*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

This may be a bit of a stupid question, but has anyone tried mining with their laptop? Normally I would not think of doing something like this but with all the cryptocurrency talk and news going around I kind of wanted to look into it again. I was thinking of leaving my laptop running for 8-9 hours when I am at work and in my office mining when I am not actively using the laptop, as I/We are not paying for electricity here. I got an initial test miner set up for Ethereum and I seem to be getting about 21-22MH/s with my 1080, I applied a slight OC of 200mhz to the memory core and core clock in afterburner to see if that helped at all and it got me about 1-2 MH/s higher. I have the back of my laptop lifted and the GPU is running at around 85C while I have it mining.

Just looking for peoples opinions if this is a bad idea and not worth it? Potentially bad for the laptop/GPU to do this too much? Or if I am in a situation where I can let it run and not worry about electricity expenses, then why not let it run and see if I can slowly accumulate anything? This would not be running 24/7 like someones dedicated mining machine, but maybe 8-9 hours a day when I am at work in the office and not using the laptop.

 

85 degC seems a tad high if you're gonna run it 8-9 hours a day for months. I think that kind of usage at that temperature will reduce the life span of the GPU below what might be expected as an average for that GPU. However, it is hard to know what the average or expected life is before failure for Pascal laptop GPUs. It's gotta be at least 5-6 yrs normal usage right? If your usage is three time as harsh/intense as the average user, then maybe your GPU would only last a third of the expected life expectency, which would be 2 yrs. If it's average life expectancy is 9yrs, then you might make it last 3 yrs. (I don't know if usage and life expectancy is linear like this, that was my assumption here - I suspect it's not linear but we don't know the formula so...) Your fans could well die too, and if you're away from your machine then your GPU will just keep bouncing off the thermal throttle point until you come home! I don't think I'd run a laptop as a long term miner, and if I did I suppose I'd want to see GPU temps in the 60's & 70's to help prevent the damage to life expectancy.

(Additional thought: I suppose you could lower the power limit of the GPU to help minimise stress, but I don't think you can do that with laptop cards without using a hardware programmer to flash a modified vBIOS.)

 

Thanks for the input, maybe I'll see what temps I can get it to if I use my cooling pad on it and if it is running in the 80s at all just give up. If I were letting it run to mine, I would be sitting in front of the machine the entire time and checking on temps ever once in a while but I definitely agree it is hotter than I would like to leave it running at long time. I'm almost more concerned with the fans having issues leaving it running on high while doing this with all of the recent fan issues people have been posting about. Definitely don't want to kill my laptop or do anything that could seriously potentially damage it but if I have a powerful laptop with a 1080 that I am not actively using at work, it'd be nice to just let it run next to me and try and make some extra money while at work. My "office" is also essentially my companies server room, so the temperatures in this room are a bit higher than normal anyway and my laptop has always ran a bit warmed in here than compared to running it in my bedroom at my house, so I may just not be in the right environment to try and do this.

 

So, that "cold boot black screen with cursor only" bug is still persistent, even after updating the nvidia drivers and updating the touch pad driver which was causing BSOD, @Zoltan@HIDevolution pointed me to this updated driver http://download.msi.com/nb_drivers/...6-x64__Win7_Win8_Win81_Win10__Signed__msi.zip and I installed it, hopefully no more random crashes!

The cold boot might be because of very low cpu temperature? I really don't know what the heck is going on here, Fast Boot was already disabled to begin with.

 

Nope

 

Fast boot in the BIOS and Fast Startup are 2 different things.

Disabling the BIOS setting Fast boot stops some POST tests and goes through the pre-OS loading parts faster.

The Windows Fast Startup (and "Slow Shutdown") are a hybrid shutdown using Hibernation, it's not really "shutting down".

I disable Hibernation, that stops Fast Startup / Slow Shutdown, and re-enables real shutdowns. Also, you save 1x memory sized hidden file C:\hiberfil.sys from wasting space on your C drive.

Start a CMD window "As Administrator", and use this command to stop hibernation:

powercfg /h off

If for some reason you ever want to turn hibernation back on:

powercfg /h on

Give it a try and see if it helps, if not at least you saved the space from hiberfil.sys leaching your C drive, and stopped the psuedo shutdown from happening.

 

Ah that I understand now, I just powercfg /h off now in CMD admin. I seem can't give you rep again but still, thanks a ton

I turned it off.

