*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

It has to be negative.
+31999 would make the CPU report 20% higher TDP than it was actually using.
That could cause throttling at 4.5 ghz.
The absolute "maximum" IMON offset is -63999 to 63999, but MSI's cancer bioses makes -32000 act like zero.

 

I will try it and report back.

 

I am interesting in hearing if this works for you.

 

Awesome job on the bottom cover mod and improving the temps by 13°C. Congratulations!

1) Yes, the stock U3 fans are worthless, or close to it. This is the case with all stock notebook cooler fans. Honestly, all of them are a joke. They do not move enough air to help, so no need to bother wasting a USB port if all you are going to see is s 1° or 2°C improvement. Simply having it on a cooler with improved circulation will help more than the wimpy USB powered fans they all use. You need to use AC power and 120MM desktop fans like I and @Papusan have demonstrated.

2) The stock 1080 vBIOS that Prema identified and included in the EVOC firmware package removes the 150W TDP limit the stock 16L13 vBIOS has. As a result, the GPU is allowed to run wild and free, with no artificial performance limitations. It pulls 200W+ so an increase in temperatures can be expected. You can flash back the stock vBIOS if you do not need the extra performance. There is a post in this thread with the stock vBIOS and NVFLASH you can use. As an alternative, you can mod the U3 cooler and enjoy better CPU and GPU temps.

 

I game in 4K so the extra power really makes a improvement in most of games I play now. But I'm not sure is it safe to play at 91°C in the GPU.

What is max temperature I can be playing with without damaging the GPU?

 

We cannot get a straight answer on this, but clearly 91°C is way too hot. The goons representing laptop manufacturers like to say it's normal and won't hurt anything "per NVIDIA" but it still sucks because of thermal throttling. So, safe or unsafe, hard to say with authority, but definitely not good. Personally, my best guess would be that it is probably not going to outright kill the GPU as long as it doesn't go higher than that and stay higher for long periods of time. Those are still unacceptable temps regardless of whether or not it will kill the GPU.

Try flashing the stock 150W vBIOS and overclock it to see if you can recoup the lost performance using the wimpy vBIOS. With lower watts and higher than stock clocks it might balance out without creating more heat.

 

THIS!! Could as well use Coke bottle caps.

Is there a solution give @Coolane ’s TDP tweaker mods a try? Put in lets say 180W limit? Need a flasher but temp will probably go down vs. +200w.

 

If the power slider is unlocked in Afterburner you can limit the max power that way, tie it to a profile, etc.

 

Eurocom Tornado F5 Gaming Laptop Review

 

That sounds good.

Where can I find that mod? 175W or 180W will be great to play with and temps should be safer.

 

Mobile Pascal TDP Tweaker thread. Check out also @bennyg's solution.

 

I am almost coming on the 1st year also. You where the reason why I bought this laptop model. The only problem I had was some issues with the graphics card on certain games 3 months into ownership. I got it replaced by Eurocom, so far no more issues.
The next upgrade I will make is too double the memory from 8gb to 16gb next week.

 

Quick question @Eurocom Support

So with the upcoming refresh of the tornado f5 mentioned in the post above i was curious if you will still be using the same MSI shell or if you will also be ugrading that as well?? Im just wondering if it will look the same or if you plan on upgrading the looks of the 15 inch laptop?? Thanks

 

We will use the existing F5 mechanical design and just design new motherboard. We are planning to launch 17.3" model Tornado F7 with similar to Z390 F5 specs.

 

Ok thats awesome. I actually really like the looks of the f5. Im not into the whole "look at me!" Outlandishness of some of the gaming notebooks out there.

@Eurocom Support will you be upgrading the panels as well?

 

Are you looking for any specific LCD options?

 

It would be nice to have a a really color accurate 120hz panel thats hdr compatible for gaming. Or Oled but i know thats a stretch.

 

Does that mean I would be able to buy the new Z390 motherboard and replace the Z170 motherboard in the F5/EVOC with a new CPU or do I have to buy a whole new unit?

