*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

What a bunch of.. (you know what goes here). Time to ping SVET and see what he can do. I really hate this Eurocom BIOS on this laptop.

 

This kind of [insert obscene expletive] nonsense, in all of the varieties imaginable, is why is am pretty much done with laptops now. I'm sick of this stupid sort of crap. If I wanted a fixed hardware configuration, I'd just buy an entry level Inspiron used on Craigslist for $100, use it until it breaks, then toss it into a dumpster.

The main thing that makes Machete such an awesome creation is the blatant act of defiance and the nasty-finger salute to all laptops manufacturers that it represents.

 

You know the funny thing Fox? I had all the parts to upgrade my rig (still sporting a 4770k) to a 8700k and decided to go back to the laptop world so I sold all my parts. I enjoy the portability around the house in various rooms and taking my "desktop" to work, but it is becoming extremely old that almost every single model laptop requires SOMETHING to function correctly.

Maybe Phoenix is on to something and just paying a premium for the newer MSI's, they look very well built. I can't stomach paying that much for a laptop with a gpu I know will be obsolete in the next 6 months.

 

I know. It's really bad. Yeah, we're all different and some are more tolerant of the nonsense. But, personally, I'd never pay that much for a laptop with BGA CPU or GPU... no way in hell I'd consider it for even a minute. Portability is nice, but they can bite me if they think I'm going to pay big bucks for a crippled piece of crap when I can buy something similarly crippled for a couple of weeks worth of lunch money. Being "nice" just isn't good enough for me to accept the faults. I can stream stuff from my desktop to a laptop or tablet if I need to, but I am to the point now where I don't care. I can do without. My employer provides the garbage turdbook I need to do a specific job that requires portability, so I don't have to use my own money to buy trash.

All I can say is, if not for the Clevo P870XX and @Prema to right all of the wrongs, I would not own any laptop other than the cheapest thing I could find for sale. Amazon Kindle Fire 10 tablet is portable, disposable, and it's super cheap. It does web and email just as good as a $4000+ laptop, and I simply don't need to play games when I am not sitting at my desktop... not that important to warrant so much compromise.

 

My laptop is currently running an i5-6400 cpu, and i purchased an i7-7700. But when installing this cpu it gives me a black screen (not even the bios).
Do i need a bios update in order for this to work? If so, how do i obtain the correct bios?

 

Yes you likely have a Skylake only BIOS and need to get an updated BIOS to support Kaby Lake as well. Contact Eurocom for he updated BIOS if you purchased it from them. You could also try Svet in the MSI forums and he may be able to provide you with an updated BIOS.

 

So why is no one in the MSI section talking about the new LGA 17"?

https://us.msi.com/Workstation/WT75

@Phoenix

Spoiler

 

I've repped Prema so many times today I can't do it anymore.
@Papusan help !

 

Oooooo, nice. Could it be the chasis for the epic Tornado F7?

@Prema svet couldn't help, we tried about 6 different bios files with no luck. Do you think because I got the 5.1 AUO panel instead of the 5.2 model it is making a difference?

 

*Looks at 16L13-G-1080*

Is that the bigger brother? It's kinda of late to the party......

 

To be honest, the only reason I got this laptop and not some other BGA thinner lighter option, was because of the 15" form factor and size of it. Don't think I ever want another 17 inch laptop as I like taking my computer with me and having it on me at all times and 17" is just too big and heavy to carry around. Even this was pushing my limit for a daily driver that I carry 24/7 and if it wasn't for the reasonable weight and thickness of this machine I would have ended up with a BGA "gaming" machine or a Thinkpad.

 

Anyone know why XTU keeps setting the Turbo Boost Power Max to random values? It constantly is changing this dispite me setting it which requires a reboot every time. It also keeps changing the Processor Core IccMax. Is this watchdog causing this? Where in the Eurocom unlocked BIOS can you set these values?

Thanks for help.

Edit - ditched xtu and made changes in bios, disregard.

