*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

ooo, EVOC's own f5

 

how is that way too much? do you have ANY idea what CPU delidding is? Do you know that when a company delids a CPU, they have to cover the CPU warranty themselves since Intel won't honor a delidded CPU warranty? so they charge extra for both the labor and time involved in CPU delidding AND covering the warranty, not a high price if you can see the value in that and we enthusiasts do. It is great that a company is even willing to go that far to cater to the enthusiasts. and getting a good bin is worth it to avoid getting an over heating CPU and then regretting it

Watch this before you say something is expensive:



These are NOT budget Acer machines, you gotta pay to play!

 

The price is pretty good, Eurocom config shows me 2386USD to get 7600K / GTX 1080 / FHD / Intel 8265 / 330W, which is essentially the same base config that HID is offering. The free delid service is icing on the cake. You also have much more realistic RAM and SSD upgrade pricing, and shipping is covered both ways for any RMA work with HID. If you add the 7700K the price difference is even more, $2573 (Eurocom) vs. $2419 (HID).

 

well here in pakistan u can get a delid service for less thn 500rps from an expert thats around 5$ or less, technical repairing/service is way cheaper here that's why i said, im not sure how much it cost in the west but for me its too much.
and lets be honest paying twice the price of the retail processor is still alot.

 

I see, you guys are lucky such things cost close to nothing over there.

when will you receive your Tornado? I am interested to see your review about it

 

2601$ if you add CLU on the cpu on the Tornado f5. add watch dogs 2 and its a great deal.

 

its here already, the guy who brought it is about 2km from my house. no one can feel the way im feeling man cant believe its here. inSha Allah im getting it as soon as tomorow morning. will post the review once i play with it physical ahaha!.

 

physical??

J/K

 

ahaha my experience with has been all digital using teamviewer and i loved it!

just checked silicon lottery website and they selling 7700k @5.2 for over 700$+, wow. it seems HID are reasonable with the price thn since they doing icu too on the heatsink and cpu.

 

All someone needs to do is spend another $35 on a delid tool and it will make it easy as hell. Tbh, what we are being charged for pre de-lidded processors is a but too much. And then i have doubts about plenty more of the stuff.

 

Hmm Eurocom's setup is $65 cheaper with the student discount. However, I've had better luck with HIDEvolution's support team.

@woodzstack so it's already possible to order these with the 120hz display? Do you just have to ask them? Because neither Eurocom or HID has the 120hz option yet on the F5.

 

where did you see it @ 5.2 GHz bro? the only thing I see on Silicon Lottery's site now are 5.0 Ghz rated

last week they had a 5.1 GHz and now it's gone, maybe HIDevolution bought them all since they get a lot of their CPUs from them

it's best to ask @Donald@HIDevolution

 

the 5.1Ghz on a 7700k is very very common.
5.2ghz is a bit rare sure. But only a bit.

Out of 2 of my 7700k's, one can do 5.3Ghz easy! The other can 5.25Ghz for heavy loads and 5.3Ghz for wPrime ish loads. And these are off the shelf / amazon processors.

The prices we are being charged for these delidded processors are nothing short of ridiculous.

 

that's on a desktop my friend, try that on your laptop and watch your CPU transform into barbecued chicken in 10 mins of AIDA64 Extreme

 

Nope ma man, on the DM1, which is actually a bit inferior to the Dm3.

 

wow, you have won the silicon lottery for free my friend

so why did you buy 2? and why isn't it in your sig?

 

https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all

sold out tho.

edit: they have 5.1 for resonable price.

 

I know. I am emailing him.

Hmm idk about that CPU wise. It seems all of our DM3's have some sort of memory issue, whereas the DM1 didn't seem to have them.

 

And as i said before, the 5.1Ghz isnt all that rare. I bought 1 to slap in a friends desktop that i have been building for her.

Updating the sig doesn't really matter to me, if i really wanted i could replace the whole thing with my desktop specs ( 2 x Xeon 16 Cores )

With a Dm3, the temps will be at least 4-5C lower, specially when only the processor is being stressed, because of the massive heatsink.

Its about finding the right settings, and not maxing the **** out of everything.

But have a look at these :

Spoiler: Not delidded

Spoiler: delidded

Memory seems to be a totally different thing IMO. I haven't yet tested that on the DM1 KBL, but , with the same processor in a DM3 (with a stock BIOS) i could get a higher stable OC for bench-marking. Same thing was crashing on the DM1.

