*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

Well i'd imagine no difference since i've already tried the power efficient setting vs the Prefer max.. I like my GPU to idle down to 135mhz instead of running at 1450mhz full time.. I noticed the fan was going up and down on the GPU side a lot and it was audibly annoying to hear that happening.. It was idling at like 58-60c at Prefer Max.

 

I would imagine higher than that on the same cooling parts, especially if you OC it and you dig deep into what I assume will be a 330w PSU

 

That's why I only use those settings when Benchmarking

The Fan's for CPU / GPU are a bit jumpy at High performance settings for CPU / GPU.

The idea is to keep the CPU / GPU speeds high all the time to keep the response time optimal for intermittant loads while benchmarking. In the balanced or adaptive modes the CPU / GPU has to change frequency and likely other internal setup to respond to new load demands.

It's a small delta, but when you are trying to reach over the next numerical threshold it's nice to have.

 

Surprisingly when overclocked my temps seem to still plateau at 81c.. as overclocking the core of Pascal doesn't seem to give much, probably the vBios doing something with power limits, etc.. But the memory at +500 seems to give a much larger benefit. This is why we need unlocked vBios lol.. Surprised it hasn't been cracked for any Pascal units yet.. aside from some desktop cards already having "some" unlocked features.. No progress AFAIK on mobile Pascal yet.. sigh. I think the market needs to be more saturated with Pascal GPUs before we see a lot of people getting more involved in cracking the vBios signature checks to be able to flash them.

 

Dude give them a break, when you are in business and want to meet a certain demand of customers you have higher chances of screwing up. The thing is that they are trying to make it right and at the same time run a successful business.

I know because I run a ebay business with sales revenue of 300k/year. You think meeting the needs of computer nerds is hard, come to my world and try to satisfy ebay buyers. Most if not all dont fully read the entire ebay listing that I post up.

Certain times of the year I just shut down everything and go on vacation from the nasty buyers.

 

Is this on the 230w PSU or the 330w PSU?

I must have missed it, but did you check the wall readings on max OC on the 230w and 330w, does it make a difference?

 

I feel your pain or in our case back pain.

I still have a clevo p370sm3, gaming, and smaller w230ss that I use for a business. The w2300s is small enough and with enough power to run games on the go. This 16l13 will replace both of them.

 

330watt.. I haven't checked readings yet (lazy).

 

My Tornado F5 came in mail and it's awesome! I still want this to mod, like undervolting the 6700 (non-K) and can't download the USB 3 and 3.1 drivers from Eurocom website. Probably the unlocked BIOS as well.

EDIT: I ordered normally and I got the no LOGO version. Didn't asked for it but, hey it's a plus. By the way, I'm from Canada.

 

Excellent. The no LOGO version of the laptop is very nice. People look at it like its just an older bulkier laptop and probably would never identify it as a very powerful "gaming" laptop. This makes it ideal for business situations and safe to use in public because it's not going to be a targeted item worth stealing.

 

The question I have is this really the same 1080 that I have two of in my P870DM3? Those cards are 190/200W and the TDP on the MSI DTR is 120W. Those cards also require a separate power cable. So how is Eurocom putting that 200W 1080 in this MSI barebones?

What is interesting is that Razor is releasing their Blade Pro which has an extremely slim base that has a Nvidia 1080. This makes me believe some company could be developing a smaller (probably slightly gimp) 1080 card.

 

You can get the 330watt PSU for the F5.. and it's probably required if you get a 1080 equipped. The Razer concept is baffling.. but i'm imaging that is going to be power limit hell for that unit. Also gimped, like you said. I said in the Razer thread that it's probably going to be like 15% faster tops than a full powered 1070.

 

No drivers are required if you're running Win10 or 8.. USB 3 is a native innate function of Win8/10.. However, I would also think Win7 has them built in but i'm not sure.

 

@Rage Set @Diversion - Here's a new single 1080 in a thin package, using a 230w PSU, only have stock results to 3dmark11 and Fire Strike

Aorus X7 DT V6 Desktop GTX 1080
Laptop Review / Benchmarks
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussion-thread.794965/page-317#post-10385050

 

Eurocom said that the 1080 will be derated to 150w do to temperature reasons.

 

That 1080 firestrike graphics score of 19000~ on the post below yours.. That's pretty weak.. I can beat that score with an OC on my 1070 :/

 

The comparison would be stock to stock, and OC to OC - same OC settings.