 

So hopefully this helps someone out one day. I bought a used Tornado F5 ebay two weeks ago and upon receiving it it had a number of issues:

-Would not boot upon unboxing and hung on black screen with no backlit on LCD (not even a BIOS post)
-Removing bottom cover showed signs of liquid metal that had escaped the processor
-Processor delid was extremely poorly done by Eurocom, still had the black "gasket" seal around where the IHS mated to the chip and there was tons and tons of liquid metal all over the cpu
-Motherboard had bent pins on CPU socket area
-Trackpad did not work and was taped to the motherboard connector
-Shipped with a 4k screen. After swapping to 120hz brightness controls were broke along with the ability to install new Nvidia drivers (no backlight).
-GPU pegging almost 92 degrees

So long story short:

-Bootup issue was because of ram timings. Previous owner "upgraded" the ram on the back side of mobo and removed the ram on the access panel side and shipped it without verifying it would boot. I had to remove the battery on the mobo to get the motherboard to boot, I assume previous owner had a mismatch of ram and it was downclocking to 2400 from 2666.
-I cleaned up the entire motherboard of liquid metal. Sounds like an easy task but the stuff is nasty when it gets into places it shouldn't be - IE the CPU motherboard socket holder.
-I rebent the pins back into the correct place on the CPU socket. This took a 20x magnifying glass and a lot of patience/steady hand
-I redid the entire delid with Grizzly Conductonaut and a Rockit copper IHS on the CPU.
-For the trackpad, I made a plastic "shim" out of strong material that is found on products where you need scissors to cut it out. I was able to trim with an X-acto knife the exact size I needed and wedged it over the ribbon cable. This fixed the trackpad from not working (previous owner used scotch tape).
-Replaced the 4k screen with a 120hz screen from ebay and ordered a 30 pin EDP cable from Eurocom. Apparently the 5.2 model of the AUO is sold out almost everywhere and I received a 5.1 panel. I spent the entire last weekend working with SVET and we flashed 6-7 custom bios files trying to get the panel to work but nothing helped. I constantly would boot to a black screen after updating the nvidia drivers and no brightness controls. Solution to this was to return the panel and order the 5.2 panel from one of our notebookreview resellers. I got the panel in today and had 0 issues afterwards so AUO 5.1 almost definitely WILL NOT WORK. I did not have to re-update my bios or mess with anything else.
-I repasted the GPU with Conductonaut and sealed off all the caps around the core. This still led to 90 degree temps after prolonged playing time so I redid it with Gelid Xtreme which I had success with in the past. My temps dropped down to 86-88 degrees which is what I saw with my last Tornado. I also went ahead and replaced all the thermal pads with Fujipoly.
-Finally, I did a hefty undervolt with XTU and the bottom panel mod and my current max temps are now 83 degrees GPU (with Notepal U3, 86 without) with a 200/300 overclock in Afterburner.
-I bought the replacement fans from Mobius1 and attempted to swap out the GPU fan only to discover the included cable connector is way too short and I broke one of the wires going to the fan motor. I am going to try to resolder that wire and look at extending the wires this weekend. I am very pleased with my current GPU temps though.

So there you have it folks. I will post pictures of the two EDP cables so we have it documented here. The only thing required going from 4k to 120hz is a 30 pin EDP cable, patience to route the cable, and swapping the panel. The panel swap is exactly the same as what Mr. Fox posted in his youtube video except you have to replace an extra cable under where the built-in web cam is located.

 

Great jo by the end! With "some" extra work you have a great machine! I have almost bought the 5.1 panel, but finally I did not... what is the gpu model number and voltage? it seems a little high temp to me...

 

Thanks Mat. This is a 1080 with stock volts with a decent OC applied. Overwatch taxes the gpu and this is with frames uncapped. Very good temps actually for that game on epic settings.

The only reason I went through the hassle was because of the price I paid overall for the laptop.

 

but now you have a great machine! cheer for that

 

You order from Eurocom?


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Used/ebay for laptop. EDP cable came from Eurocom. Panel and bottom cover came from HID.

 

So seller mentioned the condition of the laptop ?


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Nope, posted pictures he found on google so that should have been the first red flag. The seller tried to tell me that the laptop worked when he shipped it and after I told him I previously owned this laptop and knew what I was talking about, he quickly changed his tune. Needless to say, the seller was extremely nice in the end and made it right by me for all the hassle in compensation.

