*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

Won't be called P870TM1

 

Intel is at it again with their marketing shenanigans.....supposedly the next gen i7 will lack hyperthreading, with this feature reserved for the i9......unbelievable that the i7-9700K won't have HT! with the 8 core /16 threads now marketed as an i9-9900K with the obvious premium attached to the naming scheme.

 

Guys I will be tearing the laptop down and removing my 8700K later today/tonight and replacing the 7700K. It’s a freaking beast and runs cooler than my 7700K but my desktop needs its chip back until the 9000 series comes out.

Any tests anyone wants to see before then?

 

Yep I'd stick to coffee lake i7 because of that stupid decision. I wish amd laptops with desktop chips were made, we wouldn't have this issue of modding every few years then. As they seem to keep their socket design for longer than Intel can.

 

I saw it come with the i9-8950Hk BGA SCAM. Remember that +$200 usd on top feature “Thermal Velocity Boost “? Worked up to 50C degrees CPU temp. Allmost none can use it. At least we won’t have to pay $600 for coming 8 core i9-9900K

 

What does the 8950HK put down in terms of performance and temps on the top overclocked end?

 

Depends on how crippled the cooling is. Default clocks should be the goal Or better say the target!! With max boost, not base clocks frequency!!
It’s time to call out laptop manufacturers for their ******** CPU throttling
Exactly what I have said several times latest years...

Btw. Not record this time either for stock clocked 8700K but 1460cb is still a nice Cinebench R15 score for stock clocks


Btw. Tested with [email protected] BGA clocks. The Cinebench R15 score + temps will only be a wet dream for the i7-8750H BGA owners

 

I didn't even break 58C at 43x (default all core multis) on my 8700K in my F5 and put down over 1420CB. The F5 reigns supreme again in the 15" segment. Watching the linus tech tips video with that Asus laptop is sad.

 

For me... i7-6700K → i7-7700K and now i7-8700K in same old Clevo P870 chassis from 2015. If I was crazy enough and bought BGA in 2015 I would still be massively screwed with awful fully locked down i7-7700Hq BGA Crap running 3.1GHz on all 4 cores or an overheating unlocked i7-6820Hk running max clocks around 3.9GHz. In best case maybe 4.3GHz if I was lucky in the BGA lottery if not the chips already lived it’s life in the dustbin with the flimsy chassis long time ago. Not home here but in the garbage disposal soptipp

 

I'm returning my eurocom tornado f5 to the seller due to the display issue gonna flash the original bios. It was a good run lol.

Thanks for @dsanke providing me the P870dm-g coffee lake bios as always. Hope I have better luck with that.

 

https://imgur.com/a/ONmWPZN

Tornado F5 with an 8700K at 5.0Ghz all cores.

This is within spitting distance of my desktop score.

 

Run without Hwinfo and push for higher scores

1 bin lower. [email protected]



$600 usd i9-8950Hk Yeah, it's called i9

 

Nice! Max package power during that run?

 

How did you bypass the 95W tdp limit? Power limit overrides in the 16L13 don't do anything (verified by many users).
Does the "unsupported" CPU play havoc with the EC and allow Bios power limit overrides to work?

 

I had to use your bypass trick . Around 4.8Ghz the laptop will say nope and throttle down and ignore my power limit overrides. Although if you lie to it about its power draw then it's open season as you know.

 

You mean the IMON SLOPE=50 and IMON OFFSET = (negative) 31999 ?

 

Yes sir. Works great for quick benchmark runs.

 

Yeah, 4.8 is around 102-105w And I expect you will see +125w for 5.0GHz. Damn nice for the little Rocket machine. Most of the bigger 17,3 inches Jokebooks out there with soldered trash would catch fire with that high power consumption

 

Any chance you'd be willing to mod my 16L13 with an 8700K? I can supply the chip and compensation for your time and labor.

 

Reach out to @dsanke as he is the mastermind behind his firmware/bios for the F5 CFL mod. He never asked for any sort of donation but IMO he deserved one and I gave a small donation for his help.

The mod to the chip itself is very easy and takes a few minutes. Some Kapton tape and a jewelers glass to make viewing easier to place the 2 pieces on the 2 pads.

 

It might be easy for you, but 1) I'm an uncoordinated klutz and 2) even if I weren't the days of doing this type of thing are long behind me. Not to mention the fact that the CPU would need to be de-lidded anyway, which I'm even more uncomfortable tackling on my own. It's not a big deal as I'm quite content with where my machine is now anyway.

 

PM me, maybe we live close to each other, I have a RockIt delidd tool, have the tape and would be willing to do it for you no problem. I wouldn't need to be compensated.

 

Ok after just a day and a half of testing the 8700K in the F5 I feel comfortable enough to say it's total success and 100% worth the small effort and cost involved in the upgrade. The performance gain was absolutely insane, and I experienced zero issues while gaming, browsing or daily use of the laptop. While on AC power and benching the 8700K performed near identical to my desktop build which had donated the 8700K for testing purposes. I also tested the laptop only on battery for web browsing and daily use. Gaming wasn't tested, but I've never gamed on battery in my life. These laptops are power hungry beasts, and I simply don't feel comfortable placing that type of load on my Lithium Ion battery.

