*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

i installed the last ( http://download.msi.com/archive/frm_exe/nb/MSI_N17E-G2_86.04.31.00.0D_GSYNC.zip) and now the internal monitor is back, but i cant install the drivers, im with the generic Microsoft driver

 

Good that the screen is working again. The correct hardware ID might not be present in the INF file. If you get an error that the GeForce driver cannot detect the hardware, I am 99% sure that is the problem.

Are you using W10 or W7? A @j95 driver mod should get you sorted. If you are using anything newer than W7 you have to disable Driver Signature Enforcement to use a tweaked driver. Also run DDU to remove all traces of the old driver you were using with 970M.

 

im using win 10, how can i mod the driver?, or a clean Windows installation Works better?

 

Ok that's good. That means you have a LVDS monitor, and the video card you bought must have been eDP. Flashing a LVDS firmware made it work, but then as Mr Fox said, you have an ID mismatch. I don't know how ID's work..if they're stored PHYSICALLY on the card or in the vbios or in both the vbios and system bios ....The Great One can help more with that.

 

• Get DDU and run that in Safe Mode to remove all traces of the current drivers.
• Download this @j95 driver mod (you can thank or give a PayPal donation to Brother @j95 if it works for you) and extract it where you want it.
• Reboot the machine with Driver Signature Enforcement disabled, then install the driver.
• Reboot and apply your preferred NVIDIA Control Panel settings.

That is an old driver that I prefer for overclocked benching. It overclocks better and gives me better benchmark scores than newer versions. Game profiles are not very important to me, but they might be for others. If that works and you want a newer @j95 driver mod, you can install a newer version.

 

NICE BRO, it Works, i purchased the 1070 on eBay for 595 USD, it was from a vortex system and now its working on a msi 16L1
how i can give a donation to j95?

 

Awesome! I figured it would. He really knows how to do it right. His mods work like desktop drivers and does not rely on a stupid proprietary hardware ID like notebook driver crap does.

I asked him for his PayPal link. I will let you know. Or, you can try sending him a PM if you prefer.

Please check and see how the graphics score of your Vortex GPU compares to the graphics score of this 1070 in Sky Diver.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/22488557

 

Happy to report Freyja has arrived back from repair and is back in action. Kudos to all the folks at HiDevolution on a fantastic RMA experience.

 

If 3DMark does not recognize your GPU (due to the same hardware ID anomaly that caused the driver not to install) it will show up as Generic VGA. No worries if that happens... go to this thread... https://support.futuremark.com/futu...ot_recognized_graphics_card_is_not_recognized

Post a link to one of your uploaded benchmarks with a description of your system and GPU. Usually within a week or less Jarnis will update the database and any previous or future benchmarks you upload will be correctly identified by the 3DMark database.

 

i dont have 3d mark, 3.5gb takes some time to my bad internet, i will post the result on a few time

 

here is, with the driver than you provide, https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/22493549
and this is with the lastest driver https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/22493839

 

Here is @j95 PayPal link: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=JDE7S5LPKRE9E

Nice results. Those are within the margin of error running stock. And they could easily trade places after multiple runs because they are so close. Some drivers do much better than others when overclocked and some are unstable when overclocked. I use drivers that allow me to reach the maximum possible overclock which results in a higher score, so stock performance does not factor in. Probably 90% perform the same stock.

 

A new benchmarking toy for you to play with: https://render.otoy.com/octanebench/

This is the Octane Renderer, a photorealistic tool popular for Hollywood CGI projects. The Unity game engine that I use now supports Octane's *realtime* rendering version directly in the game engine. Since some of its best features require a GTX 1080 or better GPU, I'm so glad I've got this beast of a laptop!

My score was 123.78, without any special tuning. GPU temp never above 74C, and CPU used so little its temp doesn't matter.

 

Update on my temperature issues: HID granted an RMA, so the machine is on its way back to them for diagnosis and repair.

 

So I was intetested in this model from HIDevoltuion and I actually was emailing back and forth with Donald about it and asked when this model would be available with the new 8700k cpus. He told me that it probably won't be available until 2h 2018 which seems kind of long to me. But anyway the exciting part is that Donald also told me they plan on using a different shell so it will look different. Since the already use the MSI barebones what do you guys think this could possibly look like? I'm seriously considering getting one I'll just have to be patient and wait until 2018.

