*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

Ok thank you Mr. For.

Then both PREMA Vbios and CLEVO Vbios will output 200W instead of 150W that comes with my laptop.

Which one of the other 2 is safer to install? My temps are much better now with the cover mod I did myself and the notepal u3.

Or another way to make the question, what's the difference between the two Vbios options at 200W?

I won't overclock the 7700K (actually I lower the voltage and much better temps).

 

Use the vBIOS Prema selected for the EVOC systems. That's your best bet for better temps and a performance boost. The Clevo vBIOS will let it pull even more watts.

 

Ok great, decided for Prema then.

If Prema Bios uses up to 200W, how much uses the Clevo? Just curious.

Is there any page where people post their overclocks in the 1080 GPU Prema? Can't find any.

Thanks Mr. Fox. Great help. It changes my system and I was about to return it

 

Where can I buy bottom panel screws?

 

hell it irks me now! I want to cross that 20K barrier grrrrrrrr

 

the issue is present only on heavy loaded software with avx avx2 instructoins set, because another task load at 100%(3d mark) is not consuming same high wattage.
@Falkentyne some pages ago pointed out a method to trick EC sensor to read about 12W less on cpu readout wattage, I think this is enough for gaming or benching the 7700k at 5,0Ghz or more (4,8 on 6700k) because in half core load is about 70W(not tricked)

 

Then I think this is my ticket to bench it at 5.0Ghz, I'm waiting for my paycheck to order the U3 cooler from HIDevolution, as soon as it gets in I want to try that offset thingy but I'm clueless if it is a software or a bios settings that you are reffering to, I need to read some more on it.

 

Eurocom offer me send me in email Unlocked BIOS for my Tornado F5 for 65€.

Not that I will overclock much, buy actually to lower voltage to reduce temps. I did with XTU but might be better through BIOS?

Is it worth it the 65€?

 

Unlocked BIOS is always worth the effort. I'm not sure if Eurocom has the official Prema BIOS though, like I do not know that.

 

Wow, a year sure does fly by! Happy to report still own my F5 and not a single issue with it! Works as well as day 1!

Hope all is well and just checking in!

 

You will have better luck searching for GT62VR screws (same chassis)

One of the top results... but expensive

http://www.laptopinventory.com/ModelDetail.php/MSI/GT Series/GT62VR/Screws/40698

 

That's like $100 usd...

Contact SVET on the MSI forums. He is much cheaper I think.

I do not know who supplied Eurocom the bios but it wasn't Prema.
Prema works exclusively with a few partners now. HIDevolution is only 16L13 partner

 

Word of warning, trying to install the Win10 Fall Creators Update 1709 seems to constantly cause my laptop to crash as it's preparing to install. (Blue frown face emoticon crash - new BSOD? I haven't seen this happen before on either my Blade or EVOC so I'm guessing.. ) Wasn't the same error reason either time.

EVOC 16L 1080 + 7700K + Prema BIOS.

I'm watching this time to see if it always crashes at the same percentage complete.

EDIT: looks like it worked the 3rd time. A little strange.

 

(Creators Fall Update installed on my laptop & desktop in sig with no problems yesterday.)

 

FS: Mr. Fox's Amazing HIDevoluton EVOC P870DM3
FS: Mr. Fox's Crazy Wicked EUROCOM Tornado F5 / EVOC 16L-G-1080
FS: EUROCOM 780W AC Adapter (Fits Clevo and MSI Notebooks w/ 4-pin DIN plug)

 

Really salivating at the prospect of a Z390 update of this model next year. 8C/16T in a 15" form factor is insane to me.

 

@Eurocom Support please correct me if I am wrong, but the z390 model you talked about for 2H18 is for the F7 17.3" form factor, which is a new size as well as a new 8c/16t model.

IDK what MSI plans to do with the F5 15.6" model, @Eurocom Support ?

 

Not according to this:

 

Wild, I thought this whole time the Z390 was in the F7 only.

Cool, thanks for responding

 

R.I.P.

 

No, it is going to a great home with @skyFox90 and will kill many turdbooks before it is ready to retire.

Incoming:

• Thermaltake Suppressor F31 w/ Tempered Glass Case - Black
  
• Thermaltake Commander FT Touch Screen 5 Channels Fan Controller
  
• ASUS Z370 ROG MAXIMUS X HERO
  
• Intel® Core™ i7-8700K Processor
  
• Thermaltake 360mm RGB Aio Liquid Cooler
  
• NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti EVGA FTW3 GAMING iCX
  
• 32 GB [16 GB x2] DDR4-3200
  
• 1000 Watt - EVGA 1000GQ - 80 PLUS Gold; Full Modular PSU
  
• Asus MG248Q 24" FHD LED 1ms 144Hz Gaming Monitor

 

Have you gotten any parts yet? Any luck finding an 8700k? I am building a new desktop as well but holding onto my laptop, but cannot find a cpu for the life of me. I have a pre-order in with B&H photo but who knows when they will actually ship anything. Have my case and slowly buying the other parts while I wait for a cpu, and then need to figure out what I am going to do about cooling because I want to build my own custom loop. Will be excited to have one of the most powerful laptops available and one of the best desktops I can build without spending thousands on enthusiast CPUs.