 

Ah yes. Memory is definetely better on DM1.

I agree on the CPU part though. My 6700K can easily do 4.8Ghz on throttlestop and 4.9Ghz validation, all on stock max fans(DM3). Needed extra cooling to go over 4.7Ghz and BIOS overclocking to get 4.8/4.9 on the DM1

 

Msi tested several hundreds 7700K for their machines. All could do 52x. This isn't spectacular with Kaby.

 

Someone get 6ghz I'll be impressed


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Exactly! And the premiums being charged for 5.2Ghz binned processors are just outrageous.

 

I think 5.3Ghz+ is what I would consider a good bin.

5.1Ghz like mentioned should be the "4.6Ghz" on the 6700Ks
5.2Ghz should be like the "4.8Ghz" on 6700K
5.3Ghz should be like the "5.0Ghz" on 6700K

I wouldn't spend any extra unless it can do 5.3Ghz or +

 

where did msi say this?

 

[email protected] ~ [email protected]

See one of my last post in the OC thread. With fixed cooling in P870 aka delidded/liquid metal + quality heatsink and correct settings shouldn't 52x on Kaby be a very big problem to reach.

 

Would a delidded 7700K run any cooler than a delidded 6700K, in the Tornado F5?

I finally have my delid tool, Intel 8260 Wifi cards (they were backordered), so I could either delid the 6700K, or go buy a 7700K from Micro Center for $355 and delid that instead. Also, does delidding change the resale value of a used chip? I guess it voids the warranty, but it may be attractive for someone who doesn't have a delid tool themselves.

 

Don't expect lower temp from 7700K. If your delided chips do it well, expect it's attractive in re-sale

 

No sir, the 7700Ks run hotter although as you may know, they have a faster core ratio speed from the factory

delidding yourself will void your CPU warranty but I don't think if you're selling it to someone who appreciates the benfits of delidding would care. When you have the reseller de-lid a CPU for you however like HIDevolution, they would cover the warranty from their own pockets.

Also from my experience with the 7700K that I recently bought, it isn't as easy to tame the temps by simple undervolting. The Skylake CPUs could take a a bigger undervolt anywhere from -150mV to -40MV depending on what core raitos you want to set whereas with the Kaby Lake, you have much less room for undervolting, you get the draw of the luck, it either runs well or doesn't

 

Thanks for the insight. I think I will just delid the 6700K for now, then see how well it works. My friend is buying a new 7700K setup in a month or two (he specifically wants an EVGA Z270 board and is waiting on them), so I may get a weekend to try out his 7700K in my Tornado F5.

 

Either I'm just worrying too much or I got duped by svet. I sent the donation, did all the required stuff and he hasn't replied to my last email which was 5 hours ago. Maybe it's the different time zones if he's in another one. He also did say that it would take 5-6 hours but I'm getting a bit worried now. Rage set, how long did it take for him to do your bios?


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What are you guys talking about, there are massive drops in temps after delidding the 7700k. One persons bad experience doesn't over rule multiple other ones that have been posted in the Clevo OC thread.

Obviously 5Ghz + will be impossible for daily use. But 4.8Ghz is definitely easily possible. Maybe even 4.9Ghz depending on the type of use and ambient temperatures. This was impossible with the 6700k.

But 5.1/5.2Ghz are easily benchable over air using only a U3, even more if you take the bottom cover off.

Heck on a desktop the temp gains under water , will let you run 5.2Ghz as 24/7 clocks.


ALSO SETTINGS MATTER A LOT!!!!!!! DONT EXPECT NORMAL TEMPS BY JUST DIALING THE MAX POWER SETTINGS IN!!!
NEXT IS THE HEAT SINK AND THE CONTACT IT IS MAKING WITH THE PROCESSOR IHS.

In terms of performance? Clock for clock is pretty much the same. Just that higher clocks are much easier now.

There is a lot of mis-information out there that has people confused. And people are jumping to conclusions way too quickly.

5.2Ghz is pretty common, but anything 5.3Ghz or over and it starts to get rare/system dependent.

 

Wasn't this at 1.5V with water?

Chill. He's somewhere in Eastern Europe. Svet is a trustworthy guy.

 

No worries @birdyhands Svet is a super good guy. No worries he will get back to you when he wakes or has your BIOS ready. Even after my flash he provided me with continued feedback and support. He really goes the extra mile when it comes to BIOS support.

@Mr. Fox can you please hurry up and get your F5 already. We're all very excited for your initial impressions and feedback on BIOS support.