There should be more headroom with the 16L13 1080 with 330w PSU, it will be fun to see the stock vs stock, and OC vs OC plus Max OC vs Max OC.

 

It's clear that machine is already capped out.. Therefore it can't benefit from OC without any thermal/power headroom.. If I need to prove I can beat that 1080 with a 1070, let me know

 

"Beating" it isn't the point

 

Oh you're talking about an F5 equipped with 1080 vs a 1070.. I was commenting on that Gigabyte with 1080.. Which made it pointless to put a 1080 in that thing when it's capped out already on thermals/power.

P.S. I'm up too late, getting loopy.

 

Keep going...

I am talking about comparing the single 1080 laptops at stock, and at set OC values run on each, then Max OC, while tracking wattage drawn

1070 at stock vs 1080 at stock, and Max OC may be of interest to you though

 

Get someone with a 1080 laptop to work with me and we can directly compare. I am curious to know if those 1080s are more gimped than people think or not.

 

Hopefully @Eurocom Support will provide one to you, @Mr. Fox , or another NBR member early near release that can extract good performance from it and compare it against the 1070 version, at stock, and max OC on both.

Or, are you also planning on getting the 16L13 1080?

 

Well depends on if my 1070 would have a decent return on sale. Do you think the 1070 we have in the F5 will fit in Clevos? If so, I'd expect it to sell easy and for a good bit... I would roll that cash into the 1080 and get it.

If there's no resell on this 1070, I might as well hang onto it.

 

Maybe you can work out an upgrade / trade-in with your supplier?

 

Well it would be nice to see Eurocom offering some sort of trade in upgrade program.... good idea, perhaps I can work on petitioning for that.

 

Hey other Tornado F5 owners. I got my unit yesterday and installed the Ram, SSD and OS then fired it up installed a couple games and Now I get random crashes (no blue or black screen of death) just a blank black screen and then straight into an automatic computer reset. Any idea how I can troubleshoot this? Did anyone else experience any of these issues? I downloaded all the windows 10 drivers from the Eurocom site btw.

 

Did you check your temps? Before I undervolted I was going well into the 90c's, especially if not using max fans.

 

is it necessary to use max fan while playing? i dont know who to undervolt or else i would

 

I would say this is worth waiting for.

 

I would highly recommend undervolting, my temps dropped by over 20c. I couldn't run OCCT tests without going into the 90c's before undervolting, even on max fans. It's really simple, i'd never done it before either, download Throttle Stop and look for a quick guide online. These machine's seem to handle about -150mv.

I guess it depends how intense the games are that your playing or how cool you want to keep your system whether you use max fans or not. Playing Street Fighter on auto fans I hit about 55c CPU / 60c GPU so that's fine. When I've been playing Gears 4 on auto fans however the GPU goes up to about 84c which I thought was a bit high so have been using max fans which seems to drop temps about 10-15c.

 

I only installed one game to run benchmarks last night but the CPU was hitting 78 Max and GPU 74 Max on auto fan settings. That didn't seem like enough to cause crashes/resets so I've been uninstalling and reinstalling drivers to see if that's the problem. Any other recommendations?

 

I think i have a problem. After another one of it's random resets, now my gpu temp is 43C with max fans and no application running. That doesn't seem right at all. Any thoughts?

 

Ok so I think I've ruled out temps being the culprit. The laptop still continues to occasionally crash (blank black screen with fans still turning and still able to turn the keyboard back lighting on and off. Or, it will just reboot on its own. I can't figure out what is causing it. I downloaded all of the drivers from the eurocom site and uninstalled/reinstalled the graphics drivers back when i thought that was the issue.

 

Try reinstalling the graphic driver but this time clean the "old" one with Display Driver Uninstaller rather than Nvidia's clean install.

 

Is it worth getting the 1080 over the 1070 if you're running at 1920x1080? From what I hear its pretty much complete overkill at that resolution.

But then would it be worth upgrading to the 4k screen on a 15 inch screen? Ive never gamed on a 4k that small so I honestly dont know if its a noticable upgrade at that size. I think a 1440p would be perfect but I don't think there's any available yet right?

 

@Eurocom Support

Update to what happened with my card. It appears this was a very isolated case and was indeed an accident on Eurocom trying to expedite my Tornado to me as nobody else has had this issue. Another rep from Eurocom has since reached out to me and we have come up with a very fair solution to the problem. I will be receiving a partial refund for the cost of the card and will be paying a separate invoice for the actual OEM MXM 1070. This is being done to allow me to keep the laptop in hand, let me get the new 1070 in hand first so I won't be without a laptop, and will give both me and Eurocom protection via PayPal.

