*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

Sorry for my question, but since Eurocom does not answer me ...
There is no problem in requesting the full refund true?

 

@Eurocom Support - why are you ignoring @istojanovic 's request for a refund? Can you please help him? Thank you.

 

Thanks @hmscott

I think that they are very busy...

 

we might be panel geniuses by the time we understand this stuff....lol

why you want a refund ? Maybe I can help you get in contact with them, and work things out.

they're only open in 3.5 hours from now.

Call the front desk, and speak to Gary. Tell him your concern. Call back if you don't get a response if you have to. Very nice guy, I'm sure he will help you resolve your issues, especially in the face of grief and wishing a refund - they would be inclined to at the least hear you out.

 

Once you get their attention, you might ask for a delidding and repaste - free since you paid extra for LM application with the original order. As that should solve your thermal woes.

@Eurocom Support - rather than lose a good customer and this sale, maybe offer to pay shipping both ways as well? And, LM seems tricky to apply just right to get full range thermal response under load, so I'd add another QA step to benchmark before and after re-pasting to get an idea if it worked or not. It's tough to get non-throttling CPU temps without delidding with Kabylake - good luck.

 

Thanks bro
Yes, definitively the system does not finish meeting my expectations.

 

I think he choose a LM service, but it doesn't include delid.
Also, we all know you need the fans on maximum to keep temps low unless you get a delid...7700K are hardasses like that...

Also, the 7700K runs typically fine at 100C for some odd reason. So anyone getting 80-85C when just playing a game etc.. your good.
But use the customised fan controls to set your speeds at certain temps on automatic. Default fan profile is on SILENT or if you hit the button it's an override for 150% speeds.

Hope that helps.

 

Thanks for the insight about the i7-7700 non-"K". That does have a lower TDP and would seem appropriate if no modification is intended. It's also a bit less expensive.

Also good insight, thanks.

I would love to modify our review unit, but even if I could, I'd leave that experience out of the review. Mentioning we modified the product to make it work better would make the product look worse with no real benefit to the average reader. I'd sooner state the product works fine as-is, even though it runs a little warm. The latter accurately sums up my experience so far. The Tornado F5 provides an excellent gaming experience out of the box.
I may see what I can work into the review about the de-lidding/thermal repasting/undervolting, so that the enthusiast reader can pursue those ideas.

Charles

 

This is honestly what I would recommend and am happy you are going to try to work that in. Most people who buy this are an enthusiast, so to know what is possible in a review instead of reading through 300 pages of a forum is nice to have.

 

For those that are crashing while gaming, I played a good hour of the Witcher 3 with autofans and I had no problems whatsoever. The reports I've read here about the temps are crazy. My advice is if you do not live in an area with cool ambient temps, you should buy from a place that offers a delid/LM service.

 

I'm looking to buy one of these chassis' have want a better screen than 60hz are there any 120hz screens or even 100?

I can't go back to 60!

 

There is an option for a 120hz panel if you are willing to buy and install it yourself. At this time, you will also lose G-Sync support. @Talon has installed his own and he loves it.

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 120Hz with screen tearing.

I'm not sure but thanks for the response fella.

 

Lmafo, you do know with the 7700K/1080 setup, you won't get screen tearing with the 120hz panel...right? Plus it has been reported in this thread that Eurocom is working to get that panel whitelisted to work with G-Sync.

 

Well my setup is going to be 6700, 1070 so 120hz should be fine but going back to V sync worries me.

G-Sync is just so much better.

 

Tearing is minimal when you're getting 120fps on a 120Hz panel. I have had G-sync on this laptop, and have it on my desktop. It's honestly not that missed when you're getting 120hz/fps. If you play a lot of FPS games, the 120Hz screen is the way to go. Eurocom is currently working on getting the screen added to the BIOS so G-sync functions.

 

fans were just that, on AUTO - they are on SILENT by default unless you install the fans controller and use it and set to AUTO.

Hey Snodge ! How's it going. You want a barebones ? I have 2, that I'm not sure what to do with. If you have questions about how they come, feel free to ask.

Let me take the liberty to mention there is a 120Hz panel out there, I've upgraded 6 of these it with, and Eurocom has faithfully said the plan is to add this specific model panel to the white list in the bios and add the brightness controls too.

The Panel is new and just came out 20th of January. I know one of the refreshes was 2ms on the 120Hz panel and I think the other was 5ms. Horizontal vs vetical or whatever.

Love G-Sync - however, this laptop is so powerful, your better off with 120hz then G-Sync if you had to choose between a feature. I think we can safely get BF1 on ULTRA to do 60FPS with turning a single thing down...or two... like it's overkill. So ideally set it up for 120FPS.

Now that being said, it is my opinion this laptop makes GeForce Experience even more of a useless app. because it will finely tune your laptop to do 1080p but not as customised as you would want/need it for this laptop.

