*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

I repasted using Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut instead of IC Diamond. I got around a 3C drop for the CPU, and a 2C drop for the GPU when both under load. This was a pleasant surprise as I thought the two compounds would perform identically. I guess Kryonaut is now my go-to paste

 

No, not for a locked CPU. Actually, even if you did have a "K" CPU I would say it's convenient to be able to set your overclock in BIOS, but not necessary since you can achieve the same results using XTU or TS.

 

Hi experts,
One more question :
Tornado f5 is with thunderbolt 3, while Fangbook 4 is not?
Thank you.
Hendrik


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You can overclock non-K CPUs with the BCLK method which would require an unlocked/modded BIOS.. however, while BCLK options are now there with my unlocked BIOS, they don't seem to do anything when you change the BCLK clock. Which is really the most important thing an unlocked BIOS needs to offer.

 

I have no way of testing TB3.0 since I don't have any TB3.0 devices.. but both models are identical otherwise.

 

I forgot to let everyone know my buddy brought over his 4K monitor and i was able to confirm 4:4:4 full chroma 4K @ 60hz. It is a HDMI 2.0.

 

That's really good news, guessing this is the same for the Cyber Power model, they also had it listed as 1.4.

 

how long is this beast will have 120Hz screen guys?

 

Until someone can source the panel from Alienware.. as soon as that happens lol. I've been looking. Apparently there's a non G-sync 120hz as well out there which seems to be the one Eurocom will be offering.

 

I'm having a few issues:

1. Logitech setpoint settings always reset on restart. I setup a custom profile for WoW. Either I have to click the settings and apply every time the computer restarts (in setpoint), or I have to manually input my keybinds again in setpoint.

2. I'm noticing that my GPU is not being fully utilized (1070, using GPU-Z). Playing WoW I notice that sometimes when I tab out (using fullscreen option), the FPS drops and locks at 30 FPS. Other times it fluctuates less than 60 FPS. The max I've seen the GPU utilized is 60%. I've set my power plan to high performance (windows) and maximum performance in NVidia control panel. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks!

P.S. I've unparked the cores on the 6700k as well.

 

1) That's not an issue with the machine.. Maybe check the Logitech forums.

2) Check WoW's background FPS limiter.. WoW has so many options you may have the refresh rate set lower and or foreground/background FPS limiters are set wrongly. And WoW doesn't use the GPU properly.. It's a heavy CPU game and I experience low temps and lower clocks on GPU as a result too. But I always get 60+ fps. Some settings will hurt performance though, it will bring a 1070 to it's knees if you set up the graphics (like rendering 200%) up the wrong way.

 

I have the foreground/background unchecked. It usually runs at 60FPS (have g-sync enabled and both vertical sync enabled in WoW and Nvidia control panel). I just notice it dropping FPS if I tab out which is weird. Tabbing in and out fixes this sometimes, but I never had this problem on my old system running a 765m (same video settings mind you) which is frustrating.

 

Do you have the latest drivers and G-sync is enabled? G-Sync is broken and says the FPS to 30 fps. You need to either disable G-sync or downgrade your drivers.

 

Oooh interesting. I have G-Sync enabled. What do you mean it's broken? I'm using the video driver that came on the utilities disk included with the laptop.

 

Do you have Geforce Experience installed? This was limiting my frames to 30 fps previously due a setting in the application. There is a setting called "battery boost" that limits your FPS to 30. I would double check this or just uninstall the stupid application.

 

I uninstalled that. I disabled G-Sync. Seems to be working fine now even tabbing out. We'll see if it holds. Thanks all for the tips.

 

The newest nvidia drivers released broke G-sync from working properly on mobile Pascal.

 

Just so we're on the same page, are we talking about the 375.70 or 375.76 (hotfix) driver? Can you expand on what you mean by G-sync is broken? The reason I am asking is I am using 375.70 and I haven't noticed any oddities.

 

It was 375.70 I thought.. appears fixed in .76 but g-sync on would half all frames to 30 in all games. Maybe it was 375.75.

 

I still can't get the hotkey button (buttons next to power) to turn off the monitor. I've installed all the utility programs, but nothing seems to work. Has anyone found a fix for this? I hope the button isn't broken.

 

I don't think mine does anything either but I just stopped caring about it lol. But I get it, it's nice to have everything working.. Did you try installing Dragoncenter for MSI? I think that's how I got it to work in the past. I've fresh installed so many times I lost track

 

I think these buttons work properly for me. I'll have to test again when I get home but I remember that it was able to turn off the monitor when I hit the button. Did you install the "Hotkey" drivers? I think it was one of those in there that got it to work for me.

