*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

Great, I cannot wait I have just listed my F5, cause I have bought a TM1... good Lord If I knew this a couple of weeks ago...

 

If it was me I'd take the listing down lol, your not gonna find such a thin laptop with these specs, its literally unreal!

Plus I like the look of the laptop, it doesn't stand out as a gaming laptop which is what I like.

 

I will sell it, furthermore I will sell my tm1 as well, keep the 775 with 1060 not gaming anymore, and I hope 775dm3 could be also bios modded for 8700k sooner or later

 

Turns out that the 1BE1 card actually has g-sync whilst the other 1BA1 does not.

 

@Falkentyne Sadly none of these vbioses make the lcd turn on, there is no backlight. Its like the lcd is dead completely. I'm leaning towards a motherboard or cable issue.
Which one is more likely though?

 

I uploaded the non gsync vbios. You didn't try it yet??

 

Yep tried it from another thread you replied on.

I think that this card doesn't have g sync, the laptop was made for a g sync card though.

I have ordered a gt83vr gtx 1070 with sli connector for my clevo P870dm-g when that comes I will see if it boots, or I could get another lcd and test it on the laptop as both of my lcds have g sync.
I will test the other 30 pin lcd first though.

 

Hi Guys,
Does somebody know the size of the F5's box and approx weight with 330W charger? I would like to order the shipment for my laptop (sold ) but I am in my working office, so cannot measure the box and weight. Thx for the help in advance

 

775dm3 can run 8700k or 8086k with hyper thread now , and soon it can run 9900k too.

 

Thank you for the bios mod, my 8600k works perfectly!
Although, my internal lcd doesn't work, I need a stock eurocom tornado f5 gtx 1070 vbios to see if it comes back on, if the lcd doesn't work after that this lcd cable or motherboard is gone.

@matyee do you still have the stock vbios?

 

Hi,
I apologize that I have not reported back, I do not have the 1070 vbios unfortunetely, I have many 1080 vbioses (my backups as well) however I have not kept the 1070's vbios

 

No worries, I may need to replace motherboard. I can order from taobao and ship here for £150 but before I try I will wait for the other gtx 1070 I ordered for my P870dm-g.
Thanks for letting me know though, it's amazing what this small laptop can handle. My tdp for the 8600k goes upto 110w and my laptop overclocks to 4.7ghz stable on a 0.050mw undervolt!
Its on par with a ryzen 1600 in multicore, maybe 1-2% difference but offers significantly higher single core performance. Shows you that you don't need 12 threads to get the job done lol.

Benchmarks coming soon!

 

you can try clevo mxm vbios too. they also work.
non-gsync or gsync? i can send you too. vbios can be flashed by spi programmer , but perhaps you need convert 3.3v to 1.8v first.

 

Thank you bro, I already have the tools, skypro is actually the best it supports every chip. I flashed a tdp modded vbios onto gtx 1070 to allow upto 200w.
I will try the vbioses that you will link, thank you again for your help bro.

 

Delidded:



Will do some benchmarks now...

 

Looking forward to the benchmarks!

I have my programmer on the way for delivery today and I am headed out to pick up an 8600K later. Soon my F5 will be CFL 8600K.

 

Is it worth going 7700K to 8600K, because you're decreasing threads from 8 to 6 even though you are gaining 2 real cores. I would think performance would be very similar between the two? 7700K to 8 700K is a clear upgrade though.

 

I think depending on the game the 8600K delivers more FPS?

 

I've had a look at a few reviews online (not just the guru3d ones below). In some games 8600K is marginally faster, in some games 7700K is marginally faster. Guru3d reviews show for CPU performance 8600K & 7700K trading blows: 7700K wins Handbrake/Wprime, Firestrike CPU about the same, Timespy CPU a win for 8600K, Corona Ray Tracing slight win for the 7700K - there's just nothing in it between the 2 CPUs, so I'm surprised that folks are 'upgrading' (more like side-grading) to 8600K - I don't see the value in it?
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/intel_core_i5_8600k_processor_review,12.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_7700k_processor_review_desktop_kaby_lake,11.html
8 700K would be the one to upgrade to, assuming you can keep it cool & provide it enough power.