 

Good but really pain for you doing this job


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Anyone have a screenshot of their Afterburner undervolt and a 1080? What is the best stable area to start?

Playing with it now, will report any major temp differences.

Edit - Below is first attempt, does this look right? Never undervolted a GPU before. I see about a 1-2 degrees difference under load same clock speeds essentially.

 

No, that big jump in the curve is bad.

Reset the curve and then shift the entire curve up by applying an offset or dragging with Shift held down. Then flatten out the curve after your desired voltage.

 

Makes more sense, I'll give it a shot in a bit. Ty

 

Performance was better, but temps are worse by 1 degree. May need to research this a bit more to understand how to properly set this to lower temps without killing performance. Honestly, temps are so similar I don't see the point unless you majorly downclock the 1080.

 

If only I could replace my 1070 to 1080... that's my only issue with my little beasty atm... however for full hd many ppl say it is just not worst it...

if anyone interested in swap 1070 to 1080 (plus cash) let me know. I have a very decent 1070, low voltage high clock and cool...

 

Think I've hit the point of diminishing returns with the 1080. If I do a completely flat curve like @ThatOldGuy did many pages back I can keep temps very low 70's, anything with a gradual curve that flattens to the right always produces 80 degree temps. Not sure if I am trying to boost it too much, but I've tried just about everything and nothing really seems to help from an undervolt standpoint.

 

Fan mod completed on gpu and... Drum roll.. 1 degree difference. I believe it is because the fan hole in my panel does not aligned with the new fan, but the sound profile is a lot lower and nearly same performance so I'll leave it in there. May take my stock bottom panel and mod it for the new fan to see if it helps any.

 

If only I could replace my 1070 to 1080... that's my only issue with my little beasty atm... however for full

Pls share some info how to do it... I have not tried these kind of tweaks so far... what progs do I need, how to do

 

It is a physical mod. I wouldn't attempt it unless you can solder, these wires are too thin for wire connectors IMO: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/msi-16l13-eurocom-tornado-f5-fan-modifications.810712/ has the full write-up with pics.

 

Thx I will check...

 

I'm really considering getting the newer GPU 1180 GTX for my laptop, that will be a bigger boost from a 1080 GTX.

 

Chances of the newer cards working in this laptop.. Slim IMO.

 

Don't hold your breath hoping that they will be compatible with existing expansion slots, etc.

 

For those that are running clocks of 4.5-4.6ghz, what are your load temps with the high performance profile in Windows 10 Creators edition? My temps are spiking low 80's (like 84) for 4.6ghz, but if I run balanced they are right around 69-71C which is what I remember my last unit running at. I've repasted 4x and am starting to think this copper IHS is causing heat issues, unfortunately I threw away the stock intel one on accident.

Edit - scratch that, even balanced profile is showing 84 degree temps with a 4.6 overclock. Something is definitely up it seems.

 

I was going to write a post about copper IHS... 3 out 4 were bad, low quality made, uneven surface inside and outside, deeper core carve etc...
I bought from ebay from a polish seller, I would not recommend these ones... I have no experiences with RockIt, however I lost my faith in special IHSes... too much fuss for a couple of C....

My machine runs 4,6Ghz 80C max on 100% load (gpu also 100%) under COD WW2. If I load only the CPU it remains around 75-76C. However my chip is pretty common, it needs 1,255V for 4,6Ghz... my previous chip needed 1,18V

ps: I will write my comments on copper IHS w/ pics...

 

Yees. Post also brand name and link to the manufacturer + link to the sales site(s). Pictures as well. Thanks.

 

Both of you have some positive thoughts, true I won't hold my breath, but if it doesn't come around then I'll look even at AMD compatible GPUs with higher performance than GTX 1080?

 

Argh, somehow today I lost my BIOS settings needed a full reset to make laptop work, such a tedious thing to do.

Edit: If anyone wants to try these settings for low temps on Tornado F5/EVOC just follow the steps from the attached file, credit to @Mr. Fox . Set in CORE AR/VR Menu AC Loadline & DC Loadline to 1 (thanks to @Falkentyne)

I'm running 4.2GHz on all cores with static override of 1120Mv, 0 +offset.