 

Hahaha. Finally figured it out. I installed "System Control Manager" and it's now working. I installed this before and I tried hitting the button and it wouldn't work. I had to close the program first (this time) for it to activate. There actually is an option to turn off the screen via the application, but I'd rather use the button instead. Sweet. Thanks everyone.

 

Anyone know what these are? I noticed they were not covered by thermal pads when I redid the thermal paste (using photos from Eurocom as an example) .

 

Has nobody had issues with random black screen hangs while browsing or playing games? I've been working with Eurocom support and so far I've run SFC then DISM and re-ran SFC. Uninstalled the gpu drivers with the special uninstall program and reinstalled drivers from the included disc. I had been playing a game this time for about 3 hours on auto fans rather than max fans thinking the problem was solved and at about 10pm it happened again. Another black screen crash but this time the keyboard LED's stayed lit and fans of course still blowing but with an ugly sound coming from the speakers like you would hear if a program crashed in the middle of playing sound. I'm sure I'll hear from Eurocom support in the morning but not much gets done because I'm at work all day so I can't do everything he says to do until i get home. Anyone here experience this or have any clue where to start?

Edit (my temps were fine. GPU was at 61C cpu was 65-70C)

 

Are you on Windows 10? If you are, launch "Reliability Monitor" and find the crash event. Right click it and select "View Technical Details" - does it say LiveKernelEvent code 141?

 

I checked event viewer and all of my crashes have Source: Kernel-power and an event ID: 41 does that mean anything?

"The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. The bugcheck was: 0x00000133 (0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000501, 0x0000000000000500, 0x0000000000000000). A dump was saved in: C:\Windows\MEMORY.DMP. Report Id: 1d66a1b3-d36a-46e6-a273-cf911969c467."


Attached is a text copy paste of my WhoCrashed analyzer. I'm going to re install the video drivers but other than that I don't know what to do.

 

I think with 120Hz and 5ms respone time G - sync make none sense it only make it have price higher :/ 5ms is the same with G- sync monitor

 

Actually I've been getting something similar to those issues. I noticed when I would play Total War Warhammer, when I engage in battle in single player, the screen would go black and flicker off and on until the game would crash. I would get those livekernalevent code 141 in the reliability monitor and event viewer.

Same thing would happen in Gears of War 4, though often times I can't make it past the menu. When I do however, sometimes I can play for about 5min before the screen going black and I would have to force close the game. Sometimes I would get the 141 error code, other times it would say nvlddmkm stopped responding, and just earlier after a clean win 10 install I got a "description for Event ID 1 from source Nvidia OpenGL driver cannot be found."

Temps are fine on my gpu, never hit higher than 70 in either game. Unigine, 3dmark, and furmark all run fine apparently as well. I've been scratching my head for the past week trying to figure this out.

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How do you figure 5ms equal the rest of the IPS monitors? The rest are around 30ms. Plus 120hz is wonderful, immensely better than 60hz.

 

I had a game go black screen on me and my machine rebooted last night.. but I attribute that to my undervolt.. but can't really be sure since I'm stable for 1+ hour plus in stress tests.. but when I start to game, it seems the combination makes me unstable. Can't be power draw since it happens with my 330watt. And interestingly enough, if I go max fans, I'm stable all the time but that's a bit more loud than I want to be.. And it's not temperatures since my CPU/GPU never went over 65c for an hour gaming.. Just randomly went black.

 

Are you playing in borderless window mode in Total War Hammer? What are you specs?

In reliability monitor, does it report LiveKernelEvent 141?

 

I feel stupid for asking, but when updating our video drivers, do we use the desktop or notebook version from NVidia? Or do we only use official drivers from Eurocom? Thanks.

 

Use the notebook version. I think the desktop driver will spit out an "unsupported device" error.

 

Start with the officially supported drivers from Eurocom and update over that. You can continue to update over each driver directly from NVidia - and select the driver for notebooks.

 

check on notebookcheck they have info with respone time of monitor and 120hz now is TN not IPS

 

It doesn't list specifically "borderless" window mode. It has a box that says "Run in window" but I leave that unchecked so it's in fullscreen. Everything is on ultra. Below is a screenshot of the settings in-game.

I have the 6700k, 1070, and 32gb ram. I'm running the latest 375.70 nvidia drivers (I've tried up to the previous 4). I'm also using throttlestop with a stable -160 offset in cache and core. Its on the high performance windows profile, gsync is off, and I've tried all 3 gpu power management settings in the nvidia control panel.

I've tried running it on max fans only as well and I don't think I've noticed it to be any different l.