 

The thing is that the 8600k has higher overclocking headroom and actually runs cooler than kaby lake processors.
The 8600k is slightly to much better in games when compared to the 7700k, in benchmarks its virtually a tie. BUT when the 8600k is overclocked it pulls through quite a bit ahead even at a mere 4.5ghz oc. The best thing is I have the core undervolted whilst overclocked so there is no thermal throttling or power limit throttling. At this frequency it can lead at anywhere from 5 to 15% in games and benchmarks.
Programs that favour extra threads will of course run slightly better or similarly with the 7700k when compared to the 8600k overclocked.

 

Well if it really does run cooler and at higher clocks than the 7700K, then that's a win...especially in your notebook where thermal constraints are more real. It'll be interesting to see what kind of differences you can achieve with 7700K vs 8600K once you folks have them up & running. I'm still thinking the 8700K would be the one to get though to see a proper difference to 7700K - unless that runs too hot.

 

Most likely the 8700k can be used but will definitely need delidding like mine, I could not even stress my cpu at load and it was throttling instantly just like a core i9 15 MacBook lol.

 

Are you using an 8700K or 8600K mafia? I was thinking with the 9900K coming out I may just wait and take my cherry 8700K out and put it in the laptop. I am under the impression HT isn't working at the moment, but will the 8700K still boot with just the 2 pads isolated and just not have HT.

 

You can get the 8700k if you want but for me the 8600k is the best price to performance ratio. The 8600k can overclock HIGH up to 4.9ghz I got stable.

The choice is up to you, without hyperthreading enabled both 8700k and 8600k are in arms reach.

 

Nice, do you have any benchmarks yet? Maybe a cinebench run at stock and overclocks with HWINFO64 up showing loads, temps, power consumption etc. I am very interested in that!

 

Coming right up in 20 minutes.

 

Seems like you guys are in for a treat, this i5 8600k really is something at 4.5GHz!




Considering a i7 8700k gets a stock score of 1400cb with 12 threads this really is not a bad score!

@Papusan what do you think?

 

Ah, well if HT is not working, then no point getting the 8700K then - 8600K would be as good as it gets.

Nice Cinebench score. That score is within reach for a 7700K though, but not sure if within reach with 7700K in Tornado - maybe 7700K runs too hot when achieving that same Cinebench score. Given the score I get on my desktop 6700K in Cinebench then you'd need probably need around 4.9 Ghz on a 7700K to get 1100 Cinebench score.

 

Yep, you actually need at least 5ghz to get the score I got, I'm only hitting 4.5ghz and that's with an under volt. Tdp is significantly decreased from 109w on load to only 92w and its stable only reaching 79c on max load!
This chip runs cool, it's frosty literally.

 

Nice! I definitely haven't been able to hit that score with my 7700K even at near 5.0Ghz and definitely not that cool. I am curious what temps you see under gaming loads in BF1 or Siege.

 

I may have got lucky with this chip then because it runs very cool, plus the same undervolt works at 4.7ghz too, this chip is insane.

 

Are those temps with delid or stock?

 

Delidded with conductunaut metal paste on the ihs and die, I covered the 4 metal contact pins closest to the die just incase any metal paste spills over.

 

Last benchmark:


So my internal display is detected, why isn't it showing up?

 

Eurocom Tornado F7? Up and running with 8700K 6 cores and 12 threads working great. Just testing things out and making sure all is well.

@Mr. Fox @Papusan

@dsanke --he is a god among mortals. Huge thanks to him for getting this working!

 

https://imgur.com/a/7mABj4Y

First run/stab in the dark. Obviously underclocked to start testing and make sure as is well. Looking good!

 

If you want a higher CPU score you might need to tweak your RAM. I get 5950 CPU score with my 4 core 6700K at 4.6GHz, which I'm surprised is 13% higher than your score there. Assuming your CPU wasn't throttling & you had no excessive background tasks running, then that must all come down to RAM speed & tuning. I also have cache at 4.6 Ghz too, so that might play a factor. 8600K scores higher than 7700K in Timespy CPU score according to Guru3d, so the potential is in there somewhere.