 

1 USB port on the left side would be great if possible when you guys are making the new one....just saying.

 

Ya im definately getting this laptop when the new z390 mobos come out next year. I just hope that the new volta gpus are out by then bcuz thats also what im waiting for.

 

will the F7 comes with more ram slots as well as storage slot? 1x 2.5" really isnt enough, it should at least have the same or very similar storage capacity as Sky x9c, having 1 GPU is fine though, iGPU should work too!

 

Yeah that was not a great selling point on the F5. but at the least it had 2 x NVMe which can easily cap out the bandwidth for the NVMe

 

yea, what i wanted point out to them is, it'll be really lame to keep internal design the same for a larger 17 inch notebook. 17 inch is capable to fit more so its totally worth a redesign considering we ARE getting 8 cores in it, a new heatsink and more fans definitely needed.

4x ram slot is a must if it's like this along with 3x NVMe SSDs slot plus at least 2x 2.5" SATA 6gbps slot. a single or dual GPU dont matter much, volta is gonna be so damn powerful anyway lol

 

What do you guys think the f7 will look like?? Like the f5 but obv bigger screen and chassis?

 

If Eurocom can make this happen my next laptop will be from them as well. Really hoping if it is the same chasis we can upgrade the mobo. Hell, even if a service was offered through Eurocom for additional labor costs it would be worth it or some form of an upgrade plan.

As far as panels, a 1080p or 4k panel with hdr would be awesome.

 

That would be nice, 17" model with extra 2.5" drives over the standard F5...

 

Well, be on the lookout for MSI Whitebox's or a refresh from MSI, that's what would come first if I had to make a guess.

 

What is the best way to clean the keyboard keys. Some keys on my laptop are becoming sticky, mostly the left side Shift button.

 

microfiber cloth and some rubbing alcohol does wonders.

 

I dont mean the keys are sticky, I mean when I press on the keys. They are becoming harder to press down on, I dont think I know how to explain it.

Can I take off the key and clean it or will it take the key, or maybe take the laptop apart and clean the keyboard. I know I would have to take the laptop completely apart.

 

Well your gonna have to get creative or take apart the keys one by one.
Keep power off and unplugged battery removed and use air duster and a very saturated evaporating alcohol cleaner I think, will have to get the alcohol in between buttons to break up whatever is causing them to be hard to push down or stick, like organic material.. and the air to just push it all out when some of the alcohol gets inside then just keep playing with the button, or like remove them carefully one by one and manually clean them etc..

I do not think there is any well known secret to cleaning these, if anyone has it, just share please, but my method is sort of what I'd do. Use your best judgement based on the situation you have from observation.

 

more storage, 1 gpu, more pcie ssds, 8 core cpu, 3 to 4 fans, at least 2 fans on the 8 core cpu obviously with a giant cpu heatsink, 4 ram slot, 17 inch. IGPU must work pls ty.

 

The hits keep coming.

Was trying to figure out why laptop started crashing out of nowhere.

GPU fan died. This thing is turning out to be .... troublesome...

EDIT: looks like the desktop-only power draw of 387.92 is just low enough to keep it from overheating with no fan. 388.00 was drawing more power and it was overheating and crashing. So I was able to be fast enough before it overheated to download 387.92 and fresh install it. Probably 388 enables some new features that utilize the GPU more on the desktop, I would say something in my profile was doing it but I fresh installed 388 as well. Looks like it's about ~7-14W vs ~42W

388.00


387.92


Again, could have been my profile, but I doubt it. At any rate doesn't matter the fan is dead.

As of the editing of this post, it's down to 64C with no fan on 387.92.


So yeah, you can at least use it with no GPU fan... can't game, sadly.

 

Saw this video this morning and it couldn't help but remind me of some of you guys here in this thread and what you do with your cooling pads to handle the crazy OCing some of you guys do.

 

Got confirmation from Sales that the F5 will be a mobo swap to CFL2/390Z

 

Then that means only 1 HDD bay.

I am going to find out if your confirmation is true, just for an additional source.

