*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

If you are speaking of upgrading from 7700K to 8700K it will take more than firmware mods to do that. Have a look over here for a working POC example. The second thing to address would be how to keep it cool enough.

 

same cable you would find in many clevo's.

 

Thanks wood.

 

your welcome. Should be same cable as the 60Hz panels you see in many. I think it's the same on both ends.

 

I'll A/C Bench it or heck go water cool this mofo! I really don't move my laptop much except when I go to work for a long time, I just plug it down and keep it there in a station. Now to have water cooling seems viable to me at least, for both ends the CPU and GPU.

 

So I have had my Tornado F5 (6700k, 1070) for 1 year and 3 months now, and just the other day I noticed the fans acting bizarre. They would go on then off intermittently like it couldn't decide to stay on or now. I was editing video and noticed it was chugging, so I opened Afterburner and the temperature was really hot, I turned on the fans on high and turned on the laptop cooling pad.
I can still use it fine with the laptop cooler on when no editing and it stays around 44c. I wish i knew what it used to be at but i thought it was 30s. But when I edit video I have to turn on the fans on high otherwise it will overheat. This NEVER used to happen, I am wondering what is causing this all of a sudden, it doesnt appear as though there is much dust or anything inside.
I have never overclocked gpu or cpu, I need a stable machine to work on, which for the most part it has been until now. The fans dont seem to be failing either, its like it needs constant airflow to push the heat out.

Also side question, what is the main difference between the tornado f5 and the Q6, I really wish the tornado was more portable.....

Thanks


UPDATE:

I have determined that the heat temperatures only rise when I have the laptop plugged in... It is fine when I unplug, but if plugged in playing back video in premiere after a minute or two the temperature rises 15 degrees Celcius.

Any ideas what the issue could be all of a sudden? I cant really think of what has changed. Could it be dirty power source? Could it be the power supply? I have the standard power supply. II just cant think of what this could be but am relieved it is no the laptop, I didnt think it was.

 

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but your fans are dying on you. You must replace them now or risk further damage to components inside the machine due to heat.

Plugged in the CPU will run full clocks but unplugged on battery it will run way lower clocks to save battery so less heat obviously.

 

Damn really hoped that was no the case haha That makes sense why it dosnt over heat on laptop, I was thinking maybe there was another reason for this. Booerns I say!

Any idea how much this is going to cost? Been regretting buying this laptop as of late. I have a 10 year old macbook that never had any issues, and now one year in and this, pretty unacceptable for such an expensive investment... I was hoping to keep this computer for a years but it appears desktop like perforamnce out of a laptop just isnt feasible for long term use. :S

 

It's only those fans that die after a year and quarter or so, check Ebay for a set, YMMV.

 

If I recall, @Mobius 1 is selling upgraded fans for the 16L13. There is also a whole tread dedicated to modded fans that are better than the stock.

 

I changed some bios settings and got no boot after. Black screen is all I get. Changed voltage and really shouldn't have. Running the Eurocom modded bios. Tore the machine apart and unplugged cmos, then re-assembled, still black screen.

Is there a sure fire bios reset method that i am missing? Search has not really helped me on this.

 

@micman What exact bios setting did you change?

Try holding down the power button for 45 seconds, then releasing it.

 

Got it, I just rebooted and let it sit for a while and got into the BIOS finally. Now reinstalling Windows which was my original intent. Loving the clean install from @Phoenix

 

Ok thats great thanks for your help!

 

Yeah, it does run a little bit hotter than the 7700k but i do not think it will be a problem to keep it under throttle temps
I was planning to using 8700T instead of K as its TDP is only 35w which should perform on par with 7700k but with lower temps and power usage by almost 3 times lower than tha K version of the CPU.

 

The 8700 @ 65w might get you closer to what you are looking for, even the laptop versions run @ 45w, so you'll want more than 35w to hit your performance goals.

https://ark.intel.com/products/126686/Intel-Core-i7-8700-Processor-12M-Cache-up-to-4_60-GHz

 

what power supply tornado f5 uses? i got one deal for a barebone without psu , just wondering , tanx in advance

 

With 1080 you will need 330w. Some offer 230w with 1070 Who I mean is too weak.

 

Tanx fpor your prompt response , you have any model / brand?

 

can i install a regular sized gtx 1060 (the small one i have on my gt60 ATM) on a tornado f5 or it has to be the bigger one?