My results IMO were nothing short of remarkable for a 15.6" laptop when you consider all of the issues many larger and bulkier laptops have had with their BGA "i9" CPUs. I managed better far temps, and much better performance from a relatively compact chassis and 230w PSU. In fact the laptop didn't throttle at all under these benchmark runs. Now had I placed the laptop under load at 5.0Ghz all cores with something like Realbench or P95 I can almost guarantee you won't be maintaining those clocks without hitting ridiculous temps or thermally throttling down. Gaming would be a different story as most games aren't going to load the CPU to 100% and the single core performance boost would be nice. IMO the sweet spot will be around 4.3-4.7Ghz all cores depending on needs, thermal comforts, and chip quality.

Speaking of chip quality my 8700K is a very cherry example and most certainly led to me getting excellent results from this test. For context my 8700K runs 5.0Ghz all cores at just 1.248v on my desktop. This chip quality allowed me to run 4.3Ghz (all core stock boost) with over a -200mV core offset and stay sub 60C in most everything, even 100% loads on the F5. Yes the chip is also delidded with LM.

Personally if I were to be buying an 8700K today I wouldn't. I would skip that CPU unless it was a binned chip and being sold as such. I would go for the 8086K chip which is a binned chip and almost all run 5.0Ghz all cores at sub 1.3v. Many reviews I've seen place it at my 8700K chip quality level or BETTER.

Unfortunately my 7700K has being reinstalled and the 8700K is back in the desktop FOR NOW. When the 9900K releases which should be very soon according to leaks, I will be swapping back the 8700K and upgrading the desktop. I hope this information helps other Tornado F5 and EVOC 16L-G 1080 owners that might be looking to get an 8th Gen Coffee Lake CPU for their 15.6" beast.

 

PM sent.

 

@Talon a 15.6'' laptop with a desktop core i9 now that would be a supercomputer and probably the fastest 15 inch laptop in the world.
Just hope that intel haven't integrated another detection system.

 

The question isn't whether it will work.
But whether the "EC" or Zener Diodes (I don't know which) will power trip the laptop if an 8086K / 8700K or i9 9900K @ 5 ghz is FULLY LOADED (all cores) at the same time as a 200W GTX 1080 simultaneously.

 

Wtf? 8700K into the Tornado F5??

 

Yes, yes! Let us say in general that z170 is getting modded for 8th gen cpu

 

Great news.. there is some tutorial to follow to make it?
How is the cooling with 8700k?
Will be possible to install on it the 9900k?

 

I am making one for my i5 8600k, I will include my benchmarks just need @dsanke permission to link bios and also @Talon permission to show his benchmark photos for the i7 8700k he put in, I will credit both users.

This will give users a rough idea of how to upgrade to coffee lake and which processor will be best for which situation, i.e. for gaming the i5 is more than enough, for raw power and rendering the i7 is the best bet.

 

Sounds like @DaMafiaGamer is working on a tutorial soon.

Cooling is adequate to good depending on your needs for clockspeed and desire to run fans. For me with my F5 I always max fans button when gaming or doing anything intensive. It's a 15.6" laptop with a desktop chip, I don't want those VRMs overheating and eventually failing. They already don't have any passive cooling attached and the active cooling from the air movement is 100% necessary to prolong the mainboards life.

From my tests thus far with both the 1070 F5 and 8700k and the 1080 Evoc with 8086K (both delidded with LM) I am getting great results. I have seen 5.0Ghz bench runs to be easily achieveable with good temps, and a daily driver temp of around 4.3-4.5Ghz to be staisfactory. I am using Realbench Stress Tests for 30 min intervals, CPU undervolted to stability, and max fans.

8086K @ 4.3Ghz all cores 100% showed max temps of 72,72,74,72,74,72

8086K @ 4.4Ghz all cores 100% showed max temps of 80,79,81,80,79,81

8086K @ 4.5Ghz all cores 100% showed max temps of 82,81,83,84,82,81


I feel the sweet spot for the chip will be 4.4Ghz all cores under a fairly unrealistic loading of 100% for a sustained period of time. While others may have other uses, I think this is an adquate amount of CPU stress to meet most users needs. In addition it gives us an idea into high fps gaming with higher CPU loads and shared cooling capability with the GTX 1070 and 1080.

 

Holy Moly this laptop is the PERFECT purchase of my life!!!!

2016= 6700K
2017= 7700K
2018= 8700K (FOOK YEAH!!)
2019= Possibilities are endless....

I want to say, thank you guys for making the 8700K work in the F5.
I’m willing to donate/pay to see my laptop run the beastly 8700K for video editing, graphics & gaming as it is my main machine.

 

Wait for 9700K and 9900K.

 

Yeah

@Huniken
I would wait for the new processors to come out, preferably the 9900k though because it has the hyperthreading enabled.