 

They may have the 17 inch version out by then... everything is always around the corner. As great as the 8700k may be, it'll probably generate serious heat if it's going to be stuffed in a 15 inch shell... I miss being here as much as I used to could.

 

Well Linus tech tips posted a new vid yesterday about the new coffee lake cpu's and they actually have a new i5 6 core cpu that performed better than the 8700k in gaming tests. So maybe that would be a nice option in the future for notebooks seeing as how it should have much better thernals and a lower power threshold.

 

what going on here @@

 

That pic u just posted of the eurocom f5 is basically the exact same the EVOC 16l correct??

 

I just bought second hand the Tornado F5 with the 7700K and the GTX 1080.

It looks new and barely used. It was purchased in March this year.

But I'm not really happy with the temps. Without overclock or anything I hit playing The Witcher 3:

89°C in GPU. IC DIAMOND 7.

92°C for the CPU. Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra.

Any idea or help of what to do?

Should I repasted both with another thermal paste? (Non conductive please).

 

Jeez that doesn't sound good. Does the tornado f5 have the same overall cooling design as the same model EVOC from HID?? I was thinking of purchasing this laptop but I want something that stays cool considering that when I game I game for hours at a time. Can anyone who owns the EVOC 16l aka the euroclm f5 say how the thermals are on their unit??

 

It looks like a re-paste is needed. Non-conductive... Look for Phobya NanoGrease Extreme 16 W / mK

 

The EVOC IS the Tornado F5.

I'm happy with mine so far (aside from having to RMA it one time).

 

Eurocom did not delid most of their Tornado F5 unless buyer asked for it. They also do not have the bottom cover airflow mod that the EVOC has (since July this year). Otherwise the systems are physically the same.

Delidding the CPU is a must for good temps. I get around 68C max @ 4.5 GHz with -130mv. Don't expect as cool for GPU though. Typically that is in the 80's without overclocking

 

Deliding the CPU is a must if Eurocom did not do that.

 

I have 3 options to repasted as delid looks too complicated and risky for me (in eBay I could send the CPU for a guy to do it but...).

Phobya NanoGreaseExtreme 16 W / mK.

IC DIAMOND 7.

GRIZZLY kyronaut.

Which one do you recommend for both GPU and CPU?

 

II think this machine need a dellidded cpu also at stock clocks.
Where are you located? Seems strange there are no delidders around you.

LiquidMetal at this point is not useful as in delidded way, because the limit stay between cpu and ihs, the thermal compound used by intel is a ****ty one.

In an ideal world (delidded cpu, good heatsink contact, no sub-zero temps) you should go with liquidMetal compound in both cpu and gpu (job to be done by extreme care).
Instead usually, the gpu contact to heatsink is not so good so the best results are with standard thermal paste.


Give us also the price of your ThermalCompound choice and destination use (gaming, overclock etc.) to find the best spot for you

Also make a voltage/clocks curve on MSI afterburner, starting from 0.975v for 1800Mhz, limit FPS from RTSS, undervolt in bios or xtu or ThrottleStop your cpu according to choosen clocks

 

I live in Ibiza so there are no people that delid cpus here. Will have to ship the cpu abroad. I found one in UK with great reviews.

Apart of that i cant use metal compound as im not expert and i can easily break the laptop. But a normal thermal paste i could do to try. But i will lose the warranty?

The price for the thermal compound doenst matter. Just the one that gives the best results. This 3 i posted looks like the best ones buy im not sure which one to try with.

About my usage will be for gaming. CPU i wont overclock; the opositte to lower temps. The GPU i would like to overclock but with this temps i really cant touch it.

I see people with my laptop to get around 77C while gaming. I get 88-89C in just 10 min of gaming.

 

Phobya NanoGrease is the best non metal thermal paste at the moment. Grizzly is a close second.

 

I bought my F5 about 10 days ago. I bought delidded CPU but temps are high for me as well like I wrote maybe 4-5 page back. Now I'm using at stock and cpu temps around 85 °C with 1.1V static and -0,40mV offset. I will re-delid my CPU in 10 days and will see diffrence.
However my GPU temps are really great with only IC Diamond. It is max 70 °C at 1 hour gaming. Also it is stock as well.