I noticed you keep asking about that live kernal code, is there something specific tied to that?



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@Diversion

I ran memtest86 last night and got about 200 failures in 1.5 test runs before I quit. Seems my problems may be due to bad RAM. I started a replacement and went ahead and ordered another 2x8gb of Kingston HyperX 2400MHz 1-day shipping (should arrive tomorrow) and I'll run memtest86 again and see how that goes. @Eurocom Support has been great thus far emailing back and forth with steps to take.

 

Do you have the 230W or 330W PSU?

I keep asking about LiveKernelEvent 141 because I suspect running G-sync in windowed mode can rarely, but occasionally, result in that error. Gears of War 4 runs in borderless window mode by default, so I was getting these "black screen" crashes once every few days until I disabled G-sync for the game. Black Ops 3 seemed to have the same issue - crashes when using Borderless+G-sync, no crashes using Fullscreen+G-sync. Doom runs in borderless windowed mode also, but runs on Fast Sync instead of G-sync - no crashes so far.

Now, it's entirely possible the issue isn't actually related to G-sync, and I've just been lucky to have no crashes when I apply my "fix". The problem is that it is very difficult to reproduce the issue. This "black screen" issue only occured once every blue moon, so pinpointing the culprit is exceedingly difficult.

 

hmscott said: ↑
Hopefully @Eurocom Support will provide one to you, @Mr. Fox , or another NBR member early near release that can extract good performance from it and compare it against the 1070 version, at stock, and max OC on both.

Or, are you also planning on getting the 16L13 1080?
QUOTE="Mr. Fox, post: 10386039, member: 213711"]I would say this is worth waiting for. [/QUOTE]

Is there any info that this will ever happen?

Regards,

Chrono

 

I am going to be getting one in December for stress testing. I cannot talk about what is coming. I will let @Eurocom Support disclose what the future holds. But, you might be able to connect the dots and speculate as to why we are waiting until December instead of receiving a test unit in November as originally planned.

 

Hmm, I did think gsync might have been the issue too but I thought by turning it off, it wiuld have worked . Unfortunately in my case, I eventually get an error everytime I put on GoW4, recently it seems it's been several days since I've been able to play that at all.

I have the 230w for now, according to throttlestop my cpu seems to be pulling no more than 55w in my daily driver settings with multipliers at 38.

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Is it because your mother in law in coming in December and cant announce her arrival since she works for the NSA? Could that be it.

I never really liked gsync, i think its a money grab by Nvidia, I keep reading all of these people want it so badly that they wait months to get a certified gsync panel or laptop.

 

The way I see it, 1080p 60Hz G-sync monitors make no sense if you're on a desktop computer. Unless you're rocking a 750 Ti or lower end components, there will always be some combination of game setting that will allow you to hit 60 FPS. However, for a laptop, G-sync (technically Freesync) on a 1080p/60Hz display makes perfect sense. I plan on keeping my notebook for 4+ years. There is a good possibility that by the 4th year, I will be unable to lock 60 Hz in some games. In this case, G-sync will be a godsend in order to mitigate stutter and prevent screen tearing at sub-60 FPS rates.

 

Yeah but you're comparing to IPS is my point. I know it's TN. You're saying what's the point of a TN 120hz with 5ms.. A lot is the point.. Way faster response goes a long way with 120hz.

 

There you go, seems like you have a bad stick.. Can you pull a stick out (if you have two) and try a single and see what happens? Single them out.

 

Sounds like 120hz + 1080! Kaby too?

 

I will once again put this stress test here: If you want a good benchmark that properly stresses a CPU and GPU together for errors, use Realbench: http://dlcdnmkt.asus.com/rog/RealBench_v2.43.zip?_ga=1.156789181.744025631.1478635575

It's my go to for testing game performance with an undervolt since it can easily prove your unstable while gaming.

 

I'm probably going to stick with the 1070 + 60 Hz screen... However, if the i7-7700 "non-k" can boost to 4.0 GHz on all four cores and stay at 65W, it would be an insta-upgrade for me.

 

Last info I read/watched said Kaby brought minimal IPC. I'm really not interested in it. The 1070 is more than enough power for me at 1080p. If this was my only rig and I was driving my 1440p 144hz gsync monitor on my desk at home then maybe I'd have an interest in the gtx 1080. Fortunately for me that isn't the case and I have a gtx 1080 desktop beast for that job.

I could have gotten away with the gtx 1060 honestly but the price to performance difference just didn't justify the small savings. This 1070 will last me years.

I want the 120hz display ASAP. While the 60hz gsync is great and it does the job my eyes still bleed for higher response times because I'm so used to it.