EDIT: yeah, I think my CPU performance in Timespy is an anomoly, it must be my high cache frequency and fast/tight RAM; 8600K in guru3d review scores 5785:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/intel_core_i5_8600k_processor_review,16.html

You might want to look into why your score was that low for 4.5Ghz, because Guru3d were only at 4.1Ghz for their 5785 score in Timespy CPU score on their 8600K.

Cool, how come you scored so much higher than DaMafiaGamer's 8600K when you don't have HT enabled, his CPU was also 4.5Ghz compared to your 4.2Ghz, and you scored 23% higher?! => debunked!

 

He has HT Enabled.

 

Ha, silly me! I did look at his HWInfo, and actually looked at the number of cores, but my brain glitched & I saw only 6 rather than 12!

 

@Talon, are you gonna do some game testing to compare performance 7700K vs your 8700K? (once you have finalised your tweak on your 8700K) BF1 might be interesting if you're running over 100fps - Amiens map (highest CPU usage map)!

 

LOL already tested that exact game and map. Temps at 4.2Ghz were around 65C all cores on initial shot in dark -150mV offset mode. FPS were higher and overall smoothness of the game was insane. This chip even at lower clocks is 100% worth it. My 7700K at 4.2Ghz was same temps.

 

That's great! I specifically mentioned BF1 with Amiens map as in all my games it's the worst case scenario from a CPU load point of view, so figured it would give your 8700K the best shot at seeing a difference.

 

https://imgur.com/a/l7wTiQ3



The F5 can't handle it they said, it will overheat they said. What a beast and I've barely scratched the surface tonight. It's near 3am, I think I'll call it and resume tomorrow.

Edit: Updated Score again.

 

Wow! Based on my experiences with 751TM1 (not too much so far) I dont think F5 cannot keep up! 8700k is amazingly cool compared to 7700k. Almost all sample goes on 4,7Ghz all core stock or even undervolt, and it is resulted in lower temps than 7700k. I think similar clock can be manageable by f5, however I am still not familiar with consumption... however if 1080 is limited to 150-160W even OC's 8700k cannot be an issue. All in all the beast rises again, huge improvement for it! Cannot wait test results to see. Unfortunately I sold as I do not play, however I will keep my eyes on this project, who knows when I cannot stand buying another one

 

Last night I was testing 4.8Ghz overclock at offset mode -275mV Core and -200mV Cache.

 

this signature looks F!%/%ing awesome:

EUROCOM Tornado F5 | i7 8700k | Nvidia 1080 GTX | 120hz Lcd | 16GB Vengeance 3000cl16 | 256GB Evo 850+m2 128GB+256GB | 330W | Intel AC-7265

 

I'm saving my 8700k for the beast laptop I have which is the p870dmg.

I'll have two gtx 1070s and an overclocked 8700k in that laptop. That will be a crazy spec, especially because there are no limits to that system and I'm talking about cpu tdp going up to 150w with no issues with heat or power.
Not to mention each mxm slot can handle 250w on max load!

 

I agree, I've updated my signature! I think I have the most powerful 15.6" laptop CPU wise at this point haha.

 

I am considering pretty much to move my 8700k to my 775dm3. With 1080 it can go up to 200W, the F5 is not really able to handle that heat...

anyways, these new modded bioses open new era for z170 owners, no matter you have clevo / f5! let's cheer for that

 

For me it's 9900K or BUST.
That's what I want.
4 cores are boring. I am so glad I didn't jump on the 8086K scam @Papusan
Now I'll get 9900K and hopefully a Clevo with a 1180. I'll only get a P870 TM1 + 9900K (if confirmed working by @Donald@HIDevolution and Prema) if the MXM 1180 cards are delayed until next decade. Otherwise I'll wait for the 1180 version. Pascal is boring. But you know MORE TDP locked silliness.

You can't do shunt mods to MXM cards, right? Because of space clearance issues?