 

Is too early to retire for him, I will take care of it he still have many works to do

 

How comes you didn't go for a water cooled / hybrid cooled 1080ti?

Also, I'm curious about your choice of motherboard, does Asus work much better for motherboards than they do for laptops?

 

Ha, congratulations, I was quite certain this was why you were selling your laptops! Ha, well good stuff, will be fun to tinker with your new system!

EDIT: I think one of the biggest parts of tinkering will be fine tuning & optimising your airflow in the case: fan positioning, number of fans & whether intake or exhaust, fan RPM variables both intake & exhaust, ducting (just yesterday I ducted cold air from my front intake fan to GPU using a cardboard baffle & reduced GPU temperatures by a good few degC). I think you'd want to put CPU Aio exhausting out top panel, perhaps have baffle routing from front fan to your GPU. Remove drive bays if you can too for better airflow. Loads of vent holes in that case, you might want to block some of them up with tape or whatever so you can route air to go where you want, especially around the rear exhaust fan - otherwise it will just suck in air from the vents around that fan & immediately exhaust it out the back (in a tight loop), rather than exhausting more air that is originating from within the case - but you probably won't need to do this nor see that effect if you have a positive pressure air setup, but for me negative pressure setup resulted in lower temperatures. Cut out exhaust grills too for better efficiency & less noise. Ha, stream of consciousness on everything I've learned on airflow since experimenting with my own build this year! (more fans don't equal cooler system, there is an optimum to be found).

 

Can I overclock the RAM through XTU in the Tornado F5? Is it safe?

 

If you have stock BIOS, no. The RAM overclocking is disabled everywhere. If you have an unlocked BIOS, yes you can use it and yes it is safe. However, if you do not have a CMOS battery extension wire, I do not recommend trying it. If you do not have that you have to pull the motherboard to simply reset the CMOS/NVRAM and tinkering with overclocking RAM absolutely requires the ability to reset unless you somehow magically nail the ideal settings perfectly on the first try.

 

Asus laptops suck. Asus desktop stuff is generally superior. From what I can tell, the motherboard I selected is the top choice for Z370.

I wanted a lot different than what I ordered, but I am sticking to a budget. I promised myself I would not spend more than a specific amount and that is where it got me choosing as wisely as I could. Had money been no object it would have been i9 Extreme, chilled water cooling on everything and 1080 Ti SLI. I can change hardware configurations and upgrade components at my leisure now since there is no proprietary crap to be an impediment like notebooks.

 

Ok thank you. I think I'll let it be like this.

I hope it doesn't make much difference in games.

 

It'll still be a great desktop, and pretty much just the same tweaking enjoyment value! If you want to get absolute highest benchmark results though I'd imagine you'd need liquid nitrogen & all sorts of bizarre over the top configs to achieve anywhere close to number one spots, but even so there's more tweaking & personalisation potential in a desktop.

 

I will be following your build, my desktop is good but growing old, 4790K.

 

Faster RAM makes no difference in most games and benchmarks, and where it does make a difference it is very minor. Having more than enough RAM and using dual channel mode (or quad channel for some HEDT) is most important than going from 2400 to 2800 or 3000. The cost of faster RAM is greater than the reward. It does suck to not be able to tweak it if you want to. That is kind of a control freak Nazi move to lock it down and make the settings inaccessible.

 

I have to stop spending so much money for entertainment value. I've blown way too much cash over the past 10 years on my hobby. This new build will be fine, at least for a while until I hit a brick wall on its overclocked functional limit. Then it will become boring like all other computers do, with nothing left to conquer. But, I am proud of myself for sticking to a budget and not spending more than I had available (cash) for something more exotic. I have been a high performance laptop addict for way too long. How long? My last desktop build was about $4500 with a Pentium 4 1.0GHz if I recall correctly, with 4GB of DDR, 4 256GB HDD in RAID0, an ATi Radeon AIW Pro GPU with 128MB of vRAM. Hyperthreading was a new invention and it was all on the cutting edge. Quake 2 was still at the top of the must-have game list and Quake 4 was not released yet. So, yeah... long, long time ago in computer or dog years.

 

Ha, talking of being in "laptops" for a long time, I might have beat you to it (now this is no thin & light panty waist thing right!):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Portable_Personal_Computer
But it was a gift to me from a family friend, he was a major computer buff, and it was my first PC I ever owned (in 1989 it was given to me) (it even had a 20MB hard drive in it, I think 20MB!), I remember adding an EGA card (16 colours) to it, upgrading it from CGA (4 colours, you had to like magenta!), it was barely compatible & beeped at me strangely on startup (but it did work!), although I did own an Acorn Electron before that!

 

@Mr. Fox were you able to find an 8700k or are you in the process of waiting for one or trying to find one?

 

Mr Fox
Our taptops can't work in quad channel?