 

I was just being satire lol

 

OFF TOPIC: Someone call 911 ... page number 911

 

Hey guys, when does your battery stop charging on your laptops? I had my laptop plugged in for a few hours towards the end of work yesterday running updates, not doing anything else and shut it down before I left and went home. When I turned it on this morning, it is showing at 93%. When I plugged it in at work it is now displaying at 92% (Plugged in, Not Charging). Is it normal for it to be stopping this low or should the battery be charging higher up to 100% or 98-99% etc before it stops? I am going to leave it plugged in today and see if that starts charging, or if it continues to not charge, or even lose more of a charge throughout the day.

 

Is Flexicharge activated in BIOS?

 

I will have to check on that, any idea off the top of your head which section that may be in, in the prema bios?

 

Check in advanced section.

 

I may be missing something but I am having trouble finding that option in the bios. I check under advanced and I have multiple options there and went into them but did not seem to see anything about flexicharge or charging in general other than "super charge works at s3/s4/s5" which is currently disabled.

 

Maybe it has changed. I remember Phoenix video about Prema BIOS, so newer version might have changed the option where it previously resided.
@Mr. Fox and @Papusan can help you

 

Flexi-charger is a Clevo feature to prevent premature battery wear-out from frequent overcharging, not MSI. The only options are what @Lunatics mentioned. MSI uses a hybrid power thing in most of their laptops, so the battery is constantly relied up, even when using AC power. On a Clevo the Flexicharger option is on the Advanced Chipset Control menu where the BT, WLAN, FN Key Switch controls are located.

 

Next feature in bios should be deactivating NOS

Msi should STOP fool people with their POWER SCAM (NOS). A awful/terrible solution to handle power in computers. Almost on level as this Trashware. No reason to use this feature Scam as MSI now can offer 330W PSU. If needed... Put with a Converter box for connecting 2x230w or 2x330w psu.

 

Hey guys, i have plan to change my P870DM to another laptop, and iam considering to buy this one from HID, is it have any issue i need to beware before buy it? Give me some advise please

 

If you plan on doing any serious overclocking, stick with Clevo since this machine won't allow you to draw more than 91W from the CPU.

 

I'm stuck; please help.

I turned off fast startup in Windows settings, and, for some unknown reason, I can't launch into BIOS or boot options from any form of startup. Nor can I use the recovery options, for some reason.

What could have caused this, and what could fix it?

 

Corrected for you (thx to Falkentyne investigation) but we talk of sustained watt, find another 15" powerful enough..

 

Weird, I plugged my laptop in today and it charged right up to 100% with no problem, don't understand why it wasn't charging yesterday. Hopefully that was intended? Or does not become a regular occurrence.

 

This thread still going strong !

There is actually a holiday special on the F5, will probably upset those who bought one of these recently without it though, and not sure if all companies selling this laptop are offering it, but there's free upgrade from 1070 to 1080 being offered.

Though I know a few who took the offer, surprised to not see them in this thread, lol.

Still no word on a 17" version or a refresh of the 15" version yet. I think an AMD version was in the works but was cancelled because not enough interest.

 

AMDs GPUs that can go toe-to-toe with a 1080 from a performance perspective just suck too much power to be viable.

 

Yeah for real. But they were speaking of Rysen CPU.

 

Ryzen in a (gaming) laptop as Clevo or Msi barboones is a terible idea. Not much cheaper, low stock clocks and awful overclocking. If you manage a decent OC (if bios are unlocked and working) for higher clocks like 4.0/4.2GHz, the power will shoot in the sky. Nope!! Let the TURDS have them. Or put it in an desktop.

 

right, I agree, but you know, it was not my idea. Just saying.

 

I really want to try Ryzen and Vega on a clevo.

 

Well, back to square one, same old issue at cold boot, all power configs didn't work, must warm up processor then hard reboot.

 

What problem / symptom does that avoid? Sorry, lost the thread of what you are debugging.

 

Hi, about your 0.900V for the GPU, does it ever reach max 91c? I noticed mine does when I played some games (Witcher 3), it climbs little by little but then backtracks to 84-86c, max clock like you suggested around 1797Mhz.

About @Falkentyne investigation did you do any overclocking with the negative IMON offset -31999? How were your temps and did the clocks hold? Did you try at 5.0GHz?

 

Here is how it goes.
1-Shut down EVOC at 18:00hrs.
2-Turn on EVOC at 7:00AM second day morning (Cold boot)
3-On screen, I can see mouse cursor, but the rest of screen is black, punched in password seems to be ok eventhough nothing shows up on screen, still can't get into windows.
4-Hard reboot then I can get into windows.....

 

Yeah, went back and saw this:

Maybe you need to go further back in the driver versions? Seems some people report a very old version is needed... and keep trying new releases / beta's.