 

I just checked, now it has the pics sweet looking taptop

 

Maybe you miss understood.
I was not talking about lower or higher temps after delidding the 7700K. I said that you can't expect lower temp for 7700K vs. previous 6700K.
7700K is clocked higher stock, hence don't expect lower temp vs. a lower clocked stock 6700K Lower voltage for Kaby compensate for the higher clock speed stock. You meet the ceiling with 6700K, but not with 7700K who can clock higher. And higher overclock for 7700K will make higher temp in the end

As stated "A couple interesting things within at the UEFI the CPU voltage was automatically configured to run at 1.507V" I pointed only that several hundreds chips MSI tested managed 5.2GHz. Some will need more, others less Vcore. Put it this way, it means that 5.2GHz is within reach for a quite a numbers of Kaby lake

 

Yes, it is really sweet looking. Glad to see our friends at HIDevolution are selling the Tornado F5 now. That's great. I am confident it will be a high demand product for them, as the P870DM3 has been.

You probably can. Most of us wouldn't want it with a lesser CPU or GPU than 6700K/7700K and 1080. Eurocom sells it with lesser specs, so I am sure HIDevolution would as well if you contacted them and asked about it. The thing that makes it awesome is that it is not a BGA turd and you can actually configure it your way.

Yeah, there is a lot of misinformation. My 7700K runs fine at 5.0GHz using stock voltage. And, my impression of temps was skewed by the bad heat sink fit. Since I added the shim temps have been amazingly low... better than it was with 6700K. I'm actually shocked at how good the temps are and will probably just leave the shim in there and not even try to "fix" anything now, LOL.

It is supposed to be delivered by FedEx tomorrow. I'm excited as well and glad all of you are.

 

Actually you can, that is the reason why we are able to run 4.8Ghz + for 24/7 use. If the temps were the same, then that would not have been possible.

 

I understand your logic. But is your opinion that 7700K run with lower temperature (stock clock speed) than the lower clocked stock 6700K? We talk about stock clock speed - This means that your 7700K run at lower maximum temperature with 4.4 all cores in bench than 6700K with the lower 4.0 on all cores. I know you can run 24/7 with +three bin higher clock on Kaby.

 

I didnt quite test stock clock speeds tbh. But from what i saw early on it definitely was not as hot as my 6700k running at 4.6Ghz. Even at 4.6Ghz the 7700k was running much cooler than the 6700k under heavy loads.

 

I understand all this bro. But we're talking about max temp on 6700K running at 40x all cores in bench vs. Kaby lake at higher 44x. Kaby lake manage the task with less voltage but has a higher clock speed. I would say that they come quite similar in max temp when they both run stock clock - not same multi. At higher clock speed has Kaby lake an great advantage of course because of lower voltage aka better binned. Hope you understand what I meant

 

For me the 7700k runs cooler. When I tested the 6700k in this laptop, it only got -.065v undervolt at 4.4, this 7700k runs at 4.4 with a -.135v undervolt.

 

It's cooler because of the extra undervolt the new CPU allows, but it's likely there will be other examples of the 7700K that won't allow as much of undervolt, so in that specific case it won't run cooler.

It does seem so close as to be the same thermal characteristics at the same user tuneable settings.

@yotano it would have helped to have set the undervolt to the same value with both CPU's at the same clock settings to see how close they are apart in thermal output

 

It would be great to have the older 6700k to the same undervolt but it would not pass -.065v at 4.4, anything under that and it would freeze within minutes. Even at -.065 it was about 90% stable, at .060-.050 to was 100% stable. And I already sold it for a small profit and went back to the 6700 it came with.

This 7700k I have know can go much lower at 4.4 on undervolt. I am still trying to push it lower on the voltage. I think it might be stable at -.140. It was just installed yesterday so I dont fully know yet.

 

Keep in mind every CPU has their own VID so it may vary from chip to chip, also note especially when looking for stability. If you're looking for stability that there is also C-State and C1E settings where if you go into idle mode it uses less voltage at around 800MHz idle so there is the stress test at full load and then theres also testing of low voltage/low frequency... that is if you don't run the CPU at static frequency/high performance mode. So while it may pass hours of stress testing, it can still BSOD on idle.