Run Cinebench multicore, 920 score with max temp of 78c.

For GPU just use the curve to set it to 0.950/0.900v.

Happy daily grinding =D

 

Anyone have a stock Intel ihs that works with a 7700k they want to sell?

 

Is that on balanced or performance profile?

 

performance

 

Thanks. I found a spreader from a 7th gen i3 I am going to swap to. I am convinced the copper heatsink due to the size is causing the laptop hest discipation issues which is raising temps, in conjunction with it not sitting right on the core as the stock one does.

I will post before and after temps for those interested.

 

"Count to four. Inhale. Count to four. Exhale." - BJ Blazkowicz

Long story short, I have posted many comments on my bad temps of my 7700k, after I managed to open the delided cpu, I have also posted some pics about the bad delid I realized... After that in order to have a well prepared and max out chip, I have bough from ebay this copper IHS.

A friend of mine has prepared the chip for "relid", cleaned the previous CLU from the chip, remade with TGC, and put the copper IHS on the chip. As he is a very skilled guy regarding this, I have also asked him to relid my second desktop PC 7700k with copper IHS (I have bought 2 pieces) . After his help, I expected to have two very good chips, repasted with TGC, lidded with copper IHS in order to have good temps and full performance (both chips are great, one can do 5ghz@1,3V, the other one was in the my MSI16Lx 4,7Ghz@1,21V).

The - let us say - 4,7Ghz went to my clevo p775dm3, the other in my desktop build (small itx case with custom water, so it is difficult to assemble). When I switch on the clevo, after 5 sec both fans were running on max rpm, which was strange to me... quick check on hwinfo, and almost all core temps were 95C-100C...

I have disassembled the laptop to check if the heatsink was put on properly, but it was perfectly assembled. After that I have disassembled my pc in order to check that cpu as well.. I was suspicious that it could be bad delid (but the guy is pretty advanced or the new IHS).... - unfortunately I have not taken photo as the temps were so scary I have switched off the laptop immediately

Here is the pic of the second chip - of course without any OC! I have also checked the BIOS immediately if there is any issue with OC, voltage etc, but nothing.





Here one core - and interestingly the second was too hot! So long story short, I have measured the IHS, and nothing was OK. The middle carved part was 0,5mm deeper than the original IHS. If you see the "glue" is thin as a paper, and even without glue, the chip does not reach properly the IHS. (this was the first IHS). For the second IHS - where one core was hotter than the other - there were spiral shape carves for the chip, which resulted in also bad contact.

Lesson learnt, too much fuss for a couple of C.... beside I have wasted almost 50EUR for the two IHSes, I have also wasted a lot of time for nothing. I have received my cpus back with the original IHS, I will share with you the results, especially that cpu which was badly delided. It could be interesting to see the temp difference with a properly pasted chip. No more aftermarket IHS for me

Cheers,

 

Which IHS it was ?


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Open ebay link in the post... cheers

 

anybody has (not only MSI owner) got any experiences with the new FHD 144HZ GSYNC screen? Is it IPS I guess, any experiences how fast it is? I am considering to upgrade to clevo p775tm1, and it comes with that screen... I will also keep my chimei FHD 120hz just to be sure

 

@matyee Doesn't the 775tm have thermal issues? I would just wait on the new GPUs to come out before upgrading unless you can get a good deal on your 16L.

 

I will just say that I swapped from my copper Rockit IHS to a standard Intel (used one from a broken i3 chip I delided) and the temps are identical. The one thing that is different is heat does not seem to build up directly over the palm rest area with the stock intel one like the full copper IHS which is really interesting. I also tried conductonaut on both IHS and the temps were only 1-2 degrees lower than using Phobya Extreme or Grizzly Kryonaut on my heatsink so I either have a contact problem or it is just not worth it in this laptop to deal with LM on the IHS.

 

I would like to upgrade my clevo p775dm3 there is no way to sell my MSI16Lx I love this machine the most!!! I am looking for to upgrade the 1070 to 1080, I know it is not easy, but definately want to keep it