 

Welcome back to desktops. I built my first one in a long time (a 5 year hiatus) in 2015 and it was amazing. That 5820K and 970 blew me away. A lot of money and upgrades later and I’m rocking the build in my sig. If it wasn’t for my job and traveling I wouldn’t have a laptop.

The 8700K/1080Ti combo is beastly and you’ll have a ton of fun overclocking it.

 

I remember those old dinosaur computers. My first laptop was in 1989 (actually owned by my employer), and I never wanted one until my job started to involve 50-70% travel non-stop for about 10 years. Having one became a necessary evil at that point,

No, absolutely not. I could not find one anywhere. I priced everything out EXCEPT that and found I could buy one from ibuypower with 8700K and turn out cheaper. I did not want a case, so I will probably take it all apart and move the guts to an open bench later on. I wanted to go with i9 Extreme CPU and the gap in pricing was too huge. So, I gritted my teeth and ordered it. I'm sure I will have it in pieces very soon. First upgrade will be replacing the AIO with an EK system to include GPU and a water chiller unit. Maybe that can be a birthday present to me in January if money is not too tight.

No. Neither can all desktops. Only some HEDT CPUs support quad channel. Dual channel is the norm..

Thanks. It is going to be really different. Massive change since it has been so long. Still don't like the idea 100%, but I don't like the direction things are headed with notebooks to an even greater degree. Have you delidded yet? I would normally do it during new system assembly, but since it is coming pre-assembled it will give me a chance to document and share before/after improvements.

 

Didn't delidd the CPU yet, with it in such short supply I decided to hold off. I am doing my Asus BIOS update tonight and will try and get some initial testing done with the new voltage controls. Laptop aren't heading anywhere good at the moment, and unfortunately looking at the vast majority of YouTube "reviewers" and the comments they get most seem happy about where it's headed. Most of these so called reviewers are such amateurs or quote wrong information, its really sad they're able to get such a following. They're infecting the minds of the even less informed.

 

I need to get a replacement fan - anyone know what models will fit? I didn't find any specifically listing the 16L13.

 

Find the part number printed on your fan module and search for it, but this item should be mainly available from MSI directly.

 

Mr Fox. A couple questions.

1) I finally did the back mod with the holes and used the U3 cooler. I get around 13°C less in temps both CPU and GPU with the fans of the laptop at Max. But when I put the fans of the U3 at max the temps stays the same as without fans. I guess the fans from the U3 are worthless right?

2) The Prema Vbios for the 1080 makes my temps to go to 90°C in GPU in Unigine Benchmark without any overclock. With my stock Vbios I get around 79°C. And 82°C if I overclock 200mhz the GPU.
Is it that normal to get 90°C with Prema Vbios? I think it's not safe to be around 90°C gaming?

Thank you

 

I get 94c in Heaven Benchmark because it stresses the GPU more than games does, look at how the CPU is cool but the GPU is toasty, BTW max fans but using only bottom panel mod with water bottle caps to lift the laptop from backside, no U3 cooler or generic cooler. The more watts you pull the more cooling you need. 200w Vs 150w.

To benefit from those coolers you should be in a cold room, this helps the air pad to ram the cold air into the insides of the laptop and pass to the fans to cool the heatsinks in turn cooling the CPU and GPU. I achieved 19401 Fire Strike Points running on 4.9GHz, yesterday I discovered that temperature going up will throttle my 4.9Ghz OC so cooling the machine properly is high priority, I might be able to stop it from throttling even at 5.0Ghz if I cool it enough at least to sustain the benchmark, I'm thinking of that offset called "IMO" or something.

Playing GTA: V Benchmark on Ultra has no problems.

 

Taking it apart and just having it on an open test bench removes some of the tweaking value though - the biggest challenges are to optimise air flow in a case, although if you go with water cooling and manage to have the radiators as exhausts then the airflow is less important. If you wanted to spend hours optimising a PC, an air cooled CPU & GPU in a case gives you many many variables to tinker with - might actually be more fun than wacking on some expensive water cooling.

 

I am not interest in air cooling and spending time trying to make the most of it through optimizing airflow. I have been doing that with laptops for years and I am totally sick and tired of everything being a challenge with air cooling.

I want everything as cold as possible, which is critical for overclocking. Especially important with Pascal GPUs that thermal throttle at room temperature. An open bench makes everything easier and (to me) looks more badass than an enclosed case, even if the case is absolutely gorgeous. I also like Top Fuel rail dragsters and funny cars more than Pro Street class, even though the latter are nicer to look at.

 

Well, in that situation, it makes sense for you.

 

Benching wasn't a good success today, only hit 19022 in FS...........5,0Ghz gets gimped to 3.7Ghz....Cancer firmware or what?!

 

Set negative IMON OFFSET to -31999 in Core I/A Domain.

 

Could be a hardware limitation that is holding TDP down to an arbitrary predefined maximum that MSI though would be cute, or it could be interference from the EC. The @Prema BIOS has all of the throttle code removed, so the issue is not in the BIOS. What do you have set for the System Agent and Core/IA VR limits page in the BIOS? You can try what @Falkentyne is suggesting in the post above to see if it makes a difference. If not, try +31999 and see if you can see any change.