 

Evening guys,

I recently picked up a used Tornado F5 and everything is working except the touchpad. I received it with a fresh install of windows and the mouse was not recognized which I thought was odd, but once inside windows still nothing. I did my own install and the mouse also was not working on the setup screen, but I was able to get through the install and load all the drivers via the keyboard, but I still can't get the touchpad or buttons to be recognized. Is there something in the bios that disables it completely? If I plug in my wireless logitech mouse everything works fine. The BIOS has a ton of options I don't remember from the last time I owned one of these so hoping it is something simple. I tried FN+F1 and FN+F3 with no luck.

I also noticed if I unplug my wireless mouse that windows does not have a mice and pointer device listed. For those with the Eurocom model and bios, can you check to see if it references the synaptics touchpad or ps2 mouse and the setting for that?

 

Can a kind soul please tell me what you have these set to in your BIOS menu?




This is off by default with my BIOS, not sure why because I believe it is the reason my touchpad isn't working. When I enable it, Windows shows an error in device manager for I2C HID Device.

 

@rancid

mine by default is set to disabled, and I have all peripherical devices working properly, but I don't get where did you take the first screenshot




Edit: Ok I got where do you took the first screen, when I2C0 Controller is enabled a new menu appear "Serial IO I2C0 Settings" if I go there is on 3,3v by default but with not connected device, so I think the best is all disabled as my first screen posted

 

You guys shouldn't even be in those menus to begin with. There's nothing there that would be of use to anyone who uses windows. That stuff is for debugging and serial/com/i2c ports and devices and stuff, which only Linux developers and users with proper hardware would be able to access. E.g. if you work at Intel or AMD or something, some of those settings might be useful to you.

If you've ever seen those UART/serial i2c programming devices that use a USB to i2c / parallel/serial type interface, then you know what I'm talking about. Those settings are for devices like those. And a bunch of options probably don't work, anyway.

 

@Falkentyne see above, my trackpad isn't working or buttons. Windows see the device under advanced view/connected devices in device manager, but I can't find a driver that will work and it keeps saying there is a problem. Trying to determine if this is a bios settings causing it or something else.

Going to try and install Ubuntu later and see if this is a windows thing. The mouse wasn't working during the windows install which I've never seen before so not sure if this is a hardware issue or what. This also led me to believe a bios problem since it wasn't working even before the windows install.

Does anyone know where the touchpad connects to the mobo? Does it have to be removed to check the cable.

@aaronne thanks for the help. Can you take a picture of your device manager and drill into connected devices and show me how your touchpad is listed? There is a ps2 varient or smbus in drivers.

 

@rancid The bios isn't the problem. You can't disable the trackpad in the Bios. In all laptops, usually all of those advanced bios settings are disabled anyway and the trackpad still works.
You probably need to do a RMA. But haven't you had your F5 for a very long time?
Or did you just buy it? Has the trackpad ever worked?

If not, just save yourself the frustration and RMA. Because all of these laptops are made the exact same way; there should be no variance in a basic windows install whether it works or not.

Quick question:
does it work in windows safe mode? (mine does). if not, then RMA. Don't try to fix something that should be working right away.

 

Haven't tried safemode, this is a used laptop I purchased and it's a long story but no didn't work out of the box. Seller claims it always worked with no issues. I have a feeling he took ram out under keyboard and didn't connect something. Trying to determine where the connector is, but no luck finding it yet.

 

@rancid The touchpad does have a connector. I don't have a 16L13 disassembly video, however i believe this model is based on the GT72 chassis. If you look in the GT72VR thread, there was a high quality disassembly video (in chinese) that was posted by pedro69. If you look at that, then assuming you ignore that silly gigantic plastic shroud the GT72VR has, you may be able to find the touchpad connector from that video. I don't have the link, you'll have to search for it.

Good luck!

 

Nope. MSI GT62VR shell. Maybe look here http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-gt62vr-owners-and-discussions-lounge.793857/ Or google mentioned model.

 

Thank you, I will come through that thread when I get home. Windows sees the touchpad, just can't "start" it due weird errors in event viewer.

 

Update - seller I bought it from is scum. I contacted Eurocom and found the connector and you can clearly see it is taped into the socket because he broke the clip that holds it down. I tried pushing it in, but it is not budging. I confronted the seller and he told me he has had problems with it since he upgraded the laptop to 64gb of ram. Back it goes.. Maybe @Donald@HIDevolution has a used or returned one he wants to sell me.