Thank you @Eurocom Support for taking care of this situation and I look forward to getting the new card. I will update this post when I get the new card and will consider this case closed. It seems sometimes you simply need to get in touch the right person at a company to get the ball moving in the right direction and this is certainly not the first time anyone has had an issue like mine with any company.

Thanks all for your support!

 

Why in the h*ll would they put a 1080 in that thing if it is only going to be 15% than a 1070? So you paying for a 1080 but you're getting an OC 1070, lmao.

It's thin, but it's a 17'' laptop. One of the reasons why I'm looking at the F5 is due to it being "upgradeable" and a 15'' DTR.

I was correct in my assumption about it being gimpy but now I'm a bit more wary about it. It's going to command an additional $350 to $400 premium over a 1070 but only give me 10 to 15% more performance. I'll await @Mr. Fox testing if he gets the 7700K and 1080 build.

 

I care less (but still love that it's being developed) about the 1080 being offered than I do about getting my hands on a 120hz (g-sync if possible) display for this F5 I have. It's the number one priority on the list for myself and others, and something I think would make this laptop the 100% complete package. Hell even a 75hz display would be a significant step up from 60hz. At 1080p 60hz even a 1070 is pretty dang overkill in MOST titles. These laptops are going to last quite some time because they're on almost exaclty 1:1 equiv of their desktop parts.

 

Agreed. The only laptops Ive seen with 120hz screens are the giant sli models. Are there any 15 inchers with a 120hz display yet?

 

I'm glad to hear it's being resolved fairly. Kudos to @Eurocom Support for continuing to find a solution, instead of ignoring the issue !

 

Here's a review of the same laptop, with a 1070 getting a *higher* overall Fire Strike score out of the box @ 03:30 15014 ( 1070) vs 14449 ( 1080)... not looking good for the GTX 1080 Aorus model - it needs tuning + 330w PSU!

AORUS X7 V6-PC3K4D - GTX 1070 Full Review


The 1080 got a 19081 Graphics score vs this 1070 Graphics score of 18623, not much of a difference for bumping up to a 1080 from a 1070.


I hope the F5 does a better job of squeezing something more out of the 1080 model over the 1070.

Update:

Here's another Aorus X7 V6 GTX 1080 Fire Strike 1.1 run, slightly higher Graphics score, it's Graphics OC is set via Aorus tool:

Fire Strike 1.1 Total Score 15746 Graphics Score 20634 Physx 11468 Combined 7103

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...0-13-9-15-6-17-3.795060/page-18#post-10386465

 

i dont think the 1080 will be much faster on the F5 vs the 1070. I think the 1070 is rated around 120w, and then the 1080 will be derated to 150w when it should be rated at around 180w. I say it ends up being 10-12% faster at most.

 

Not sure how they are getting a 18,6k score from a stock 1070.. that's faster than a stock desktop 1070.

 

OMG THIS REALTEK WIFI CARD IS A POS!!!!

I am still stuck with this POS realtek wifi card, the intel 8260 is still coming. The router is about 100 feet from the laptop, straight line of site so no wall or nothing in the way. I play a game called war thunder and the ping is at 500-700. I next use phone tethering and the ping drops down to 300 and only 6 inches from the laptop. With other games is the same thing.

I'm going back to the big Clevo laptop for gaming until that intel wifi arrives.

 

Weird I never had pings above what would be considered normal but the range was definitely crap in comparison. The overall speed of downloads was slow but Gaming showed normal ping.

The Intel 8260 is night and day different in speeds and range.

 

Its the realtek wifi card, its complete junk. On my other laptop with a killer wifi card, the killer 1202, the ping is back to normal at 20-40. Another game with the realtek card is also lagging like mad.

I am wondering if the killer 1202 will fit in the F5 but I saw on Amazon that the connection might be different.

I was getting really high ping rates and high package lost.

 

Quick question. Is it worth it to get a unlocked BIOS from Svet if right now I only have i7-6700 non K?

 

To be honest, not really. I have the same processor.

 

There's no definitive advantages to an unlocked BIOS (as of this writing). I still don't even manually specify my undervolt settings in the BIOS.. I still use Throttlestop to control it all. . However, I do enjoy my new boot logo.