 

Hi! Did you play at what ambient temperature? Notebook cooler? Fan profile used?
TW3 is a really stressful game for both cpu/gpu, on my system at 18°c(66F) ambient temp, notebook cooler (tt massive23lx) and fans at 2500/3000rpm, cpu/gpu top at 80°c(172F) so really similar to your temp, my sytem run on ICD7 on gpu and CLU on cpu.

For clock up to 4,7Ghz is not necessary to trick the IA vr domain (because also on AVX/AVX2 stresstest max wattages pulled are about 80W) but yes, required for higher clocks.
Just a short CB15 for the 5,0Ghz club
https://i.imgur.com/8AXlHyx.jpg
To bench stable at 5.0 Ghz my 7700K require at least +175mv on adaptive..
But temps are unmanageable in long game session or in rendering, I dont like to see 80°c for long time neither on cpu/gpu so cpu is set 24H at 4,7Ghz adaptive +20mv (IA VR domain AC/DC 1/1)

 

How do you get "AVX2" to work anyway?
I tried enabling AVX2 in prime and it doesn't work. Only AVX and FMA3 work.......

 

latest (2016) intel linkpack and aida64 use them, aren't enough to test?

 

I mean I can't enable them in prime95 29.3 (well, not AVX2)

 

Your ambient is lower than mine, I'm at around 24c or 26c. I played with fans at auto, didn't use max fans, laptop on top of notebook cooler with max speed.

So I understand you have your system run adaptive, for 4.7Ghz you use +20Mv and AC/DC 1/1. So you say your temps are good enough.

For 5.0Ghz you use adaptive and +175mv with -31999 IMON set. Do you run CLU and A/C Benchmark it at 5.0Ghz?

 

Will these fans work for both the CPU and GPU, or are they CPU only?

 

Both CPU and GPU fans are identical so they will work.

 

Good day gentlemens, someone use this 4k
display for our laptop?

AUO B156ZAN02.3

It seems that is the best display 4k and it work only with the older nvidia drivers, someone tried to install the new nvidia drivers?
Or someone know until witch version it working?
For what i know the driver is the 378.49, but for my experience i can’t install it for an error ( hardware not recognized), and i don’t know how to solve it. However who have some update please let me know, thanks guys

 

You must have a good CPU then, because I needed to mess with that setting in order to get 4.5 GHz fully Prime95 AVX stable on my machine. Any higher frequency would result in either Prime95 failure or thermal throttling. Yes, Prime95 puts an unrealistic strain on the hardware, and pretty much every other stress test worked just fine at 4.6-4.7 GHz. However, I tend to fall into the camp that says a system is only truly stable when it can pass every torture test you throw at it, so 4.5 GHz is where it will stay.

 

Have a quick look at this overclocking guide where they also talk about stress testing overclocks, basically they say that x264 stress test is likely the best one to go for, as others like Prime are just too unrealistic (have a look at stress testing section, I think they also include a download of their recommended stress testing tool too, x264 - they created a custom version of the tool based around overclock stress testing):
http://www.overclock.net/t/1570313/skylake-overclocking-guide-with-statistics
I personally use OCCT as an overclock stress tester, which finds faults even faster than Prime95 for me, but I'm on a desktop with a lot of cooling capacity, if I was overclocking a laptop I'd rely on the less stringent advice given at the link above - laptops often just struggle too much to cool overclocked or even stock CPUs for that matter during tests like Prime95. Unless your work or playload stresses your CPU more than x264 you'll be fine relying on that test.

 

That's a fair line of reasoning, but I'm OCD about this kind of stuff and knowing that the computer wasn't completely stable in everything would be a thorn in the back of my mind. So I appreciate the help, but I'm going to leave things where they are.

 

Bios should support AVX Instruction Core Ratio Negative Offset(Kaby lake). Then you could run higher clocks for tasks which don’t use AVX instructions. Most part of software/Games don’t use it.

 

There’s not enough of a performance difference between 4.5 and 4.7 GHz for me to want to bother with that.


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I'm in agreement with you on this one, I'm VERY happy about my CPU Thermals now for heavy workloads and daily tasks, 4.2GHz on this 15.4" laptop is plenty with GTX 1080 and 120Hz, GPU with curve voltage to 0.900 is good enough if you play with a low temp ambient and use a notebook cooler.

For Benchmarking, you will need all the cold you can have rammed into the laptop (A/C works wonders) but some methods aren't Ideal for daily use.....

 

Speaking of cooling pads, what’s a good one to use with this particular notebook?


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Arctic 1mm large square pad if you want to spend your money wisely.
(You can also buy 0.5mm if you feel some pads may be 0.5mm instead of 1mm).

Fujipoly 11 w/mk if you're rich. What you get is less than 1/4th the surface area of the Arctic pads.

 

I meant an external cooling pad.