 

Yup, that's usually the last undervolt tuning change needed, decrease 5mV when you BSOD at idle

 

Sure, contact [email protected] and say I sent you, and ask them to switch the panel for you directly. Tell them the Panel is not on thier configurator option on the live version of the page anymore/yet. Worst case, if you have issues, I can sell you one and install it for you, cost+ a bit for my time, as some third party service.
I am relatively sure if you send out an email to Eurocom, and follow up until the respond to you, you should be okay.

@ssj92 And if your in for other vendors services, they are quick to offer thier service.

If unsure, you can always contact me directly via Convo on these forums and I can help you choose whats best for you, if your stuck in some sort of decision.

How much are people charging for them ? I offered it to many people as a hobby interest, 3rd party service for $45CAD (like $30USD), it takes time to open a laptop up, clean all the internals and heatsink, then carefully not screw up the CPU and delid it, clean it, polish it, apply $25+ of LM and then semi glu the IHS back on after cleaning it, and apply Gelid Extreme or LM to the IHS too and reassemble. Considering it takes like more value in hours if you paid me minimum wage AND more in cost of thermal pastes then I charge, I think $45CAD is AT COST if not less.

If I was just delidding testing and selling the CPU... well, I would offer the CPU's at cost or near next to it. The delidding is a worthy sales argument for some people but voids any INTEL warranty you have. if someone sent me thier CPU to simply remove the IHS carefully, ****, I'd charge them postage back and delid it for free, they can apply thier own paste and such. If tons of people started sending me thier CPU's okay - I might charge like 5$ so not everyone does it, would become a liability lol.

But Silicon Valley is a gimmick, but last I checked they said they have not sold to any major vendors, like HIDevolution or Eurocom, Sager, MSI whomever... or any real big vendor snake oil sales man etc.. so if these companies say they get thier CPU's from Silicon Valley, they're blowing smoke up your arse and lying. It also wouldn't make sense, they guys get trays of CPU's and have 10x the stock Silicon valley has to draw a potential winner from, and if they had to it would cost much less to test 20 CPU's then pay an extra 150$ for one because someone says it's 100Mhz more then usual at certain settings.


Anyways, if anyone wants thier CPU delid, just create a thread in the appropriate area of the forum, theres bound to be help and people who would offer to do it for free, or as some friendly enthusiasts service. I would name people who i know have the tools like I do, who I think would help you, but I feel I would be dumping some of you ontop them without getting thier permission first lol, so just ask around !

I think I need a new system bios to hit that properly, but yeah i would agree that it should be very possible. We're seeing 70-75C at speeds between 4.5Ghz to 5.0Ghz... that leaves like 20C+ for 200Mhz of headroom, and from stock voltage.

for sure 5.3Ghz is relatively possible on any random binned 7700K. That is like hitting 5.0Ghz on a 6700K (which is, relatively fairly simple to hit)

I was literally thinking along those exact terms... I should save all my replies for one message.. I'm really so bad, so sorry people..

****, screw that, I would switch a 6700K with you for the difference, unless you have some reason to keep a 6700K as well. Should have said something if you wanted 7700K instead of 6700K. I had the 7700K for weeks before initial release ! You can even delid it yourself !

Can't believe this is a thing... my thoughts on this, is it will eventually encourage someone buying tons of CPU's and selling all the "not great ones" as new undelidded and just fix the glue so it is as if it never came off. meaning, if you buy a non-retail version, and it's in an opened package or "tray" CPU, you might be buying what you would think has a chance to be great potential, but was already tested. Not you specifically Paps, I think you would be overly cautious where you get your CPU's cause if anyone cares about thier CPU, I mean, it's you...you appear quite crazy that way, hahah

No way SVET duped you. He probably asked you to be on Skype or to wait for his response there, he would send you messages on the MSI forum too, when done, that's how he does it for everyone I've talked too.
Give it a day, maybe even 2, I bet he has more then enough people bothering him lately for us mentioning him here on the forums, in which case I should have asked before I did that, or I should have just linked a post or something on MSI forums instead.
Anyways - he's cool, and can be trusted, and really knows his stuff, if he doesn't know, he will be first to tell you too, so like - he is not some pretender, or gonna steal your "donation" and run off lol.

 

Today I will receive my Tornado F5 ( 7700K and GTX 1080 )
Very fast shipping from Canada to Spain ( Shipped friday )

 

You guys were right, I was just being paranoid. It turns out that he didn't get one of my emails and said he was still waiting for my confirmation on something when I checked this morning. He's a good guy and knows what he's doing. My bad about earlier


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My tornado has arrived , but is imposible install VGA Drivers , i try it with official in web of Eurocom , and NVIDIA site



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