 

Pm'd you regarding the 2 barebones you have matey

Thanks for the advise on the screen i'm definitely pining for the 120hz I believe.

 

G-Sync is more of a selling point for lower-end computers that have trouble maintaining a constant 60 fps; it does make the game look more consistent if you drop under 60fps. If your hardware can do 60 fps-plus consistently, the benefits of G-Sync are less noticeable (to my eyes, anyway). You shouldn't have to compromise much on in-game settings with a GTX 1070/1080 to get 120 fps @ 1080p in most games. (The old-skool gaming mentality won't tolerate anything but constant fps, anyway.)

So either compromise and get something now, or wait for a 120Hz G-Sync panel.

Charles

 

Wise words Yoda

I'll probably get the 120hz panel now and if the g sync parts comes just upgrade

 

Question for those with high temps. How are you using the machine? On your lap? On a table? The vents on the bottom panel aren't the best. I'm trying to secure a second bottom panel so I can make some hard mods on it for when I'm OC'ing.

 

We have the 120hz screen for you. It has what it needs for G-Sync, just nees to be added to the bios whitelist as they termed it.

 

...with the advantage that, as you gain experience, and perhaps move from "user wanting OOTB" to "enthusiast learning to customize", you have a machine that grows with you, instead of one you outgrow.

I have very little patience with people who buy a desktop-replacement class laptop, whose spec clearly says it comes with a 230W or 330W power supply, and then are shocked when that laptop emits heat.

If you put 200W into a laptop, which is about what a GTX 1070 draws, or a 1080 at medium load, you have the equivalent of two 100W incandescent bulbs inside the machine. That energy must exit the machine somehow. Heat emission, conduction, and convection to ambient are the only ways that can happen. If you do not use fans to transfer the heat into ambient air, then the enclosure and everything in it will increase in temperature until radiated and conducted energy balances energy input from the power supply.

This is all basic high school physics. Robert Heinlein said it well: TANSTAAFL. There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

If you want your keyboard and the bottom of the machine to stay comfortable to touch when it's under load, then you have to cool the machine with fans, and moving air makes noise.

There are fanless, silent systems. I've built several of them myself, to use as firewalls and file servers in my home office. They work great for their intended purpose, but you don't want to play Fallout 4 on them. TANSTAAFL.

( @woodzstack, I'm ranting at the people you are talking about...not at you.)

 

Thank you sir!

 

I've read online that this panel is "decent" at color accuracy from the factory, but much better once it's calibrated. I don't have a colorimeter here, so I'm having HIDevolution calibrate mine at the factory. Eventually I'll get around to buying a colorimeter myself.

I routinely run Linux with XFCE4 desktop at 2880x1800, in a full-screen virtual machine on my Macbook Pro Retina. It works wonderfully, perhaps even better than Windows does. I've tested it briefly at 4K on a Razer Blade Pro 2016 (the machine I had to RMA), and it was just fine there also.

 

One of the best parts about this laptop(IMO),besides the obvious , is it seems the connector on the board can support 30 or 40 pin eDP. We may need a separate cable but it is really nice to have the option as 40 pin QHD 120Hz panel become more popular. The laptop should be even more futureproof!

 

Don't think there's a QHD 120hz for 15.6" yet anyways so that will probably be a ways out.. Best we can get is the 120hz 1080p TN-WVA offered already by AUO.

 

Yup I own the 120Hz panel. But at CES there were a couple unspecified branded 120hz QHD panels all the way down to 14inch. It was in the engineering section not open to public . The version of connection was not specified but they did state HBR3 so I am assuming it was eDP

 

On the topic of the 120Hz display, in its current state as I stated earlier g-sync and brightness controls are not working YET. These are supposed to be fully functional when the hwid is added to the BIOS. This should enable both and also add that great g-sync feature that is great for those fps drops.

In the meantime thanks to @birdyhands for reminding me I use Flux at night to lower the blue light and make the screen excellent at night by reducing eye strain.

Additionally I added a color profile for the screen that was created by notebookcheck.com

The color profile warms the screen up a bit, seems to reduce gamma and makes colors and blacks richer looking.

http://www.notebookcheck.com/uploads/tx_nbc2/P507_01.icm

 

Future-resistant, maybe, but not future- proof. "Any technology you have heard of is already obsolete."

That being said, I'm glad to hear there's a standard panel connection. Being able to upgrade someday to an IGZO or other technology, or even just the ability to alternate source a replacement part, is a good feature.

 

Call me blind but I never noticed any difference with the color profiles from notebook check. I doubt they are real profiles

 

Like your screen doesn't change? I can assure you it's a real profile and does change my colors and warmth of the screen. It's a very easy click on click off change. Maybe you're not applying a color profile correctly.