I wonder that should I use liquid metal on IHS ? Is there any chance to liquid metal to reach Al heatsink ?

 

Dp

Do you have the special bios for overclock or via software? I'm in stock Bios and can't find the modded one anywhere.

 

No I only have unlocked BIOS from Eurocom. I dont know is there any update for BIOS.
Same version with @Mr. Fox 's video( ) and if there is any modded BIOS , I think he may have info.
I made my undervolting with Intel Extreme Utility.

 

This is the BIOS i would like to have. The unlocked one.

Do you know where I can find it?

 

I think Eurocom can provide you if you asked for it.
I dont know any site for it

 

Eurocom's unlocked BIOS is available from Eurocom only. The EVOC @Prema BIOS is available from HIDevolution only. They cannot be downloaded and the files are not distributed for flashing by customers. This is to prevent sharing and distribution to those who are not authorized to have the unlocked firmware, and make it difficult for plagarists and pirates to steal the work of others and sell it as their own.

 

I have couple of questions actually @Mr. Fox

1-) I will make delid process myself in 10days. I want to know that if I use electrical tape or kapton tape to cover pcb and keep it on after delid, is that gonna make any problem for future ? ( like melting or any conductivity ) which one you prefer ?

2-) Should I use LM on IHS as well ? Is there any chance to spread on Aluminium over copper heatsink ?

 

Ok understood. A lot has changed since my old Clevo.

Is it the same for the Vbios for GPU?

I have 86.04.5B.00.47 in my GTX 1080.

 

There is no @Prema vBIOS mod for 1080 that is available at this time.

 

Is this version I have the lastest bios for the GTX 1080?

 

I am not sure. The vBIOS @Prema provided to HIDevolution is an optimized stock vBIOS that overclocks better and lets the GPU pull about 50 or 60W more than the stock vBIOS. Whether is it newer or older is not very important. The only thing that matters is how it works.

Pascal GPUs are a huge pain in the butt as far as vBIOS mods and flashng mods is only possible with a hardware programmer.

 

Noob question... Eurocom will cancel my warranty if I repaste?

 

No,they will not.
Only if you make delid process to CPU your CPU warranty will be void. Not whole system

 

1-Do not put anything on the CPU PCB. You can cover the tiny gold dots next to the die with a tiny square of Scotch tape or Kapton tape, or nail polish, to protect them from liquid metal but only use enough to cover them, no more.
2-yes, I do. Do not put it on aluminum under any circumstances. I covered the aluminum part of the CPU heat sink next to the copper with electrical tape. I also used a foam dam. I used Kapton tape to span the air space between the silver CPU retention bracket and the IHS. Between that and the foam dam no liquid metal can escape.

Delid voids Intel's warranty on the CPU, which is inconsequential since it is essentially unheard of for an Intel CPU to die. That is extremely rare. Any kind of user-induced damage is not covered by a manufacturer warranty. If you drop it and break it, that is also not covered by warranty. Wear and tear are not covered by warranty. Only hardware defects and failures that occur during normal use would be subject to warranty.

 

I think SVET in the MSi forums will provide unocked bios for modest donation.

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=134259.0

 

I can't find the Phobya nano here in Spain easy.

Is it much better than the Kryonaut? I can't get that one here in Spain.

 

Mr Fox had better results with Nanogrease than Kryonaut. I had better results with Kryonaut than Nanogrease.

So....

 

Then go for Kryonaut. Not the big difference.

 

For GPUs the difference between NanoGrease Extreme and Kryonaut is little or none. For me it seems to run about 5°C cooler than Kryonaut for the CPU. Maybe the higher thermal conductivity of the Phobya comes into play and is more beneficial with the CPU (which would be consistent with other thermal paste comparisons) since overclocked CPU generally runs hotter than GPU. Many thermal pastes work pretty decent for GPUs and not as well for CPU.

 

What right now would you say is the best thermal compound for a delidded 7700k. I am still using CLU.

 

Conductonaut is a worthy choice if you're bored with CLU. Using Conductonaut the CPU will be 1-3C cooler than CLU.