 

Go for it, more confirmations the better. What does a mobo swap typically cost?

 

from MSI ? About 400CAD

 

If this is true then good times to come!

 

Well if you register your F5 right away with MSI within the first 30 days or 90 days I forget, you get an extra 2-3 months of warranty, and also, you can buy replacement parts from them for much cheaper then elsewhere, directly.

Of course if its covered by warranty maybe free in either way, but if you have to pay for the parts or labour, why not get 3rd party to do it for less, and get the parts for less directly.

Like if you have an issue and do not want to deal with the reseller, you can go to MSI, thats whats so great about this laptop. It's still an MSI whitebook. No matter who's name is placed on it.

 

It was either MSI or more then triple the price with my original supplier.

 

@Eurocom Support When the driver's site will be restored? Its 3 week outage already, ah and the gpu driver for gtx 1080 for win 7x64 never worked, neither the version on support DVD included with Tornado F5 (look at driver's .ini there is no match with gtx 1080's id).

Regards

 

Pascal on Windows 7 ? They are technologies that are a decade apart. Try windows 10. 8 the minimum

 

Well, Nvidia still supports Windows 7, and Microsoft still supports Windows 7, so claiming they are technologies that are a decade apart when Windows 7 is not even a decade old is a little ridiculous, is it not? Either Eurocom shouldn't post ANY drivers on their website for Windows 7 if it is something that is supposed to not be supported, or they should put a valid graphics driver on there that is compatible with the product they sell, I don't think that is too much to ask. I guess they resolved the issue though by just deleting all of their drivers and not giving anyone anything so I guess the point is moot. But to imply you shouldn't be using Pascal with Windows 7? Come on, that's a little ridiculous.

 

it's not ridiculous, they extended windows 7 three times because people had so much difficulty moving on and using newer versions, but it is basically out of support, sure NVidia still attempts to try and support the version. You should try the drivers there, because they would be no different then you find on EUROCOM's site, if I had to guess.

Let me quote google :

"Microsoft doesn't plan to stop fixing security problems in Windows 7 until extended support ends. That's January 14, 2020-- five years and a day from the end of mainstream support."


So we're on extended support this time... not sure that means regular updates. Probably keeping older hardware relevant by making it work with latest software and vice versa, but doesn't sound like a guarantee. I am sure you are comfortable with windows 7, but really , there is not going to be a windows 11 for you to wait for. Windows 10 is the one they claim is here to stay and will be forever updated each year.

It is inevitable to be using windows 10.

 

The point he is trying to make is that Eurocom had and old out dated version on their site previously that was not compatible with the 1080 and is asking if and when they put drivers back on their site, that they put the proper/newer driver so when people purchase from them, and go look to them to get drivers to get their machine up and running, they can actually use the machine. Or in the case of them shipping a DVD with the computer with an incompatible driver, is that that far fetched of a thing to ask of a company selling a product? Windows 7 still has almost 50% of the market share for operating systems....so even if you think Windows 7 is out dated, when almost 50% of people using a PC are using the OS, you still support it until it's end of life unless you want to lose a significant amount of business. ****, newer drivers being released are still compatible with Vista. I don't think it is unreasonable for Eurocom to provide a version of a driver that actually works with their product, but instead they just don't have any drivers now so it doesn't really matter.

 

I hear what your saying, but I think going to NVidia would be best to get the driver, since it is supported, it should be fine with a WHQL driver from them.

 

if you need a backup of thier drivers I have them, but I can not guarantee they are what you need, just that they are a backup from awhile ago, but I only backed up windows 10/8 drivers. I do not support windows 7 personally, not for a few years.

 

Have you tried Nvidia drivers posted here in the forum? Maybe ask @j95 in the mentioned thread if you need help. I'm sure he will help.

 

I will be extremely happy if true, but Coffeelake processors run extremely hot once you pump more than stock volts to them. Will be interesting to see if the cooling in this unit can handle it or if the newly designed mobo comes with an updated cooling solution.