 

I can wait “*dance*”

 

It's always a hard run with internal displays... First of all, have you inspected the MB for any defects (maybe something tiny missing there)? Have you tested the panel on another laptop? (it may be functional, though the self turn off after starting it could be also broken the panel EEPROM)

 

I am waiting for another gtx 1070 I bought a while ago, when that comes I will test it instantly in the laptop. If it still black screens I either get a partial refund so I can buy a new motherboard. As I need a small form factor laptop for university.

Otherwise I return the whole thing, get my money back and buy a BGA crapbook, most likely a 5th gen i7 - 5557u 3.1GHz macbook pro 13 as that will last me sometime and I'm getting it for £300 only so its a good deal.

I have thoroughly inspected the laptop for defects, the screen works fine on a 40 pin edp cable on clevo p870dm-g. The screen doesn't work at all on the msi, doesn't have back light etc, tried many vbioses, maybe the card is causing it, most likely I think the seller scammed me and sent me a faulty product even though he doesn't want to admit it.

 

Coffee lake thread will be up in 30 minutes!

 

Could be so... though I have a MSI GT60 which had a similar issue that the card would not work, and tortured that card for nothing, all it was a small capacitor which was on the place but it was fractured only when I measured it I realized it was loosely, and it was not visible even under microscope.
This capacitor was on the first pair (on X2 ) of PCI-e lanes, so, the card was not showing up, after replacing it all went perfectly...

Sad that all the machine has to go back.

 

Took slightly longer lol but here it is: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...de-guide-msi-16l13-eurocom-tornado-f5.821651/

 

Just a small heads-up because I did not find anything useful on this topic:
My BIOS exposes the "PCH-FW Configuration" option, which provides some options belonging to the Intel Management Engine (ME for short).
One of those options is "ME State", which can be set to "Enabled" and "Disabled" (who would have guessed ;-) ) - according to the description, using "Disabled" temporarily disables the ME.
I have been on the fence about using this option, because of stories about people ending up with forced shutdowns when disabling the ME via me_cleaner.
(And for some reason, I did not find a lot of useful information regarding this BIOS setting, barely any user has written about it)

Anyways, setting ME State to Disabled seems to disable the ME without adverse effects
Considering all the glaring security flaws inside ME, I am really happy to have an option that kills of at least parts of those vulnerabilities.
I'll update this post if I encounter any ill effects, but so far so good.

//Update: this setting, as pointed out by Falkentyne, can in fact not be re-enabled via the BIOS GUI.
One of the downsides of disabling this is a timeout that seems to occur, i.e. the display does not immediately turn on when pressing the Power button but will take a few seconds.
This had not happened before turning off ME.
But besides that there is no ill effect, i.e. the device still runs smoothly, does not crash, or misbehave.

 

Disabling the ME is bad and it doesn't exactly disable the ME, only the Management engine bios extension (MBEX). You lose BCLK control and sometimes you can't even re-enable the ME again. I tried that and it said "ME is in an error state" and nothing would re-enable it no matter what, not even tools from win-raid forums. I had to have Svet write a custom flasher which forcibly rewrote version a slightly older version and re-enabled it. Never again am I messing with that option.

 

@Falkentyne Hi I see you were experimenting with the EC Bios flash.

I saw you posted the 16l1EC.zip
Is this the original 16l13 (tornado F5) EC bios?

I am asking because my EC chip has gone bad out of thin air. At some point the laptop would not power on at all. The laptop won't even indicate (light) when i plug the charger ...
I found some local guru's that replaced the chip but they explained that it has to be flashed with the correct bios for the laptop in order to work.

However they do not have the correct flash tools for the KB9028Q nor the correct bios.
Can you also show me which is the tool (programmer) that you are using? I suppose i may find it in eBay.

 

I don't have any such tool.. Nor do I know how to get one. Someone gave me the file before, yes that was for the 16L13.
If you have a problem you can contact Svet on MSI official forums. Maybe he can help you.

 

CPU fan just died, this is unfortunate.

Anyone can post the link to that thread with custom fans from another vendor?

What I can use now is just another fan to force push some air movement on CPU heatsink so it cools it a bit rather than stuck at 89c....

Edit: Found it
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/msi-16l13-eurocom-tornado-f5-fan-modifications.810712/

 

Thank you! I got my unlocked bios from him so i will ask him for help with the correct EC bios.

@Huniken When this happened to me i moved the working GPU fan to the CPU and had no problems for almost 2 months.... But only browsing and watching movies... NO GAMING

I switched to the ADDA fans from the guide and had no issues ever since.

 

Somehow the CPU fan is WORKING again!!! I think it might have been a lucky fairy or something......thank god!

I'm still going to buy replacement fan until I can complete the custom fans mod....I want the 8700K but I'm not sure if the @Prema bios in my laptop can be backed up to try and install the custom BIOS for the 8700K that @dsanke made.

 

@dsanke bios is very stable, you won't find any bugs until you really look for them. Only downside with the bios is you can't oc from bios but xtu is good for that anyway. Even hyperthreading has been fixed. Ask him for more info...

 

OC all core ratio is partly fixed too , now they can sync.
And clevo BIOS won't have OC problem.

 

@Falkentyne ... Eurocom sent me the EC ... wow this was fast.

It is the same as the one that someone else gave you earlier
Why did you have to reprogram the EC anyway?