your subscription. It's always in your face.

It has Toolbars, system optimizer, defragmenter, password manager which sucks major *** and doesn't properly fill in your credentials, very hard to configure firewall rules and unlike ESET's products, after spending a long time setting your exclusion and firewall settings, there is no save settings option like with ESET so if you reinstall Norton Security, you have to configure it from scratch. Do you realize how much time that takes?

 

I can confirm this having used both fairly extensively. NOD32 10 is pretty great, much better than previous versions I've used, and their licensing policy is solid as well. Even if you purchase last year's edition, the key will activate on the current release.

 

that would make sense.