 

@rancid only buy from trusted NBR users. Buying elsewhere is a fried chip or fried board or broken connector lottery!! Who did you buy it from? A NBR user?

 

Ashamed to say.. Ebay. Not sure if he is a NBR user or not. I also saw first-hand how bad a delid can be by someone that has no idea what they are doing. When I opened the bottom panel there was liquid metal on the CPU clip that locks the socket! The heatsink and IHS of the processor were ruined IMO because it had so much, I did about an hour's cleanup on it and redid all the paste. I have pics if anyone wants to laugh.

 

Sure, for parts, please contact either MSI directly, or [email protected]. I am in a different state than the HIDevolution.com plant and parts warehouse...so I can't just go look

 

never buy anything from fleebay man!

 

First and last time I've ever bought an ebay laptop. I am going to see if I can find a used Tornado or just go with the GT75VR with the 1080 in it.

 

Go with the GT75 Titan 8RG from @Donald@HIDevolution like I did. Superb specs and performance out of the box with the best screen, keyboard, and cooling system in any laptop

Be smart...be like Phoenix

 

Phoenix, when do you receive the laptop? Did it already ship out?

 

whats the difference between the green pcb motherboard and black pcb motherboard tornado ? i read green pcb one supports up to gtx 1070 and black one supports gtx 1080 ... is that true?

 

They don’t even have the laptop yet, they might receive it next week

@Dr. AMK

 

@Mr. Fox Guide that will help me for years to come.

 

I'm looking forward to your review on the performance it will give.

 

Stay tuned. Are you gonna buy this laptop or you are sticking with the 16L13 for a while?

 

If Mr.Fox do tear down video for P870TM1-G too that would be great.


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I'm sticking with 16L13 for a while until 2020. Unless I'm forced to upgrade that is, I'm talking if the 16L13 is going to have a new MOBO with new hexacore cpu.

 

Was a long long night but I made a plastic shim and fixed the broken touchpad connector.

Next problem, the 120hz LCD I bought is AUO B156HTN05.2 but they sent me AUO B156HTN05.1. Does anyone know if these are in interchangeable and what the difference is? I see this model number associated to Sager and Alienware so I assume it would be ok. I got my 30 pin edp cable in today, at least that was right.

 

as far as I know it works... I could not figured out the difference, but same 120hz panel, same connector location, same screw holes... should work fine...

 

If the specs and everything else is the same, it could just have an updated firmware or an EDID version.

 

Ok folks, what is the fix for this annoying blacked out screen issue? Swapped out the 40 pin EDP cable to 30 pin and changed out the 4k panel, everything works fine while installing windows and after the initial install up until I install any graphics driver and then it is black screen and it never turns back on.

*EDIT - Got into safe mode and uninstalling Nvidia driver brings it back. Installed the older 378.92 and it works fine. Are we seriously stuck only using older drivers or will the cancer (creators) update solve this? I never had these issues with my last Tornado

 

It could be the EDID is not compatible with the BIOS. When I upgraded the screen on the P870DM-G to 2560*1440 120Hz panel there were three different screens (all different EDID) for the same LCD model number and I had exactly the same issue you are having until we identified the correct EDID and Brother @Prema made a tweaked BIOS for it. And, I believe that @thegh0sts had the same or similar problem.

This is all a bunch of stupid idiotic bullcrap if you ask me. There is NO REASON for any laptop, any brand, to require BIOS mods for an LCD. Any LCD with the right connector should work plug and play with no need for anything special. Thanks to the bastard imbeciles that design laptops to be broken garbage as shipped from the factory, that's just not the case. Unfortunately, this kind of retarded nonsense applies to all of them. It's not an "official" screen approved by MSI, so unless you get a BIOS mod to fix MSI's idiotic control freak engineering blunder, you're probably up the creek without a paddle. Not singling out MSI here since Clevo and Alienware, and others likely, pull the same stupid proprietary crap with screens and other things.

I'm sure the Green Goblin and their cancer driver filth probably plays a part in making these LCD upgrades insta-broken as well. God forbid that some icky end user might accidentally get G-Stink to work for free without paying the extra ransom fee for it.

The only reason that it can't just simply work like any desktop LCD panel is because they are greedy, chintzy, dishonest control freaks.

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