 

Every panel has different deltas so take using other profiles with a grain of salt (i'm sure you know this already though).

A calibrated profile for someone elses panel would be pretty off on another panel ,but it more than likely would get a different panel better than it was out of the box.

 

yes man, I know how to set it and make the profile actually work, any other profile I choose works and I can immediately see the difference, with their profiles, I've tried it on more than 4 laptops before, it doesn't change a thing

See the color profiles I made before and the guide within them of how I am applying the color profile:

AUO B173QTN01.0 Spyder5Pro Calibration Profile

LG LP173WF4-SPF1 Spyder5Pro Calibration Profile


ASUS PG278Q Calibration Profile using Spyder5Pro

 

Sorry for the late reply, just woke up last hour.

In line is the orginal 6700 that came with the F5, I bought the 6700k really cheap from someone, and the last one is the 7700k that will be going into my F5 later tonight.

The 6700k and 7700k are delidded, the 6700 is not.

Hey Charles, thanks for all of the reviews over the years. Helped me beyond words.

Is it possible to do 2 reviews, one with non-thing modified, full stock. And one modified, you know, delidded, lover voltage blah blah

 

I thought I had quotes on my "future proof" oops.

 

Currently on the fence on a few different laptops and I was wondering if anyone with the EVOC (de-lidded) model could talk about temps and noise out of the box. I just want to know if the keyboard gets pretty hot or uncomfortable at all. Also, is coil whine a problem at all laptops? Thanks!

 

I understand that, but if you don't have a color calibration tool it is probably still better than nothing.

@Phoenix sounds like bad luck. Just because yours didn't make a difference on your screen doesn't mean it didn't work great for me. After applying the icm my screen immediately changed for the better.

 

@eu

Im very angry , NOTHING is responding me ( Kevin and Eurocom Support ) for my refund.
Now , VGA is failing...

 

See @kosti's bottom tray mod http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/another-coolermaster-u3-bottom-tray-mod.789298/

 

Now this is some bad luck.

 

You need to call them for any respond.

To get the newer bios for the 7700k support, it took them 3 days to respond back to me.

 

@Donald@HIDevolution

I am considering this vs the Eurocom with 1070 due to 4K support.

Would you suggest this unit for someone like myself that values keeping fan noise under control during gaming over performance? I was considering that I might actually be able to underclock to keep temps down with the ability to go back to stock clocks during the rare times that I would want to let it run free. The delid seems like it would greatly improve cooling performance but the unit has the highest wattage components possible. I would underclock to 6700T performance (bet I would never be able to tell gaming) and 1070 performance if it kept the unit quiet during gaming.

The professional delid and TIM application service as well as how highly you guys are regarded is attractive. As is the warranty, so i'd consider it if it would work out from a noise perspective.

Thanks in advance for the feedback.

Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P

 

you can certainly underclock and better yet, with a CPU delidded by HIDevolution and undervolted, you may not need to underclock but simply undervolt and set the Windows performance plan to Balanced which keeps the CPU clocks low until something demanding wants more power, then the CPU will clock to max speed as it's designed to.

If I were in your shoes, I'd get it with the 4K screen if that suits you better along with the Silicon Lottery delidded / undervolted CPU and leave the rest to them to stress test and ensure you get a great working laptop out of the box.

See:

HIDevolution - The Best Company I ever dealt with

HIDevolution's Warranty!

 

I would be happy to help.

Please either email or call (email and US or International phone numbers are in my signature below). It really isn't proper to conduct personal business in the open forum. I will be here until 9 PM NYC time
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Thanks to the suggestion of @Talon and others, we now offer the 15.6" Full HD (1920x1080) 120Hz AUO AHVA (B156HTN05.2) Matte Type Display w/ 30 Day No Brite Dot Guarantee
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Damn you Donald, lol. The more options you make available for your version, the worse I feel for not waiting to get my unit from you guys.

This is some scary stuff and now I'm thinking about selling my Tornado F5 and going with one from HIDevolution. I know if I have a problem, it won't take several days to get a hold of someone.....

 

Yes, I've read about your history with Eurocom and I have experienced some of my own issues with them that I have since let go. However, I do not like the fact that one of their customers are having issues with their purchase and they aren't responding. I have to make a decision. Sell it and go with HIDevolution or keep my machine and hope for the best.

 

This is what I wanted to hear! Just ordered after much debate these past few days.

 

how long is your return Window?

you might wanna try contacting them if you're having any issue and see how fast they respond

who'd you order it from? what specs?

 

A return will result in a 15% restocking fee and I really don't feel like fighting with them over it. What I really can't get over is for less than what I paid Eurocom, a delidded/LM 7700K is included in HIDevolution's version. To be fair, my unit has been rock solid thus far and I have no issues with the machine itself (so far).